Godin is right. If they weren't working like they are now. Tanking would be dead, I wouldn't be doing it and you'd never see tanks on the field, and you would have created CoD in space, not an attack at you personally. Tanking is barely viable now, let alone with Reppers that doing keep you repped.... I mean reppers also barely work now tbh.

Im sorry i have no reason to lie:

i use ADV Swarms with prof 4 and 2 Cx Damage mods.
Im not lying. I even have the name of the tanker written around, he played for Dark Legion.

-Shot 1 volley of Swarms to scare him,
-As he got into the ''city'' are for cover (ambush i planed) he ate the 4 STD Prox mines while i reloaded.
-He decided to stop there and shoot at me, i responded with 3 STD ADV packed AV nades, 2 hit; 1 missed
-He decided he was low on HP and started moving (Exceedingly fast if i may..)
-I , while he was repairing armor shot him 3 more volleys
-He obviously outran me while i reloaded again and turned around in a corner where the ''fantastic'' feature tankers love about swarms kicked in and the next two volleys made a 90 degree turn avoiding walls and i got hit markers again.

He survived and fled.
A vein in my head popped.

Not saying Swarms are not VERY strong , just saying its funny tankers all they do is bash on AV weaponry but they wouldnt bat an eye if Armor repairers stay as they are. THIS IS BIASED; and not in the true nature of looking for BALANCE

Okay, so ~21k damage. Still not buying it.

Well if a tank takes that kind of punishment i think is FAIR for him to die, considering he killed me 6 times in a row with only 2 shots hit....

-6 swarms (AV missiles designed to be EFFECTIVE VS VEHICLES)
-2 PACKED grenades
-4 Prox Mines

I mean what do tankers think is fair as for punishment their vehicles can take?

its called hardeners and reps.... and your swarm skill not being high enough. it normally takes about 3 volleys for someone to take down an average tanker if hes alone, it only takes one volley if there are multiple swarmers present...

teamwork and skill level are how your meant to kill us, not solo tactics with militia gear

Im sorry i have no reason to lie:

i use ADV Swarms with prof 4 and 2 Cx Damage mods.
Im not lying. I even have the name of the tanker written around, he played for Dark Legion.

-Shot 1 volley of Swarms to scare him,
-As he got into the ''city'' are for cover (ambush i planed) he ate the 4 STD Prox mines while i reloaded.
-He decided to stop there and shoot at me, i responded with 3 STD ADV packed AV nades, 2 hit; 1 missed
-He decided he was low on HP and started moving (Exceedingly fast if i may..)
-I , while he was repairing armor shot him 3 more volleys
-He obviously outran me while i reloaded again and turned around in a corner where the ''fantastic'' feature tankers love about swarms kicked in and the next two volleys made a 90 degree turn avoiding walls and i got hit markers again.

He survived and fled.
A vein in my head popped.

Not saying Swarms are not VERY strong , just saying its funny tankers all they do is bash on AV weaponry but they wouldnt bat an eye if Armor repairers stay as they are. THIS IS BIASED; and not in the true nature of looking for BALANCE

Super powerful armour reppers are all that's keeping tankers in business, saving those canny shield tankers I hate so much.

Not being high enough? I have Prof 4 and 2 CX damage mods.
I dont use MLT gear and you know it.

yeah, I know you don't use it, im just using that as an example for most of the people that come to the forums complaining about not being able to solo us with militia gear. sorry if that offended you in any way.... but you are in the wrong if you want us to submit to being soloed by anyone.


''teamwork and skill level are how your meant to kill us''
But for tankers to run solo is fair right?....

well... considering that it takes over 10x more SP and ISK for us to deploy tanks on the field than you need for fitting your dropsuits... yeah I do believe we earn the privilege of being able to survive alone (notice for once you idiot that im saying survive and not dominate you blind bastard)... that being said, the investment we make towards HAVs is far grater than your investment into infantry stuff along with how hard it is to stay alive at all during any given moment when we are piloting gives you the idea that this class should have the survival advantage over any other class that tries to go solo.


Heh i know where this is going.

AHA.so THEY ARE in business...
They dont get 1 shotted as (not you adamance) some tankers claim by AV.

Case rest.
Im off for a cig ...

AHA.so THEY ARE in business...
They dont get 1 shotted as (not you adamance) some tankers claim by AV.

Case rest.

''I'd love to have you in my tank checkmate, but you wouldn't want to spend all of your time sitting as a gunner, that's not interesting gameplay for you is it?''

I would , but dont think im going to think they are UP unless we get 1 HKOd by AV XD

idc about tanks :D There I said it :P

actually, I only get one shotted by one specific AV weapon... the assault forge gun.... such massive amount of damage in so little time.... it out does even my proto rail gun in both speed and damage..... id say that needs reworking..

the second thing that kills me the fastest is the lol nades, 3 of them takes down all 7000HP of armor that I have in under 5 seconds, from soloists and groups... if anything, the AV nades are the top AV weapon that needs to be nerfed, changed or just plain removed...

Removed since they don't make sense in game lore wise.

Armor tanks have had it so easy!!! Since I made the switch to a blaster mady, over the coarse of two weeks, while playing frequently I've lost one or two tanks to av players. Have yet to lose to a shield tank. Its actually crazy how much more powerful they are. There is honestly not a single reason why you should choose shield over armor, atm. more health more speed, better aiming angles, ******** reps, long lasting hardeners. I can fit a shield rep and scanner. all that with a proto gun and proto small blaster for my gunner. its easy mode for vehicles.

1-it would be awesome if more people skilled into tanks, I would have tons more fun battling other tankers than I do now because of you AVers getting in the way of trying to have fun here.. I say let more people skill into tanks, should revive the game for more aged tankers like myself.


2-in my truly honest opinion about all the classes in the game, the more of a personal investment you make in a certain class SP wise should grant you the right and privilege to outperform all other players in other classes and your own that have not put as much personal investment in their own classes as you have done for yours...

3-ex: a 17 Mil total SP tanker (myself) should definitely out perform a single av guy with less than 5 mil SP in AV mainly because... well I put much more time and investment into tanks than hes done for AV...

3-ex 2: a 6 mil SP sniper should out perform a 2 mil SP AR mainly because the sniper put more time and investment into sniping than the AR user did for his own class.

get it yet?

4-in all of human history including new eden, personal investment and time put in have always come out on top and out performed everyone and everything that has not done the same ore similar.... those that do are called competitors and the human life span drives off this basic survival instinct, to out perform the competitors and everyone else in order to survive.

1-Again beinga little selfish here aint ya' .What about us Infantry trying to have fun vs other infantry instead of having to worry about tanks? Biased thought is biased.

aren't you being a bit selfish by wanting tankers to be on the same level as dropsuits? I mean come on... tanks are 50 ton vehicles more than twice the size of infantry, if I don't have fun in the class I wanted to play as, why does that class even exist? plus... if you want an infantry only game, there is call of duty, if CCP didn't want vehicles to be deployed in matches, they wouldv never put them in the game.


2-So basically,if i run proto gear i shoudlnt be able to get killed by MLT/STD gear at all.By your reasoning..hmm..Proto suits / weapons / gear might be UNDERPOWERED then...

I don't mainly play as infantry but I have several million SP I put into gallente assault, so yeah Id say that stats are wrong on the basics, the weapons, the dropsits... almost everything in this game needs to be reworked imo.

3-I get it. But what you are saying is RPG / MMORP thought. This is a FPS,balance means that with skill, you can take out another player REGARDLESS of time invested in the game. If gear/time invested is always going to tryumph over skill, its not balance.

this isn't purely an FPS game, I hope you do realize that, as long as there is a skill system set up to train your character for specific roles instead of just mindless shooting and leveling up in general, then the game isn't purely an FPS. this game allow people to skill up their characters into specific roles and classes, that's RPGing, if you want a game that jut levels you up in general, again its called call of duty.

4- same as 3.

1-Again beinga little selfish here aint ya' .What about us Infantry trying to have fun vs other infantry instead of having to worry about tanks? Biased thought is biased.

2-So basically,if i run proto gear i shoudlnt be able to get killed by MLT/STD gear at all.By your reasoning..hmm..Proto suits / weapons / gear might be UNDERPOWERED then...

3-I get it. But what you are saying is RPG / MMORP thought. This is a FPS,balance means that with skill, you can take out another player REGARDLESS of time invested in the game. If gear/time invested is always going to tryumph over skill, its not balance.

4- same as 3.

@ adamance
''1-Yes Tank users should have a natural advantage over infantry, its the purpose for deploying a tank.

2-E.G- Take 2 500k SP toons. One pays 300K for his MLT tank, one uses a free MLT fit. Why does the AV have a natural advantage over the Tanker when they spent no ISK or SP to achieve that?''

1- So should AV then have a natural advantage over vehicles,since its designed for that purpose.
2-Because its designed to take out tanks.Same as a MLT tank can kill any PROTO if he is not carrying AV weaponry.

if I'm to grace you ridicules premise with a serious answer I would ask you how much you know about the various types of turrets available to tanks. it will be more interesting once we get pulse and beam lasers auto cannons and artillery but for now the range we have is fine.

missiles - very effective against installations and armor tanks, poor performance against infantry.
railguns - very effective against installations and all tanks, okay performance against infantry in the right hands
blasters - ineffective against installations and don't use it against anything but other blaster tanks, very good against infantry

now there are exceptions to the rules there are a few sevants with a railgun and at high levels blasters can take out installations and low sp tanks

I'll have to disagree with you on the missile turetts being inefective against infantry, as I be killing 'em with my Accelerated Missile Launchers.

The blast radius and splash damage actually make it the perfect choice for me when I'm going up against infantry.

@ Void Echo

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@ Adamace (wow im getting a beating here from tankers ..)

1-Yes but you have not put any effort or risk into using that fit, that is why AV is easy mode. I care not for balance, only the amount of effort someone has put into something.

2-Effort you never have to put in while Aving. If you put in 12m Sp into destroying tanks I would have no problem, you haven't put the same amount of effort in as a tanker has, thus solo you should never be able to beat them.

1-Effort? yeap. I'm missing on fun infatry vs infatry kills in order to spend a whole game hunting a tank,sometimes not even killing it,always not getting WP for pushing it back. Also, you care not for balance adamance, then why should WE AV infantry care for balance then...? You dont care for balance, and Void wants to get in a Pub match and unless we hace 3+ PROTO AV specialist working together,he want to be indestructible... I mean, lol.
The amount of effor will and SHOULD never be more powerful than SKILL, NEVER. SKILL > ALL

2-In this case, SP needed for tanks must be level to Infantry level, so that being a specialized AVer (with all things into consideration,dropsuit,weapon,sidearm,equipment,moddules,etc...) matches being a specialized tanker.

Fair points, my last comment was a little too hastily said, I'm sorry.

If you are keeping the tank on the run then be satisfied with not taking it down and keeping him from the fight.

Void might be able to continue.... but I feel I lost this round against you King.

Good win. I shall be back to argue with you later!

i feel for the infantry.it does seem a little silly that tanks can go into almost any match and pull off 25+-0 games and I always play by myself. Proto av can obviously stop me, but I expect it too and I can still manage to get good scores. I think the only time I really get completely ticked is when they have fully dedicated squads or have unfair vantage points. All talk about how it is now is a little pointless. Best to wait and see how the new changes play out. Which I have come to kinda like.