I think it would be useful to give people using scout suits a native squad vision ability that they don't have to equip a scanner for.

If the scout can see it, then the whole squad should be able to see it, too.

Kinda what a scout is for. Spotting bad guys.


Munch

Now THAT would be interesting and make scout's weakness possibly worth it.
That would make scouts saint suits, sacrificing themselves for greater good...

That doesn't happen with the scanner right now. Why would it happen with shared vision?
If you're running straight from teammates to an enemy that just so happens not to be looking at you, then you're doing it wrong. What happened to flanking? Or to using your speed to outmanoeuvre?

Instead of giving a likely scenario, you've constructed one that suits your opinion. Anyone can do that.

It's something of a contradictory point to raise the suit label of "assassin", when the suit's very name is "scout".

I am entirely in favour of the two eq slots. I want to see the racial scout bonuses centred on equipment use too. Uplinks, scanners, REs etc.

I'm beginning to think people have assumed I want scouts to remain as gimped as they are now.

1. You've assumed I don't want scouts to be rewards for their efforts.
Don't do that.
2. The clue is in the title: scout. Just because CCP haven't been very good at making it work, it isn't an argument in favour of commandeering the suit for something else. If that was the case, the early WP-less Chromosome logis should have seen an entire redesign towards alternate assaults too.
3. No they don't. Heavies don't get equipment. Logis don't get forge guns. You're making an argument I've literally just addressed in that same post. We're entitled to do what we want with a suit, we aren't entitled to have the suit's design decisions tailored to something other than its intended role.

I personally think this is a good idea, but it seems most scouts here disagree. Maybe the option to turn it off would be good but I don't see that happening.

Fixing passive scanners on the scout would be a good start at least.

It's pretty apparent by now that most of the people in here are not going to change their mind on this idea but there is one thing that you have not considered in this suggestion.

Dust 514 is part of a sandbox universe. Roles are promoted and encouraged by design but they are not supposed to be forced upon players. There is still the element of choice to allow different paths to be taken. For example in EVE there is a mining frigate called the Venture. It has bonuses to mining and has a good size cargo hold. There are players that fit it with weapons and PVP in it, often to great success as people who encounter it expect to gank a mining vessel. There are thousands of examples of ships designed for specific roles, with specific bonuses and fittings being used in unexpected ways. CCP refers to it as emergent gameplay and it is one of the major drawcards of the EVE universe.

Giving scouts the ability to toggle shared squad vision would be an awesome idea. Being able to pulse a tacnet update to highlight to everyone the location of enemies would be great.

Forcing scouts to always have shared squad vision will nerf multiple styles of play and impact how a significant number of players play this game. They may not be playing it how you believe they should be but that is irrelevant in a sandbox universe. If they can make it work then "it's not supposed to be used like that" is not a valid argument.

Yes. You've misrepresented me. I'm not interested in continuing any exchange unless you can manage a proper representation.

What would be better is a spotter tool.

It would be scout only equipment and work like a scanner but it would have a slight zoom and only highlight one enemy (suit or vehicle) at a time.

It would relay what that enemy is (assault, heavy, tank) and location.

The requirements would also be less than a scanner.

I have read everything up to this point so far and I have yet to find anything written by you in response to someone's argument/counterargument that I feel properly addresses their criticisms of your points or doesn't just avoid confronting them.

There exists 3 Scouts interested in Sainthood.
The other 200 of us aspire to be deadly Assassins.
Dare to dream, my b*stardly Brothers ... dare to dream.
:p

1. How does any argument I make assume that? The only assumption in that post is an open one about your tactics in skirmish. The only reference to scouts in that bullet was that they don't identify enemies any better than any other class unless they use an active scanner. I'm starting to think you're just trolling me with your logic.
2. Now i'm positive you're trolling me. I revert back to my "chef" suit argument for this. The name of the suit means nothing if the makers did not give it "scout-like" attributes. By your logic if they renamed the heavy suit "scout" then people using them as they are now would be wrong to do so because it wasn't "intended" to be used that way.
3. Yes they do. Hahaha. If I run a heavy suit, I can use it however I want. Everyone has that right. If you can fit it, you can use it. Heavies not having equipment slots does not limit people to how they can run the suit. It doesn't mean they can't be a support character if that's what the user wants to do. It doesn't mean they can't be a scout if that's what they want it to. The reason people don't is because they have poor scout attributes. The irony here is that you refuse to believe that scout suits have bad scout attributes because they have "scout" in the name while completely ignoring the reality of the suit itself. It's also funny that you're the one in favor of tailoring the suit to your vision of the intended role. I'm not trying to get any changes done to the suit, as you can see I'm oppose to the change.

1. You criticised my position on account of it requiring scouts to be selfless. If I want scouts rewarded for their work, your argument is moot. So either you were making the assumption, or you were making no sense. Which was it?
2. So your argument is that a scout suit shouldn't have scouting abilities because it doesn't currently have very good scouting abilities.
3. You're agreeing with me here. I don't think you've realised it though.

With active scanners being available to everyone, plus everyone having the option to boost their own electronic skills, they all void this entire topic.
The only reason assaults want this is cuz they know we have skilled these items, an they don't want too, but we're all friends here, we post our ideas to make the game better an we defend our stance because it's human nature to want to be recognized for a good idea.

IMO assaults sharing our vision wouldn't be as productive as it would for us to share their vision.
90% of the time scouts orbit the map waiting for a gap to sneek through, sharing a assaults vision would provide us this gap, we would know where others are without scanning an getting noticed.
An a good scouts not looking for all the enemies, we're looking for where they arent

Good for you.

Bad for you if you're trying to participate in a discussion among peers.

1. You criticised my position on account of it requiring scouts to be selfless. If I want scouts rewarded for their work, your argument is moot. So either you were making the assumption, or you were making no sense. Which was it?
2. So your argument is that a scout suit shouldn't have scouting abilities because it doesn't currently have very good scouting abilities.
3. You're agreeing with me here. I don't think you've realised it though.

Perhaps you missed the point that I was being dismissive of your unproductive & baseless statement.

Perhaps you missed the point that I was being dismissive of your unproductive & baseless statement.

Sorry guys.

I really mean it.


Munch

Haha more productive than "see my other post" as if it somehow contains some applicable counterarguments.

1. You criticised my position on account of it requiring scouts to be selfless. If I want scouts rewarded for their work, your argument is moot. So either you were making the assumption, or you were making no sense. Which was it?
2. So your argument is that a scout suit shouldn't have scouting abilities because it doesn't currently have very good scouting abilities.
3. You're agreeing with me here. I don't think you've realised it though.