One generation with many liberal Holder realising them almost immediately. However you do have to accept that part of the cultural integration is the changes to social structure, religion and superstition, as well as changing public opinion. For the Ni-kunni that was easy (they like many societies in our world were only too willing to adopt foreign beliefs, Check out some of the Portuguese missionaries and mission in feudal japan, they have some very interesting times there) but for some it take much linger based on how much you wish to resist of be obstinate.

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Imperial aspirations is not something every culture has strives to achieve. Otherwise America would of had more than two empires by the time the Spanish came.

"Good" has always been subjective.

I chose Caldari because working for what you want and things not being handed to you appealed to me. People will usually bring their values when they RP. Part of our nature I suppose.

im willing to be that they weren't slaves for long because they actually shared your beliefs, which also gives more to the fact that the empire is closed minded.

A response to your responses.

1. That remains to have been seen, America was a small fledgling country during the time when imperial aspirations were very much so the thing to do, they broke away for their own personal rights and liberties, but I also believe because such aspirations weren't appealing. I also believe that if such aspirations were the case then they would have stayed with the larger British empire and claimed the new world for that empire, however since all of this is speculation the point and comparison between America and Amarricuh is moot.

2. Yup it always has but that doesn't mean the Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys in new eden, I mean I cannot say the Matari are bad because I don't believe that, but I do believe the Gallente are the counterpart to the empire and while we can be the best and worst of human nature at one time or another, the federation remains the best and worst all at the same time.

3. Good reason. Yup anything you work for is always more valuable than something you have given to you or assume have given to you.

Amarrian slavery isn't bigotry nor is it discriminatory, they do not believe their slaves are inferior to them.

However in Amarrian culture there are nobility so we do have a caste system in place.
Also the MInmatar suit you then since they were lucky enough to have been situated on a paradise world when they were developing and I assume much like the Intaki Idama and Caldari Ida practitioners they are rather in tune with nature

America broke away from England because the king at the time kept on taking away their personal and political liberties and freedoms, they got sick of it and rebelled and we have been a country ever since.

Exactly, Amarr slavery is more equatable to a parent-child relationship. We guide them and make them do things sure, but it's out of love in an effort to grow them into better people. We may act rough at times, but we do not discriminate or view them as inferiors. In fact, we hope that one day they may be closer to the Lord than any of us.

That's not true, it has been a statute that yes the Ni Kunni were religious though they did not share the same kind of religion the True Amarr did, what the have been known to do however is be drawn to the Sani Sabik ways which are a direct violation of our religious mandate, substituting water in their ceremonies for blood.

Close minded?.... because one religion has inducted another into its society? That's is not close minded, more so open minded, If we were dead set on being the only empire around total destruction would be our game, but it is not, it is instead bringing all the peoples of new eden together.

I'm quite tired and have had most of a bottle of wine, so forgive me for misreading the title of this thread as "why did you pick your nose?"

That's not true, it has been a statute that yes the Ni Kunni were religious though they did not share the same kind of religion the True Amarr did, what the have been known to do however is be drawn to the Sani Sabik ways which are a direct violation of our religious mandate, substituting water in their ceremonies for blood.

Close minded?.... because one religion has inducted another into its society? That's is not close minded, more so open minded, If we were dead set on being the only empire around total destruction would be our game, but it is not, it is instead bringing all the peoples of new eden together.

1. That remains to have been seen, America was a small fledgling country during the time when imperial aspirations were very much so the thing to do, they broke away for their own personal rights and liberties, but I also believe because such aspirations weren't appealing. I also believe that if such aspirations were the case then they would have stayed with the larger British empire and claimed the new world for that empire, however since all of this is speculation the point and comparison between America and Amarricuh is moot.

No its not. Before you make your assertions play a match with me and let me explain.

1. Amarr do not take slaves for social repression purposes nor as a means of profit, it is their belief that though hardship people become closer to God and in doing so they become ready to enter into the Empire, and are emancipated.

2. They had being doing so yes, their development into a theocracy was definitely a legitimization of the proactive, though that doesn't change the intentions of the practice.

3. How can people unite as one people and one group if there are many cultures, simply answer it cannot happen since one culture will always try to hold its self up as special, self important. We are one species, not a division of 4 races.

That's the propaganda they use to make themselves appear less malevolent. Their early reasons for taking slaves were driven by politics and profit which they later had codified in their religious text. Basically, it's what they tell the masses in order to get them to play along. No one is actually expected to do which was why was there a massive revolt slaveholder revolt when the Empress released a few million Mimitaur. The religion aspect is mainly lip service.


The original intent of the practice had nothing to do with their religion until it became so widespread that it became part of their religion. They were a eugenic theocracy before they became slaveholders. But the thing is, they were so bad about it that they didn't bother codifying it until after they'd been doing it for years. All the nice bits about improvement through hardship and whatever came about centuries afterward. And as the refusard revolt singularly demonstrates, you weren't supposed to take that part seriously.



Yeah, erasing someone's culture in order to make things more convenient for your own is one of the qualifiers for genocide. Too many real world examples to list. In fantasy and sci-fi any empire that does this is unequivocally the bad guy. Forced assimilation isn't a good thing. Remember the Buddy Bears from Garfield and friends, and how they were dicks and no one liked them? Remember their theme song?

Oh, we are the buddy bears,
we always get along!
We do a little dance,
and then we sing a little song!

If you ever disagree,
It means that you are wrong!
Oh, we are the buddy bears,
We always get along!

I meant the Aztec and the Inca. There were empires before these two existed, but empires kept replacing them in the same general geography of Mesoamerica until the Spanish conquered them. There weren't any empires or really nations anywhere else in America. The same argument can be made to a lesser extent in Southern Africa. The Zulu changed that.

(( Dude who gave you the right to make assetions about and empire that isn't your own, nor one I have come to believe you even know about?

I just going to give up I have spent all to my time trying to explain the aspects of one culture to you people. Yet all I get are the same weak arguments.
PROPAGANDA THIS and WERE THE HEROES that. Most of you people have little to no understand of lore, I apologise to guys who do, I am always inclined to respect and argue with you on friendly terms, but I cant keep doing this in the face of overwhelming ignorance and the same already run through arguments.))

A Gallentean saying the Amarr are under the effects of propaganda is like a raven calling a rook black.

C.R.E.A.M

If you dont know what that means, please exit life stage left

I forgive you but I pick my nose because I am a gold digger.

Capitalist ***** :3

(( Dude who gave you the right to make assetions about and empire that isn't your own, nor one I have come to believe you even know about?

I just going to give up I have spent all to my time trying to explain the aspects of one culture to you people. Yet all I get are the same weak arguments.
PROPAGANDA THIS and WERE THE HEROES that. Most of you people have little to no understand of lore, I apologise to guys who do, I am always inclined to respect and argue with you on friendly terms, but I cant keep doing this in the face of overwhelming ignorance and the same already run through arguments.))

A Gallentean saying the Amarr are under the effects of propaganda is like a raven calling a rook black.

I am just curious. I picked Amarr because when I was reading all the bio's they seemed like the bad guys. I wanted to be a bad guy.

I am just curious. I picked Amarr because when I was reading all the bio's they seemed like the bad guys. I wanted to be a bad guy.

((No, you've been writing slaver apologia for your character and growing annoyed that no one is buying it, and now you're resorting to the traditional battlecry of keyboard warriors and dragon role-players everywhere: "You guys don't get it."

Here's is a history of The Amarr empire. link

Here's a history of slavery in the Amarr Empire. link

I think between the two of us chum, I'm the only one who bothered to do any reading on the subject. Soz.))