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Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
They are vastly more the good guys that any race in New Eden.
I picked them because they are far more different from and real world establishment we have, and more open to creating unique and interesting characters, not to mention everyone and their grandma seems to want to be "freedom junkies" in this game. I mean really, X thousand years in the future and everyone still wants to play the status quo?
Bad guys are Blood raiders, Sansha's Nation, Gurista's, general pirate groups.
Ha. People prefer the "freedom junkies" as you've coined them because you don't have to look too far to discover the poisonous results of religious extremism, totalitarianism in governments, or elitist exceptionalism in this, our sad reality. You merely picked the faction that combines all three of those cancerous ideals, making the Amarr the most realistic Empire in New Eden, and thus the easiest to hate. The Mimitar and the Gallente with their defense of the individual and promotion of benevolent egalitarianism are pure escapist fantasy, and thus naturally the most popular.
I picked Gallente because I like Iain Bank's The Culture series, and The Gallente as a culture of free-wheeling, equalist party animals remind me of The Culture.
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Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
I wont argue the point here but if you want to run a public contract I can explain it too you. Not to mention slavery by the Amarr is nothing like the historical slavery we know.
It's exactly like the slavery we've known in our histories.
1. They seized slaves on their home world as a means of political and social repression, not to mention extreme profit.
2. They had it codified it in their scripture decades after they began doing it, just to say God was okay with it after the fact.
3. They deliberately destroy native cultures. Only slaves who've converted to the Amarr religion and embraced Amarr society, rejecting their own in the process have even the hope of being freed. That's cultural genocide.
There is nothing unique about the Amarr. Even their religious spin is nothing but a reinterpretation of Islamic Manumission, which allowed for the freeing of 'pious' slaves, but didn't prevent the Arab Slave trade from being absolutely massive. |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
No its not. Before you make your assertions play a match with me and let me explain.
1. Amarr do not take slaves for social repression purposes nor as a means of profit, it is their belief that though hardship people become closer to God and in doing so they become ready to enter into the Empire, and are emancipated.
That's the propaganda they use to make themselves appear less malevolent. Their early reasons for taking slaves were driven by politics and profit which they later had codified in their religious text. Basically, it's what they tell the masses in order to get them to play along. No one is actually expected to do it, which was why there was a massive slaveholder revolt when the Empress released a few million Mimitaur. The religion aspect is mainly lip service.
Quote:2. They had being doing so yes, their development into a theocracy was definitely a legitimization of the proactive, though that doesn't change the intentions of the practice.
The original intent of the practice had nothing to do with their religion until it became so widespread that it became part of their religion. They were a eugenic theocracy before they became slaveholders. But the thing is, they were so bad about it that they didn't bother codifying it until after they'd been doing it for years. All the nice bits about improvement through hardship and whatever came about centuries afterward. And as the refusard revolt singularly demonstrates, you weren't supposed to take that part seriously.
Quote:3. How can people unite as one people and one group if there are many cultures, simply answer it cannot happen since one culture will always try to hold its self up as special, self important. We are one species, not a division of 4 races.
Yeah, erasing someone's culture in order to make things more convenient for your own is one of the qualifiers for genocide. Too many real world examples to list. In fantasy and sci-fi, any empire that does this is unequivocally the bad guy. Forced assimilation isn't a good thing. Remember the Buddy Bears from Garfield and friends, and how they were dicks and no one liked them? Remember their theme song?
Oh, we are the buddy bears,
we always get along!
We do a little dance,
and then we sing a little song!
If you ever disagree,
It means that you are wrong!
Oh, we are the buddy bears,
We always get along! |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
(( Dude who gave you the right to make assetions about and empire that isn't your own, nor one I have come to believe you even know about?
I just going to give up I have spent all to my time trying to explain the aspects of one culture to you people. Yet all I get are the same weak arguments.
PROPAGANDA THIS and WERE THE HEROES that. Most of you people have little to no understand of lore, I apologise to guys who do, I am always inclined to respect and argue with you on friendly terms, but I cant keep doing this in the face of overwhelming ignorance and the same already run through arguments.))
A Gallentean saying the Amarr are under the effects of propaganda is like a raven calling a rook black.
((No, you've been writing slaver apologia for your character and growing annoyed that no one is buying it, and now you're resorting to the traditional battlecry of keyboard warriors and dragon role-players everywhere: "You guys don't get it."
Here's is a history of The Amarr empire. link
Here's a history of slavery in the Amarr Empire. link
I think between the two of us chum, I'm the only one who bothered to do any reading on the subject. Soz.)) |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:52:00 -
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Mac Dac wrote:Wow. as i keep reading through this topic i find that some people have grown quite prejudice to other races.
And its not just amar.
It's all in-character. I doubt anyone actually notices the races of the characters that they're shooting at in this game. Everyone here is an amoral merc out for a paycheck. |
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