They are vastly more the good guys that any race in New Eden.

They are vastly more the good guys that any race in New Eden.

I picked them because they are far more different from and real world establishment we have, and more open to creating unique and interesting characters, not to mention everyone and their grandma seems to want to be "freedom junkies" in this game. I mean really, X thousand years in the future and everyone still wants to play the status quo?

Bad guys are Blood raiders, Sansha's Nation, Gurista's, general pirate groups.

It's exactly like the slavery we've known in our histories.

1. They seized slaves on their home world as a means of political and social repression) , not to mention extreme profit.

2. They had it codified it in their scripture decades after they began doing it, just to say God was okay with it after the fact.

3. They deliberately destroy native cultures. Only slaves who've converted to the Amarr religion and embraced Amarr society, rejecting their own in the process have even the hope of being freed. That's cultural genocide.

There is nothing unique about the Amarr. Even their religious spin is nothing but a reinterpretation of Islamic Manumission, which allowed for the freeing of 'pious' slaves, but didn't prevent the Arab Slave trade from being absolutely massive.

I wont argue but in new eden we do not have the same world politics and you have to ask yourself why the Athenians, historically one of the first great democracies, historically gave up a democratic state for a more dictatorial one during times of hardship.

Also as with the more popular choice I would say that that is simply people playing to social coventions, its boring. I mean more and more within the universe of New Eden I am coming to believe the Amarr are doing the right thing.

No its not. Before you make your assertions play a match with me and let me explain.

1. Amarr do not take slaves for social repression purposes nor as a means of profit, it is their belief that though hardship people become closer to God and in doing so they become ready to enter into the Empire, and are emancipated.

2. They had being doing so yes, their development into a theocracy was definitely a legitimization of the proactive, though that doesn't change the intentions of the practice.

3. How can people unite as one people and one group if there are many cultures, simply answer it cannot happen since one culture will always try to hold its self up as special, self important. We are one species, not a division of 4 races.

I have. We have done horrible things in the name of our God, and we have done great things.

Just like the Federation is the best and worst of all of the empires in one basket.

Only the Caldari, to me, seem to be without flaw, except perhaps for their rough social policies.

Every faction has negative qualities about it. Accept it young padawan.

OK I don't see why everyone cannot grasp this concept. I'M WELL AWARE THE GALLENTE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE, BUT their ideals of liberty and justice for all (which is in the AMERICAN Pledge of Allegiance) is an AMERICAN way of thinking therefore they COME OFF as AMERICAN.

Broken down enough for you now?

I picked Caldari because of the industrial culture it had. You must work to get what you want and can't expect things to be given to you. Freeloadering is for the weak! I also like the design of how the ships looked like. It reminded me of the Imperial Empire design from Star Wars. I never liked the government and as someone has said, I never liked Heth either.

Gallente was my second choice because of the whole Space 'Murica ideal. It became distasteful when I learn they were originally French. I didn't want to play as a Frenchie.

Minmatar's design reminded me too much of SVER from MAG. I don't like SVER.

Amarr are clearly villains with their hyper expansion and forced conversion. It also reminded me of SVER for a different reason, they are the largest and control the most.

On a different note. Whenever there is a moral choice system in games, most people will choose the good side every time. I'd provide examples, but I can't find a source at the moment. For now, just look at the FW status right now. The "good guys" are winning.

That's basically the Amarrian style.

I do what I do because I believe I am doing the right thing. I believe I am helping the peoples of New Eden. I believe that the God you despise so much is real and that this is what he would wish for me, and that because I have the freedom and the power to do something to change this galaxy I will.

You do have a point about how we enslave the other races we encounter, but I honestly think we are doing them a favour. The Ni-Kunni are the perfect examples of that. They were not as developed as many of the other races were, they were extremely pious, and willing to accept Amarrian culture with minimal need for force. In one generation many if not all of the Ni Kunni were freed, and were adopted into the empire, less than 1% remain in bondage.

Comparing them to the Minmatar who were obstinate and rebellious, much longer was needed to soothe their wilfulness but that never came to pass.

((I don't believe the Amarr are humanity at its worst I believe they sit on an axis they are humanity, and humanity through the lens of religion, capable of the greatest good of all the races, but the greatest evil too. I perceive the Gallente as one aspect of the worst humanity has to offer, because they too sit on an axis one that lets them do as they see fit, but what they have achieved with this freedom is complacency, corruption, and a lack of true purpose.

But as always I respect your opinion, and will always debate it if you don't mind the good only fashioned arguments we have.))

One of the most ignorant yet common generalization I hear about the Amarr is that they are racists. I'm assuming people make this assumption based on their stance on slavery. However, this is not the case at all. The Amarr enslave other races not because of their race, but because of their unenlightened beliefs. Bringing up the Ni-Kunni again, they are a perfect example of the Amarr taking in a foreign race and welcoming them as equals among the Empire.

I wouldn't say bad guys, imperial aspirations have never been a bad thing, the envy of every peoples.

Good is subjective in New Eden. For example the MInmatar cannot let go of the past. They are trapped in a cycle of brutality and anger made of their own youthful impetuousness, the Gallente are a hive of scum and villainy but also oppressive behind closed doors, the Caldair while good meaning are callous at times, and the Amarr have held to their religions and kept slaves for millennia.

No group is good, no group is bad. People I guess cannot shake the real world concepts they bring into the game.

One generation with many liberal Holder realising them almost immediately. However you do have to accept that part of the cultural integration is the changes to social structure, religion and superstition, as well as changing public opinion. For the Ni-kunni that was easy (they like many societies in our world were only too willing to adopt foreign beliefs, Check out some of the Portuguese missionaries and mission in feudal japan, they have some very interesting times there) but for some it take much linger based on how much you wish to resist of be obstinate.

A response to your responses.

1. That remains to have been seen, America was a small fledgling country during the time when imperial aspirations were very much so the thing to do, they broke away for their own personal rights and liberties, but I also believe because such aspirations weren't appealing. I also believe that if such aspirations were the case then they would have stayed with the larger British empire and claimed the new world for that empire, however since all of this is speculation the point and comparison between America and Amarricuh is moot.

2. Yup it always has but that doesn't mean the Gallente and Minmatar are the good guys in new eden, I mean I cannot say the Matari are bad because I don't believe that, but I do believe the Gallente are the counterpart to the empire and while we can be the best and worst of human nature at one time or another, the federation remains the best and worst all at the same time.

3. Good reason. Yup anything you work for is always more valuable than something you have given to you or assume have given to you.

No its not. Before you make your assertions play a match with me and let me explain.

1. Amarr do not take slaves for social repression purposes nor as a means of profit, it is their belief that though hardship people become closer to God and in doing so they become ready to enter into the Empire, and are emancipated.

2. They had being doing so yes, their development into a theocracy was definitely a legitimization of the proactive, though that doesn't change the intentions of the practice.

3. How can people unite as one people and one group if there are many cultures, simply answer it cannot happen since one culture will always try to hold its self up as special, self important. We are one species, not a division of 4 races.

1. That remains to have been seen, America was a small fledgling country during the time when imperial aspirations were very much so the thing to do, they broke away for their own personal rights and liberties, but I also believe because such aspirations weren't appealing. I also believe that if such aspirations were the case then they would have stayed with the larger British empire and claimed the new world for that empire, however since all of this is speculation the point and comparison between America and Amarricuh is moot.

(( Dude who gave you the right to make assetions about and empire that isn't your own, nor one I have come to believe you even know about?

I just going to give up I have spent all to my time trying to explain the aspects of one culture to you people. Yet all I get are the same weak arguments.
PROPAGANDA THIS and WERE THE HEROES that. Most of you people have little to no understand of lore, I apologise to guys who do, I am always inclined to respect and argue with you on friendly terms, but I cant keep doing this in the face of overwhelming ignorance and the same already run through arguments.))

A Gallentean saying the Amarr are under the effects of propaganda is like a raven calling a rook black.

Hey since when. You used to squad with us. When were we ever jerks to you?

Really. I do suppose they RP, but then again you have to remember they were capsuleers... and they are all crazy.

Also you are a Matari loyalist..... but that is no excuse.

There are a lot of musicians in that blood line, hell there was an eve kufuffle where one of their top singers got assasinated in gallente space.

Ewww a Gallentean.... don't touch me sir!

Ever been to an Amarr rave? Lazers and flashing lights everywhere.