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Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:35:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: I wont argue the point here but if you want to run a public contract I can explain it too you. Not to mention slavery by the Amarr is nothing like the historical slavery we know.
It's exactly like the slavery we've known in our histories.
1. They seized slaves on their home world as a means of political and social repression, not to mention extreme profit.
2. They had it codified it in their scripture decades after they began doing it, just to say God was okay with it after the fact.
3. They deliberately destroy native cultures. Only slaves who've converted to the Amarr religion and embraced Amarr society, rejecting their own in the process have even the hope of being freed. That's cultural genocide.
There is nothing unique about the Amarr. Even their religious spin is nothing but a reinterpretation of Islamic Manumission, which allowed for the freeing of 'pious' slaves, but didn't prevent the Arab Slave trade from being absolutely massive. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
398
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:36:00 -
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In Rust, We Trust. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
349
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:38:00 -
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Amarr vs. Minny story a lot more interesting than cal vs. gal
So picked Amarr because just seemed a lot more interesting. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1533
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:39:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:True Adamance wrote: I wont argue the point here but if you want to run a public contract I can explain it too you. Not to mention slavery by the Amarr is nothing like the historical slavery we know.
It's exactly like the slavery we've known in our histories. 1. They seized slaves on their home world as a means of political and social repression, not to mention extreme profit. 2. They had it codified it in their scripture decades after they began doing it, just to say God was okay with it after the fact. 3. They deliberately destroy native cultures. Only slaves who've converted to the Amarr religion and embraced Amarr society, rejecting their own in the process have even the hope of being freed. That's cultural genocide. There is nothing unique about the Amarr. Even their religious spin is nothing but a reinterpretation of Islamic Manumission, which allowed for the freeing of 'pious' slaves, but didn't prevent the Arab Slave trade from being absolutely massive.
Exactly. Just because the giant slaving ships are a golden color doesn't make it all wine and roses.
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Colonel Killar
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
196
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:40:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:wished I had read the descriptions... brother in law walked me through creating character, told me race meant nothing, so just hit X a few times..
turns out it was the guy to the left...
funny... but true
anyway DNA tests prove im actually of Amarr origin, and CCP is to blame for the image attached to my name!! Sure... I still say This Chicago Cubs is a Gallente, we all know CONCORD would not show your image as Gallente if you filled out your stuff correctly, or wait did you fill out Image Form 36-A instead of 33-A when signing up for this mercenary communication service? |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
694
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:42:00 -
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Anything that represents freedom I guess... Though I guess I didn't pick minmatar for possibly racist reasons 0.o? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2421
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:43:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:True Adamance wrote: They are vastly more the good guys that any race in New Eden.
I picked them because they are far more different from and real world establishment we have, and more open to creating unique and interesting characters, not to mention everyone and their grandma seems to want to be "freedom junkies" in this game. I mean really, X thousand years in the future and everyone still wants to play the status quo?
Bad guys are Blood raiders, Sansha's Nation, Gurista's, general pirate groups.
Ha. People prefer the "freedom junkies" as you've coined them because you don't have to look too far to discover the poisonous results of religious extremism, totalitarianism in governments, or elitist exceptionalism in this, our sad reality. You merely picked the faction that combines all three of those cancerous ideals, making the Amarr the most realistic Empire in New Eden, and thus the easiest to hate. The Mimitar and the Gallente with their defense of the individual and promotion of benevolent egalitarianism are pure escapist fantasy, and thus naturally the most popular. I picked Gallente because I like Iain Bank's The Culture series, and The Gallente as a culture of free-wheeling, equalist party animals remind me of The Culture. I wont argue but in new eden we do not have the same world politics and you have to ask yourself why the Athenians, historically one of the first great democracies, historically gave up a democratic state for a more dictatorial one during times of hardship.
Also as with the more popular choice I would say that that is simply people playing to social coventions, its boring. I mean more and more within the universe of New Eden I am coming to believe the Amarr are doing the right thing. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
304
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:46:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: I wont argue but in new eden we do not have the same world politics and you have to ask yourself why the Athenians, historically one of the first great democracies, historically gave up a democratic state for a more dictatorial one during times of hardship.
Also as with the more popular choice I would say that that is simply people playing to social coventions, its boring. I mean more and more within the universe of New Eden I am coming to believe the Amarr are doing the right thing.
And I'm here to kill you for trying, doesn't that make you feel better? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2421
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:47:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Our Deepest Regret wrote:True Adamance wrote: I wont argue the point here but if you want to run a public contract I can explain it too you. Not to mention slavery by the Amarr is nothing like the historical slavery we know.
It's exactly like the slavery we've known in our histories. 1. They seized slaves on their home world as a means of political and social repression) , not to mention extreme profit. 2. They had it codified it in their scripture decades after they began doing it, just to say God was okay with it after the fact. 3. They deliberately destroy native cultures. Only slaves who've converted to the Amarr religion and embraced Amarr society, rejecting their own in the process have even the hope of being freed. That's cultural genocide. There is nothing unique about the Amarr. Even their religious spin is nothing but a reinterpretation of Islamic Manumission, which allowed for the freeing of 'pious' slaves, but didn't prevent the Arab Slave trade from being absolutely massive. Exactly. Just because the giant slaving ships are a golden color doesn't make it all wine and roses. No its not. Before you make your assertions play a match with me and let me explain.
1. Amarr do not take slaves for social repression purposes nor as a means of profit, it is their belief that though hardship people become closer to God and in doing so they become ready to enter into the Empire, and are emancipated.
2. They had being doing so yes, their development into a theocracy was definitely a legitimization of the proactive, though that doesn't change the intentions of the practice.
3. How can people unite as one people and one group if there are many cultures, simply answer it cannot happen since one culture will always try to hold its self up as special, self important. We are one species, not a division of 4 races. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2423
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:49:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:True Adamance wrote: I wont argue but in new eden we do not have the same world politics and you have to ask yourself why the Athenians, historically one of the first great democracies, historically gave up a democratic state for a more dictatorial one during times of hardship.
Also as with the more popular choice I would say that that is simply people playing to social coventions, its boring. I mean more and more within the universe of New Eden I am coming to believe the Amarr are doing the right thing.
And I'm here to kill you for trying, doesn't that make you feel better? It really does. I like having arch rivals. You will never be a Doughguy level archnemesis (both my enemy in game and in the real world NZ vs AU) but you are someone I always look for when I'm fighting. |
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Aisha Ctarl
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1379
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:49:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because I am Catholic and I could get behind the Amarr religion aspect.
Also, the Amarr struck me as the most different and unique of the four races.
Gallente = Freedom fighters IE America Caldari = Mega corporations control everything IE Corporate America Minmatar = the impoverished and enslaved race IE a third world country
Gallente are originarily French people.
OK I don't see why everyone cannot grasp this concept. I'M WELL AWARE THE GALLENTE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE, BUT their ideals of liberty and justice for all (which is in the AMERICAN Pledge of Allegiance) is an AMERICAN way of thinking therefore they COME OFF as AMERICAN.
Broken down enough for you now? |
Morathi III
Red Star. EoN.
247
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:50:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Amarr cause I liked the golden Merc quarters! Yeah for the same reason But in FW i always try to fight for the gallente, they are french origin, i taked the gal scout for this reason even if before 1.4 he was garbage |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2566
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:50:00 -
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Random, because I was told it didn't matter. Then later it determined our starter fits and there was nothing we could do to change it. Oh well. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
304
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: No its not. Before you make your assertions play a match with me and let me explain.
1. Amarr do not take slaves for social repression purposes nor as a means of profit, it is their belief that though hardship people become closer to God and in doing so they become ready to enter into the Empire, and are emancipated.
2. They had being doing so yes, their development into a theocracy was definitely a legitimization of the proactive, though that doesn't change the intentions of the practice.
3. How can people unite as one people and one group if there are many cultures, simply answer it cannot happen since one culture will always try to hold its self up as special, self important. We are one species, not a division of 4 races.
Soooo.....How many times are you willing to repeat this argument before you give up on the community and let them rot in their ignorance?
I'm genuinely curious. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2005
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:51:00 -
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True Adamance being apologetic about Amarrian slavery, never gets old.
Every faction has negative qualities about it. Accept it young padawan. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1527
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:53:00 -
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I chose amarr because they were the most different. Also gold is awesome. Since then I have read up on them and they are indeed a great choice.
Read this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=111545&find=unread
Cool stuff |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2423
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:55:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:True Adamance wrote: No its not. Before you make your assertions play a match with me and let me explain.
1. Amarr do not take slaves for social repression purposes nor as a means of profit, it is their belief that though hardship people become closer to God and in doing so they become ready to enter into the Empire, and are emancipated.
2. They had being doing so yes, their development into a theocracy was definitely a legitimization of the proactive, though that doesn't change the intentions of the practice.
3. How can people unite as one people and one group if there are many cultures, simply answer it cannot happen since one culture will always try to hold its self up as special, self important. We are one species, not a division of 4 races.
Soooo.....How many times are you willing to repeat this argument before you give up on the community and let them rot in their ignorance? I'm genuinely curious. I guess so. I mean I like it when you and the other knowledgeable players make your jabs and comments about it.... I have to try to teach these people that you cannot bring real world examples and instances into a game and make them a statement of fact unless its based in reality.
I might give up soon, but whenever we try to make a thread so I can talk to my fellow amarrians these idiots jump in a derail it and then tell me its my fault for something that doesn't even make sense. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2423
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:56:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance being apologetic about Amarrian slavery, never gets old.
Every faction has negative qualities about it. Accept it young padawan. I have. We have done horrible things in the name of our God, and we have done great things.
Just like the Federation is the best and worst of all of the empires in one basket.
Only the Caldari, to me, seem to be without flaw, except perhaps for their rough social policies. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2006
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Posted - 2013.09.30 19:59:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance being apologetic about Amarrian slavery, never gets old.
Every faction has negative qualities about it. Accept it young padawan. I have. We have done horrible things in the name of our God, and we have done great things. Just like the Federation is the best and worst of all of the empires in one basket. Only the Caldari, to me, seem to be without flaw, except perhaps for their rough social policies. Yeah I have to say Caldari are pretty neutral to me. The only reason why I didn't pick them is because of their fighting style.
Can't stand Caldari tactics. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2425
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:01:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance being apologetic about Amarrian slavery, never gets old.
Every faction has negative qualities about it. Accept it young padawan. I have. We have done horrible things in the name of our God, and we have done great things. Just like the Federation is the best and worst of all of the empires in one basket. Only the Caldari, to me, seem to be without flaw, except perhaps for their rough social policies. Yeah I have to say Caldari are pretty neutral to me. The only reason why I didn't pick them is because of their fighting style. Can't stand Caldari tactics. I started out with them since I loved the almost heroic but not quite style of them, their cool designs and weapons, and the lore.... but I love the Amarr so much more. |
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MrShooter01
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
309
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:02:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:
Every faction has negative qualities about it. Accept it young padawan.
^^ There is exactly one group of "good guys" in new eden: the Sisters of Eve humanitarian organization that cleans up the messes left behind in wars, and even they are involved in subterfuge
Everyone else is a mess of people with their own goals and values, lots of guns, and good intentions
You know what they say about good intentions |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2425
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:04:00 -
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MrShooter01 wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:
Every faction has negative qualities about it. Accept it young padawan.
^^ There is exactly one group of "good guys" in new eden: the Sisters of Eve humanitarian organization that cleans up the messes left behind in wars, and even they are involved in subterfuge Everyone else is a mess of people with their own goals and values, lots of guns, and good intentions You know what they say about good intentions I like you. Champion intelligence. May you bring the like of knowledge to these poor people. |
Gods Architect
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
560
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:07:00 -
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Cladari Prime anyone :P |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
508
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:10:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because I am Catholic and I could get behind the Amarr religion aspect.
Also, the Amarr struck me as the most different and unique of the four races.
Gallente = Freedom fighters IE America Caldari = Mega corporations control everything IE Corporate America Minmatar = the impoverished and enslaved race IE a third world country
Gallente are originarily French people. OK I don't see why everyone cannot grasp this concept. I'M WELL AWARE THE GALLENTE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE, BUT their ideals of liberty and justice for all (which is in the AMERICAN Pledge of Allegiance) is an AMERICAN way of thinking therefore they COME OFF as AMERICAN. Broken down enough for you now?
lol hey, hey, no need to be p***ed, I'm a peaceful Achura, not an autarchic Deteis
Anyway, you probably think as liberty and justice as american ideals because you're american (I suppose), but many countries have a strong representative concept of these ideals as well:
Libert+¿, Egalit+¿, Fraternit+¿.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9,_%C3%A9galit%C3%A9,_fraternit%C3%A9
Sounds Gallente, doesn't it? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2427
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:10:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:Cladari Prime anyone :P Caldari lost scripted space battle, caldari won player controlled ground fights. I wish Gallente wouldn't tote a battle they couldn't lose as a victory. |
Fist Groinpunch
Goonfeet Top Men.
83
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:10:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because I am Catholic and I could get behind the Amarr religion aspect.
Also, the Amarr struck me as the most different and unique of the four races.
Gallente = Freedom fighters IE America Caldari = Mega corporations control everything IE Corporate America Minmatar = the impoverished and enslaved race IE a third world country
Gallente are originarily French people. OK I don't see why everyone cannot grasp this concept. I'M WELL AWARE THE GALLENTE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE, BUT their ideals of liberty and justice for all (which is in the AMERICAN Pledge of Allegiance) is an AMERICAN way of thinking therefore they COME OFF as AMERICAN. Broken down enough for you now?
France went through its own revolution where they fought for those very same ideals, so it definitely not an exclusively American way of thinking.
Libert+¬, +¬galit+¬, fraternit+¬, and all that.
EDIT - beaten! |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
85
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:11:00 -
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Minmatar Brutor seemed the most natural choice to my playstyle. Badass machinegunner with no regards for personal safety. |
Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
508
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:11:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because I am Catholic and I could get behind the Amarr religion aspect.
Also, the Amarr struck me as the most different and unique of the four races.
Gallente = Freedom fighters IE America Caldari = Mega corporations control everything IE Corporate America Minmatar = the impoverished and enslaved race IE a third world country
Gallente are originarily French people. OK I don't see why everyone cannot grasp this concept. I'M WELL AWARE THE GALLENTE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE, BUT their ideals of liberty and justice for all (which is in the AMERICAN Pledge of Allegiance) is an AMERICAN way of thinking therefore they COME OFF as AMERICAN. Broken down enough for you now? France went through its own revolution where they fought for those very same ideals, so it definitely not an exclusively American way of thinking. Libert+¬, +¬galit+¬, fraternit+¬, and all that. EDIT - beaten!
LOL I anticipated you by just few seconds!
EDIT: High 5! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2427
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:12:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Because I am Catholic and I could get behind the Amarr religion aspect.
Also, the Amarr struck me as the most different and unique of the four races.
Gallente = Freedom fighters IE America Caldari = Mega corporations control everything IE Corporate America Minmatar = the impoverished and enslaved race IE a third world country
Gallente are originarily French people. OK I don't see why everyone cannot grasp this concept. I'M WELL AWARE THE GALLENTE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE, BUT their ideals of liberty and justice for all (which is in the AMERICAN Pledge of Allegiance) is an AMERICAN way of thinking therefore they COME OFF as AMERICAN. Broken down enough for you now? lol hey, hey, no need to be p***ed, I'm a peaceful Achura, not an autarchic Deteis Anyway, you probably think as liberty and justice as american ideals because you're american (I suppose), many countries have a strong representative concept of these ideals as well: Libert+¿, Egalit+¿, Fraternit+¿. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9,_%C3%A9galit%C3%A9,_fraternit%C3%A9Sounds Gallente, doesn't it? Admittedly I have more of a sympathy towards the Gallente, and the Americans after being party to a memorial service for the Unknown American last week on my vacation.
I definitely see how much effort and dedication goes in to standing up for their ideals. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2010
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:12:00 -
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Fist Groinpunch wrote: France went through its own revolution where they fought for those very same ideals, so it definitely not an exclusively American way of thinking.
Libert+¬, +¬galit+¬, fraternit+¬, and all that.
EDIT - beaten!
Shhhh, Shhh.
Let him live in his own little, America centered world. |
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