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OP, I just described my personal playstyle with the heavy, obviously it's a naturally slower, more armoured dropsuit than the assault. Therefore one of its roles can be circling the point rather than head on assault.

I can envision so many battle tactics using them though that I don't think we have shoehorned the heavy into a single role.

I have seen 2 LLAVS with 3 heavies blast past footslogging old me, with me showing on the point 30 seconds after a brutal slaughter and heavies roaming the perimeter, similar to assault terminators from W40k. The commando is definitely a role that we want to expand on in that regard.

Similarly with dropships deployment, maybe even remote repping the heavies.

Then we have the missing racials, I play Gallente Assault and it's much different from Caldari. I can only presume that the heavy differences will be similar.

Honestly, HMG heavies would be perfectly fine if the HMG just DID MORE EFFING DAMAGE. If I get outgunned by a damn assault with a duvolle in cqc, something is off. Even if TWO duvolles are firing at once. I should be able to solo two AR users in CQC with a Boundless easily. So actually, my two changes here are very simple: HMG damage increase, and small arms damage resistance to heavy suits (you know, like they are supposed to). Basic heavy, sentinel, and commando should resist 10-20%, adv you do 20-35%, and proto is 30-50%.
I think CCP should at least try this out and see how it goes. If everyone complains too much about OP heavies, then I was wrong, fair enough. I don't feel as though I am being wholly unreasonable. Just my two cents.

Honestly, HMG heavies would be perfectly fine if the HMG just DID MORE EFFING DAMAGE. If I get outgunned by a damn assault with a duvolle in cqc, something is off. Even if TWO duvolles are firing at once. I should be able to solo two AR users in CQC with a Boundless easily. So actually, my two changes here are very simple: HMG damage increase, and small arms damage resistance to heavy suits (you know, like they are supposed to). Basic heavy, sentinel, and commando should resist 10-20%, adv you do 20-35%, and proto is 30-50%.
I think CCP should at least try this out and see how it goes. If everyone complains too much about OP heavies, then I was wrong, fair enough. I don't feel as though I am being wholly unreasonable. Just my two cents.

Someone said my name?

OP, I just described my personal playstyle with the heavy, obviously it's a naturally slower, more armoured dropsuit than the assault. Therefore one of its roles can be circling the point rather than head on assault.

I can envision so many battle tactics using them though that I don't think we have shoehorned the heavy into a single role.

I have seen 2 LLAVS with 3 heavies blast past footslogging old me, with me showing on the point 30 seconds after a brutal slaughter and heavies roaming the perimeter, similar to assault terminators from W40k. The commando is definitely a role that we want to expand on in that regard.

Similarly with dropships deployment, maybe even remote repping the heavies.

Then we have the missing racials, I play Gallente Assault and it's much different from Caldari. I can only presume that the heavy differences will be similar.

I have seen 2 LLAVS with 3 heavies blast past footslogging old me, with me showing on the point 30 seconds after a brutal slaughter and heavies roaming the perimeter, similar to assault terminators from W40k. The commando is definitely a role that we want to expand on in that regard.

Then we have the missing racials, I play Gallente Assault and it's much different from Caldari. I can only presume that the heavy differences will be similar.

With hit detection actually working it is far easier for an assault to solo a heavy in cqc we need some sort of resistance hmg heavies should be terrifying and it should take more than 1 person to take us down map layout is also of huge concern now even in the defensive role the points that we have to defend can often be defended equally or better with a tanked out logi

1.) you've obviously have never received my nanohive love before. At 70+ HP/s and 140+ if overlapping, my proto triage hives can keep any heavy alive for almost any amount of time. The only real counter to this is overwhelming numbers, or Grenades. Both of which can be handled if you make the enemy fight on your terms, and have superior positioning to them. (grenades cant kill you if there isn't a proper angle, and numbers don't count for sh*t if your fighting in the hot gates).

Then wade in I shall!



Assults specialisation much to a lot of peoples suprise is meant to be its versatility! An assault can be a chopshopped version of any other suit. It can run a decent scout, but not as good as a scout, it can be a brick tank heavy but not as good as a heavy!!

Logi units need a slight change, which ccp are apparently working on but having trouble with, they plan to lower pg/cpu on the suits but give bonuses to eq fitting costs, that way they can't out tank! But once again logistics is a diverse roll. As are they all!

A sentinel is designed for defence apparently, but what is a defensive role?
Is it guard a null cannon?
Is it tail end charlie?
Maybe its area denial and suppression?

The heavy is what you make lf it, but it should not be alone wolf gear, no suit should be!

It just so happens that the suit lends itself to places with good cover! When bubble sheilds are released and triage repair tools aremore useful, heavies will see more time on the frontline!

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How is it that the armor repairer on a f***ing nanohive is 14x better than the Prototype Armor Repairers I put on my suit? I put 4 on there, and that's only a piddly 25 HP/s. THATS FOUR F***ING SLOTS! Still this nanohive is 3x more effective, and it restocks ammo.

Want to make Amarr heavies scary again. Give us the ability to repair our god d***ed armor. I have 1000 armor HP and I have to fit 4x Proto armor repairers to get the shield repair rate that comes (for free) on all suits. 1 Proto repairer takes almost 4 minutes to repair me to full.

And yet a freaking nanohive has 70 HP/s repair on it. Preposterous.

Someone said my name?

OP, I just described my personal playstyle with the heavy, obviously it's a naturally slower, more armoured dropsuit than the assault. Therefore one of its roles can be circling the point rather than head on assault.

I can envision so many battle tactics using them though that I don't think we have shoehorned the heavy into a single role.

I have seen 2 LLAVS with 3 heavies blast past footslogging old me, with me showing on the point 30 seconds after a brutal slaughter and heavies roaming the perimeter, similar to assault terminators from W40k. The commando is definitely a role that we want to expand on in that regard.

Similarly with dropships deployment, maybe even remote repping the heavies.

Then we have the missing racials, I play Gallente Assault and it's much different from Caldari. I can only presume that the heavy differences will be similar.

If you make heavies capable of easily taking on multiple opponents, what you will end up with in matches is 5 heavies surrounding an objective being absolutely untouchable. It's a pretty good tactic already, especially with the inside objectives like the underground one in the Research Facility.

Someone said my name?

OP, I just described my personal playstyle with the heavy, obviously it's a naturally slower, more armoured dropsuit than the assault. Therefore one of its roles can be circling the point rather than head on assault.

I can envision so many battle tactics using them though that I don't think we have shoehorned the heavy into a single role.

I have seen 2 LLAVS with 3 heavies blast past footslogging old me, with me showing on the point 30 seconds after a brutal slaughter and heavies roaming the perimeter, similar to assault terminators from W40k. The commando is definitely a role that we want to expand on in that regard.

Similarly with dropships deployment, maybe even remote repping the heavies.

Then we have the missing racials, I play Gallente Assault and it's much different from Caldari. I can only presume that the heavy differences will be similar.

Someone said my name?

OP, I just described my personal playstyle with the heavy, obviously it's a naturally slower, more armoured dropsuit than the assault. Therefore one of its roles can be circling the point rather than head on assault.

I can envision so many battle tactics using them though that I don't think we have shoehorned the heavy into a single role.

I have seen 2 LLAVS with 3 heavies blast past footslogging old me, with me showing on the point 30 seconds after a brutal slaughter and heavies roaming the perimeter, similar to assault terminators from W40k. The commando is definitely a role that we want to expand on in that regard.

Similarly with dropships deployment, maybe even remote repping the heavies.

Then we have the missing racials, I play Gallente Assault and it's much different from Caldari. I can only presume that the heavy differences will be similar.

Only time a heavy is OP when we are using 1 of 2 heavy weapons given to us the forge. Even then its so many drawbacks to using it. Ill continue to play heavies even though they are gimped. Even with max skills in heavy running max defense, i still get creamed by a assault in cqc. just takes him a tad longer since my hmg is gimped. heavys are nothing but a speed bump to the objective. Anyone else say different doesn't play PC and just pubes stomp all day which is NOT a clear indication of the game. Just shows how imbalanced it is.

Can it be fixed? Sure but does CCP have the balls to do it. I dunno. No matter what CCP does players will QQ but they will also adapt. Balance it now before the player base is completely gone. Your time is ticking CCP with PS4 coming out. Unless you have something hidden in your sleeve for ps4 it doesn't look good. Even then, not everyone has the cash to jump to the ps4 with all its pretty features. You have sold the community a free game with micro transactions. Please stop taking it in the chin and do something.


I like this game, i really do. I congratulate you on this being the first game to draw me to the console. It may be my last though.

Thats right CCP, just because you designed the suit for a certain play style it shouldnt be that way and you need to cater to guys who want to kick in doors with 1k + ehp and kill from 60 meters away

Seriously though thats what its designed for, not everyone gets to be in the spear head and if you want to go assaulting guys then maybe wear an assault suit while you do it

Im not saying what should be done, but designing the heavy with ONE playstyle in mind is a bad thing yes?

You mean like Caldari logis with Duvolle assault rifles?



Heavies are also "designed to with stand concentrated small arms fire". so, why can a milita AR burn through a heavy in 2.2 seconds?

Assault suits are not designed to be logistics. So why can they carry equipment? Assaults are not designed to have as much ehp as a heavy, so why do caldari assaults and gallente assaults have ehp higher than heavies?
ARs are not supposed to supress like HMGs... so why are they better at suppresion than HMGs?

I mean really. CCP should remove heavy suits, scouts suits and logi suits. and let everyone be assault. Because honestly, you can do everything better with an assault.

with a galente assault you can speed tank and be faster than a scout, you can easily tank harder than a heavy with 3 times the speed with assault suits...
you can carry equipment like logi suits so whats the point.

there isnt enough PG/CPU to use up three slots of equipment on a logi suit anyway because it eats up so much PG.

Thats right CCP, just because you designed the suit for a certain play style

You must not understand that that's what the AMarr heavy's designed around. I'm sure the spear headers would be Winmatar or Gallente.

I find myself a sad panda CCP seem to be blowing off an important topic, or are at least not getting the point.

Im not going to go into the numbers or arguments about how what does and doesnt do this or that and things. Thats what the many many other threads are doing...

I want to get across that when CCP are looking at the heavy with their critical eye, NOT to do so trying to get them to conform to an unwanted defensive role!
Im sorry if im getting the wrong impression, but any CCP response (and they are few and far between) on the topic of heavies seems to me to be pushing towards this mentality.

Personally i think (along with scouts) the heavy needs some love. That the HMG are restrictive at best.
I may be wrong, but there are a lot of people that are thinking the same, and regardless of your stance on the matter CCP need to have a long hard look at the matter... BUT NOT with this defensive, hiding round the corner, never moves anywhere idea in their heads.