Hmg is a minmatar weapon, in dust at least minmatar is known for short range breaching or long distance suppression/area denial! I believe the hmg needs a much longer effective to fit this bill somewhere along the lines of 80-100m effective, enough to really scare an enemy into hunkering down! But as I said this an amarr suit which are always better for longer ranges, which a minmatar weapon doesn't allow!

HMG on a fast Minmatar heavy suit could work...

So CCP gave a Minmitar weapon, to an Amarr suit, then proceed to balance the gun to reflect it's a short range weapon designed for faster suits to close the gap...hahahahahahahahahahhaha

Yea that makes total sense!

Give the slowest race, a weapon that requires CQC! Just call heavies a camping class and be done with it.

Its not an ideal situation at the moment, but when they are released I imagine suits will complement their weapons better!
Saying that I have seen interesting and effective heavy squads before!

One use a dropship dropped dirrectly onto the point and locked it down was pure genius, and ill never forget my teamates response as a heavy landed 30 cm from him!

Bo***ks

Its not an ideal situation at the moment, but when they are released I imagine suits will complement their weapons better!
Saying that I have seen interesting and effective heavy squads before!

One use a dropship dropped dirrectly onto the point and locked it down was pure genius, and ill never forget my teamates response as a heavy landed 30 cm from him!

Bo***ks

as a proto heavy in my main i have little problem going ham if i run with my sqd i can easily go 10+ kills/ 3- deaths
and as for attacking the objective vs defending one my sqd style caters to the heavy as we are the slowest (defend order on me and sqd forms around me then we move as one slow unified group into the bulkhead of radish scurge and when we get to the front line i take point til i get low armor then fall back and let me sqd finnish up ...all with hmg basic (prof 5)

*cough* Forge gun squads *cough*

... what?... no theyre a bad idea ... why would anyone say such a thing...

*kicks FG under the table*



Have you never had 6 Sentinals "sprinting" towards you with Nova Knives... thats scary... you seriously cant move from laughing

lol @ heavy squads. Seeing a Caldari squad is more scary, sorry.

only 10 kills? in a pub? if I don't get 20+ with 2-3 deaths I had a bad game.

Giving advice to people that know how to play their role means nothing when the role is **** in a competitive environment.

Thing is you could prob do better with a different weapon....

HMG, as it is now, is an offensive weapon (or at least, it should be). To be effective, heavy has to close the distance between him an the enemy. And this is where the heavy/sentinel suit simply isn't up to the job.

It's funny that all of the other dropsuits have changed how they're used over this games lifetime and yet this amazing strategy of of dropping heavies out of a dropship was very common in the Tester's Tournament which was Codex I believe and was also used by many people in just regular pub games before that.

Other suits have evolved and shifted focus whereas heavies are devolving and being viable in less and less strats

you are simply doing it wrong.

-a brick tanked logi is as slow as a heavy, so whatever you think the problem with your movement is, the amarr and gallente logis have the same issue.
-a heavy can move right in your face in a LAV on all maps
-a heavy does not even have to get an LAV in certain complexes

Just to put it out there. I'm not looking to start anything, I'm just a little passionate about my
heavy...

I'm all for more flexability in the suits. All of them. But, if one class is getting a heavy dose of
restriction, shouldn't they all have a similar level of restriction of some sort as well? Not the
same but about the same comparitive level. No other suit have I seen bashed as hard as the
heavy when it comes to trying to break out of that perceived role. Why is that?

I remember that logi sidearm only b.s. I stayed out of it because it seemed well defended against.

MM, jump in man, the more the merrier!

you are simply doing it wrong.

-a brick tanked logi is as slow as a heavy, so whatever you think the problem with your movement is, the amarr and gallente logis have the same issue.
-a heavy can move right in your face in a LAV on all maps
-a heavy does not even have to get an LAV in certain complexes

My 2nd suit is a Gallente, and i don't have the same problems as I do with my heavy suit. i can jump higher than 2 inches for starters. My hitbox isn't the size of an LAV, and my head isn't a magnet for every AR on the map. My suit doesn't need an LAV to get everywhere on some maps. I run slower yes, but let's be real, nothing's as slow as a heavy.

*cough* logi assaults *cough*

I find myself a sad panda CCP seem to be blowing off an important topic, or are at least not getting the point.

Im not going to go into the numbers or arguments about how what does and doesnt do this or that and things. Thats what the many many other threads are doing...

I want to get across that when CCP are looking at the heavy with their critical eye, NOT to do so trying to get them to conform to an unwanted defensive role!
Im sorry if im getting the wrong impression, but any CCP response (and they are few and far between) on the topic of heavies seems to me to be pushing towards this mentality.

Personally i think (along with scouts) the heavy needs some love. That the HMG are restrictive at best.
I may be wrong, but there are a lot of people that are thinking the same, and regardless of your stance on the matter CCP need to have a long hard look at the matter... BUT NOT with this defensive, hiding round the corner, never moves anywhere idea in their heads.

chrome chrome chrome. Let me have a little debate with you friend. You claim that heavies shouldn't or "are not" meant to be in a defensive role. Ok. That's fine so let me counter argue that by saying that the "can" be defensive, and also go over a way or two how they could also be offensive.

1.) you've obviously have never received my nanohive love before. At 70+ HP/s and 140+ if overlapping, my proto triage hives can keep any heavy alive for almost any amount of time. The only real counter to this is overwhelming numbers, or Grenades. Both of which can be handled if you make the enemy fight on your terms, and have superior positioning to them. (grenades cant kill you if there isn't a proper angle, and numbers don't count for sh*t if your fighting in the hot gates).

2.) Now..... only one race of heavies is available right now and that's the amar version. If it follows what the assault suit does, this version should be a balance between shields and armor. Though I would lean towards armor with damage mods personally. The suit in itself is probably going to be slower then most of the other racial heavies. Slower means its less able to get around the battlefield which means you naturally want it to play defensively. Your too slow to out maneuver enemies so place yourself in a position where they out maneuver themselves! (if you get what I mean).

3.) if you want an "offensive" heavy, or more accurately a "shock troop" then I wouldn't hold your breath. That's probably not going to happen until the minmatar or caldari heavies come out. HOWEVER, if your interested in going offensive anyway, I would turn your eyes towards the kinetic catalyzers. If properly fitted you can bring the current amar heavies sprinting speed up to over 7 meters a second (which if you consider the amount of gallente/amar suits these days) is actually faster then most suits out there! This makes the heavy much more maneuverable and would probably assist in your playstyle.

Now I don't know if you wanted this type of response or not, but its the way I think about it when I consider the amar heavies right now. I mean..... heavies in general are 1/4th as flexible as the assault/logistics suits so naturally your going to have limitations in what they can do.

@ChromeBreaker, @Marston VC and friends. I don't understand your concerns. Except I do. But CCP/Shanghai has some concrete mindset that Logis can only be one thing. First they were great. I was topping kill boards for WP or was at worst in the top 4 during Beta. That was shut off because Nobody like losing top slot to no stinking Logi with barely any Kills or Deaths.

Next for me, the Heavies were great fun. My HMG Assault was perfect with Sharpshooter and its Skills near maxed. Shooting Reds at 60-70m was fantastic. Except, CCP/Shanghai says; That is a No-No. Little Mercs cannot have fun, run a Heavy and kick butt. Now they have to be defensive. Only. At 20m or less.

In Uprising Caldari Logis were The Beast. Now they aren't. And CCP/Shanghai will gut them again no doubt because a Logi cannot have so much Shield/Armor and that will mean less CPU/PG. The Devs are never happy until all the SP is spent, unable to be refunded and the Merc feels like they have been ripped off with a bucket of now useless Skills into a Suit that just flat doesn't work. Wow! Perfect! Somehow most forget that LogiBros need to get Kills to get WP. Now some are having to carry a Scanner and get nothing for their trouble except losing WP ... again.

Tanks can be Sniper Rail Tanks, Blaster Brawlers and Missile Monsters. Except CCP/Shanghai wants to completely gut them. And once more an entire group of Mercs will feel ripped off, upset because their SP is wasted, non-refundable and wondering why they have spent all this effort for naught. When they finally drop the new Vehicles they will be frail empty husks that will be like paper (per Dev description). They will only be useful in the very limited concepts that CCP/Shanghai has decided. No other uses will be allowed. Turn on the Modules, attack and Flee! Run away or Die! Yep, sounds like a QQ Kitten Tank. As designed by CCP/Shanghai. They even seem proud of the fact that modules will run out faster. Wow. Fun.

Well, Heavies ... Welcome To The Freaking CCP/Shanghai Club.

You will have no role except what CCP/Shanghai wants you to have.

Don't expect it to get better. It won't.

Why I quit being a heavy. Back in Beta a Heavy took the lead and the led the charge. Now the heavy is a joke compared to its former self. I refuse to be a heavy and want a SP respec, two roles I have speced into and both were gimped by CCP. I was a heavy first and CCP nerfed the role. So I spec into Cal Logi not for the flavor of the month but to see what it is like to run a shield build and it got nerfed. Now I am specing into another role and I am told there is a good chance it is going to be nerfed or changed as well. I am now on the please can I have a respec bandwagon.

I find myself a sad panda CCP seem to be blowing off an important topic, or are at least not getting the point.

Im not going to go into the numbers or arguments about how what does and doesnt do this or that and things. Thats what the many many other threads are doing...

I want to get across that when CCP are looking at the heavy with their critical eye, NOT to do so trying to get them to conform to an unwanted defensive role!
Im sorry if im getting the wrong impression, but any CCP response (and they are few and far between) on the topic of heavies seems to me to be pushing towards this mentality.

Personally i think (along with scouts) the heavy needs some love. That the HMG are restrictive at best.
I may be wrong, but there are a lot of people that are thinking the same, and regardless of your stance on the matter CCP need to have a long hard look at the matter... BUT NOT with this defensive, hiding round the corner, never moves anywhere idea in their heads.

Exile AR is stronger than Boundless HMG, at least in my hands (both on a heavy)

you are simply doing it wrong.

-a brick tanked logi is as slow as a heavy, so whatever you think the problem with your movement is, the amarr and gallente logis have the same issue.
-a heavy can move right in your face in a LAV on all maps
-a heavy does not even have to get an LAV in certain complexes