Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.

Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives.

I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response.

Not surprised that this is a response thread but I am surprised at the lack of trolling and rage.

Although I have access to multiple types of uplinks I only use the ones that I find most valuable. Because of this I normally only have 3 (2 ADV and 1 STD) deployed at any given time.

I don't consider it an exploit only because there was never anything in game that suggested so.

Now that I think about it, is changing fits to rep yourself an "exploit". It seems like it would be since it only works when switching to a fit that doesn't have the same eHP as your current fit.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

Sorry I meant to say not an exploit!
Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix!


There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!!

Monkey - I have to say, I love your approach on the forums. You seldom troll. When you disagree you do so respectfully. Thank you for that.

One day, we must squad together!

Sorry I meant to say not an exploit!
Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix!


There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!!

Monkey - I have to say, I love your approach on the forums. You seldom troll. When you disagree you do so respectfully. Thank you for that.

One day, we must squad together!

From what i've understood is something like this:

• I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
• I drop my 2 hives
• i go to the supply depot
• i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
• i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper

This should be fixed

But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly.

There is no "'over' spam" of equipment because, like others have said, you can only deploy as many as the description says you can. At max you can deploy 3 at a time, and that is with Proto. Yes, you can deploy as many as 6, but this is more strategy than an "exploit".

For example: I was in a Domination match on Line Harvest, and I dropped 3 uplinks on the pipes. A little later, my team took the objective thanks to a couple of Orbitals and some good players. Later we did lose, but we would have never taken it without people spawning so close to the objective.

From what i've understood is something like this:

• I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
• I drop my 2 hives
• i go to the supply depot
• i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
• i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper

This should be fixed

But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly.

From what i've understood is something like this:

• I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
• I drop my 2 hives
• i go to the supply depot
• i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
• i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper

This should be fixed

But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly.

This isn't how it happens at all. I know this for a fact as I am one of the "nanohive spammers". I use adv gal logi suit with proto equip (always carry proto nanite, so assume it is my 3rd equip). It works like this...
1) Spawn in with initial suit containing allotek hives and a stable uplink
2) Drop the 2 allotek and the 1 uplink as allowed by description
3) switch to same/different dropsuit with wyrkomi triage and guaged nano
4) place 2 triage and 3 guaged (as allowed in their descriptions), all remain on the field
5) switch to another suit with K17/d nano and proto rep tool
6) place 2 K17's, all still remain
If at any time you drop 1 of the type already in play, it will replace 1 of that type as long as max still deployed, but not any other. This is not putting out more of a hive than stated as it's limit, and it is no different than dying and spawning in with a different suit (as happens while going back and forth to depots in heat of battle).

Just making sure we are all on the same page as to what some are calling an exploit.

I would try to get my WP by killing stuff, but people don't take kindly to logis getting kills on here. Now it seems like they don't want use to use equipment either. Maybe I should go sit on the redline every battle.

I would try to get my WP by killing stuff, but people don't take kindly to logis getting kills on here. Now it seems like they don't want use to use equipment either. Maybe I should go sit on the redline every battle.

I would try to get my WP by killing stuff, but people don't take kindly to logis getting kills on here. Now it seems like they don't want use to use equipment either. Maybe I should go sit on the redline every battle.

One other thing, I also should mention I am not talking about the stupid farming behavior when people spam nanohives around a supply depot. That's selfish and does nothing to advance the teams objective. Please take the scenario listed in the context of someone who is placing the equipment in locations that are at least somewhat useful.

I would like this to be addressed by a dev as well. This and reviving those in the firing line. I suggest zero WP for nanohives within 10 metres of a supply depot, and zero WP for revives that result in a death within five seconds. To counterbalance the latter, give extra WP for using advanced/proto needles. Basically incentivize logis to help their team rather than troll them.

Sure, but everytime our revive is successfull the amount of money you haven't lost will be transfered from your wallet to the logi's who saved your sorry ass and yeah let's make money transfer for each amount of armor we repair ... Stop being jerks toward logis, when I think that this thread is just the slightly less mentally challenged child of a previous thread made just because a guy cannot stand to have a logi on top of the scoreboard with a negative ratio ... cunts, you want pew pew and no team work , go play another FPS.

There is no "'over' spam" of equipment because, like others have said, you can only deploy as many as the description says you can. At max you can deploy 3 at a time, and that is with Proto. Yes, you can deploy as many as 6, but this is more strategy than an "exploit".

For example: I was in a Domination match on Line Harvest, and I dropped 3 uplinks on the pipes. A little later, my team took the objective thanks to a couple of Orbitals and some good players. Later we did lose, but we would have never taken it without people spawning so close to the objective.

Technically, this is functionally working as intended. However, this (and supply depot interaction in general) is something we would like to change (the exact details of what we will change it to are still being decided on).

So there you have it boys and girls.

Keep explo...........em, em, opps I mean keep using this working as intended game mechanic to your advantage.

Simple solution:
Max number of items per equipment type. This way, it doesn't matter what type of nanohive you're dropping--you're still limited to two/three at a time. Just as you could also drop three of four REs or PMs. Those are all fine; the problem is when people are exploiting the numerical limits of each equipment type by tossing out different versions of each. Hence, you end up with the forge gunners sniping from a tower, surrounded by near-infinite ammo/armor repair.

As for switching suits...I have two builds that carry REs; one is utilized with an AR for CQC, the other is utilized with an SR if I'm able to cover the node from distance. It's great that I can lay some REs with one suit and then detonate them with the other, but I shouldn't be able to go out and throw some more REs of a different type.

Technically, this is functionally working as intended. However, this (and supply depot interaction in general) is something we would like to change (the exact details of what we will change it to are still being decided on).

Glad we could put that to rest once and for all. Perhaps now we can direct our attention to suggestions from the community (logis especially but all reasoned opinions are welcome) on how they would like to see the supply depot interaction to work, and a corollary, how could uplinks be changed (not nerfed) to maybe reduce mindless spam - hate to admit it but we all know it can happen - but still keep the strategic elements and WP gain viable for dedicated logistics players.

It does work as intended for now, but if the quoted post and community sentiment are any indication , something is going to be changed. If I can get some good suggestions/discussion here I can eventually move it to a dedicated and more focused thread in the feedback section. As I said in a related thread a few weeks ago, if a change is coming, I'd rather be driving that bus instead of being thrown under it.

Suggestions I've heard in the past that make sense include jammers or a minimum radius between uplinks. I've also considered a potential skill that modestly limits the number of uplinks one person can drop as a way you could potentially limit mindless spam by other classes but keep the mechanic more or less unchanged for the dedicated logi.

Discuss.

Any "Change" to reduce uplink spam would, by definition, be a nerf. Don't even try to sugar coat that...

... that said, I support such a thing. Uplink spam is boring lol; but honestly it is uber low priority considering other issues in the game.

Technically, this is functionally working as intended. However, this (and supply depot interaction in general) is something we would like to change (the exact details of what we will change it to are still being decided on).

Technically, this is functionally working as intended. However, this (and supply depot interaction in general) is something we would like to change (the exact details of what we will change it to are still being decided on).

As a logi who absolutely adores how the current system works, the only compromise I would be willing to make is some sort of increased map visibility for enemy troops whenever friendly equipment is too densely situated. Call it equipment noise caused by interference or something. That way people can still spam, but the enemy knows exactly where the spam pile is on their map. Combine that with WP for destroying equipment and you have a massive win-win for virtually everyone, especially scouts who would probably tend to specialize in this sort of thing (equipment search & destroy).

This is an excellent idea. Achieves balance and provides an additional WP gain. No nerf necessary

It seems to me that what I'm hearing most of the hate about is uplink spam, and not so much hive spamming. Is that correct? I gotta say it's annoying not being able to see the board sometimes due to something that seems to have no real purpose, but as one of those who are glad to hear the depot is "working as intended", I just move along as I always did. Thanking god that i don't have to march across a map to get those hives back up.

Since I will regularly drop 12-15 hives on a map at once (in strategic places, for specific on-field purposes, trust me they all go somewhere special), I have to say I'm not for any limitation. I've had 2 minutes of setup ruined by 2-3 well placed flux nades, so it isn't like these are hard to eliminate. However, they can be a massive boost to anyone who has been on a team with me, if they take advantage of them.

So is that the reason for the hate on uplink spam? That since every hive is essentially the same, you don't necessarily "need" that many up at once in a concentrated effort? If so I can sympathize, but just not agree. Leave it alone and wait until everyone is rolling in WP for blowing up my 30k nanohives along with their <1k uplinks. That should help even out the WP distribution to keep those who like to pewpewpew from feeling they have been "cheated" out of some imaginary benefit, even tho anything done by a logi can't do anything but help them succeed (short of dropping a hive/link on a concealed sniper).

Its mostly uplink spam that the problem is about. By no means are we hurting on logi players on this one. Its just if 1 guy can have 20 uplinks tethered to him, he isn't necessarily a logi.

Now imagine 4 other guys doing the same thing, it becomes whack-a-mole, and not particularly fun! However I have heard rumors that it will change sothat if you change to suit that doesn't have your currently deployed equipment, then the equipment blows up!

Which is fine because a logi can still dump half a dozen uplinks, but he now can't leave the uplink suit if he wants his team to reap the benefits, reduces spam, makes them more tactical again, now all need is the ability to jump to an uplink without dying first.

Have you really been in a game with more than 20-30 uplinks active (outside of perhaps PC)? As a logi with proto uplinks, I don't bother putting down more uplinks if there are already 20-30 on the map - it's a diminishing return since you expend effort and/or suits to put that many out, and with so many to choose from, the spawn points you get will be very minimal.

Where exactly has it been confirmed that your deployed equipment will pop if you do not equip a suit that possesses the same equipment? This would be a huge nerf to deployables and would have logis everywhere up in arms.

Simple solution:
Max number of items per equipment type. This way, it doesn't matter what type of nanohive you're dropping--you're still limited to two/three at a time. Just as you could also drop three of four REs or PMs. Those are all fine; the problem is when people are exploiting the numerical limits of each equipment type by tossing out different versions of each. Hence, you end up with the forge gunners sniping from a tower, surrounded by near-infinite ammo/armor repair.

As for switching suits...I have two builds that carry REs; one is utilized with an AR for CQC, the other is utilized with an SR if I'm able to cover the node from distance. It's great that I can lay some REs with one suit and then detonate them with the other, but I shouldn't be able to go out and throw some more REs of a different type.