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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
105
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:42:00 -
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So, if you have missed this monolith of a thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110396&find=unread
There is a raging debate as to whether or not the following scenario is an exploit or working as intendedGäó:
- Dedicated logistics player spawns in at the beginning of game. Starting suit is equipped with (for example) Allotek drop uplinks and X-3 nanohives. He gets to appropriate location and drops them.
- Once the current equipment is all dropped, runs to nearest supply depot.
- Switches to another fitting that is equipped with N-11/A and P-13 uplinks. Drops those at other strategic locations. Battle rages on. Somehow nobody takes out any of the equipment he has dropped.
- Makes his way to another supply depot, switches suits again, now with, I dunno, K17/D and Wyrkomi triage nanohives. Places those at some hotspots. His fully stocked team pummels the opposition.
End result: This logistics player, using the supply depot, has placed 6 uplinks and 6 nanohives without dying.
CCP Logibro, we need your input. Is this a bug/exploit or not? There are dev posts that give conflicting information. Please clarify!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
105
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:42:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire
312
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:45:00 -
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i tried this once and it didn't work for me |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1569
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Posted - 2013.09.22 14:54:00 -
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Interesting. I'm honestly torn. I have occasionally seen supply depots completely engulfed by nanohive auras and wondered about this.
I do something similar for PC. I have 4 different uplinks on a suit designed purely for spamming them around important locations. I have always felt that this should be possible with 4 of the same. Sometimes, if I know which uplink I have at a location, I will deliberately respawn with another, so as not to cancel the first.
If I may say so myself, I don't think this is exploiting a system. The example you gave however, certainly treads the line, and I can't think how it would be fixed without undermining my own legitimate use of this mechanic. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1333
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:01:00 -
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Pick really annoying sound. I recommend nails on blackboard.
Play sound when someone accesses the depot to all players in game.
Before you know it, supply depots will be destroyed before people go for objectives.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3409
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:01:00 -
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Using this I have personally attained a repair rate of something like 200 HP/s.
I'm torn. I want equipment to be restockable at supply depots, but not when you can spam uplinks and hives to this degree. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1749
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:05:00 -
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This has nothing to do with supply depots. I have a logi suit with three different types of advanced uplinks - each of which can have 2 deployed at a time. This means I can deploy 6 uplinks. This is not an exploit in my mind as you are not exceeding the limitation in the "show info" which states that 2 can be active at once - it is talking about two of those specific flavors of uplinks, and not 2 total uplinks. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
608
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:09:00 -
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Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1749
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:12:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives.
I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
608
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:19:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives. I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response.
Sorry I meant to say not an exploit! Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix!
There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!! |
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces League of Infamy
497
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:22:00 -
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Not surprised that this is a response thread but I am surprised at the lack of trolling and rage.
Although I have access to multiple types of uplinks I only use the ones that I find most valuable. Because of this I normally only have 3 (2 ADV and 1 STD) deployed at any given time.
I don't consider it an exploit only because there was never anything in game that suggested so.
Now that I think about it, is changing fits to rep yourself an "exploit". It seems like it would be since it only works when switching to a fit that doesn't have the same eHP as your current fit.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST. |
lDocHollidayl
Ancient Exiles
259
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:26:00 -
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This has been the case from the start. Since way back. Someone is mad bro? They either didn't think of it, have no skills in anything logi, or got owned by a team redlining with close to infinite ammo. I do not see this changing. AS it shouldn't. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
587
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:27:00 -
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No keep it as is. Any team can do it, you should not gimp a team because the other team lacks the equipment or teamwork to do it. That is what is wrong with dust, players are doing there job so they must be a cheating because I am not winning all the time. Its a supply depot, its doing its job and that is resupplying your team. If everyone did there job this would not be an issue. Kill the logi or lay out your hives as well. Stop complaining, be the solution not the problem. |
Ynned Ivanova
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:28:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:Not surprised that this is a response thread but I am surprised at the lack of trolling and rage. Although I have access to multiple types of uplinks I only use the ones that I find most valuable. Because of this I normally only have 3 (2 ADV and 1 STD) deployed at any given time. I don't consider it an exploit only because there was never anything in game that suggested so. Now that I think about it, is changing fits to rep yourself an "exploit". It seems like it would be since it only works when switching to a fit that doesn't have the same eHP as your current fit.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
No, it only works when you change to a loadout that is based on another suit. Nothing to eo with ehp. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1750
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:32:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives. I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response. Sorry I meant to say not an exploit! Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix! There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!!
Monkey - I have to say, I love your approach on the forums. You seldom troll. When you disagree you do so respectfully. Thank you for that.
One day, we must squad together! |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
608
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:38:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives. I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response. Sorry I meant to say not an exploit! Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix! There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!! Monkey - I have to say, I love your approach on the forums. You seldom troll. When you disagree you do so respectfully. Thank you for that. One day, we must squad together!
Something I learnt as a corporal in cadets, people are always more responsive when you are positive, besides I ALWAYS love a good, well balanced discussion. So much more fun than your mum jokes!!
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
300
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Posted - 2013.09.22 15:49:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives. I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response. Sorry I meant to say not an exploit! Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix! There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!! There is no "'over' spam" of equipment because, like others have said, you can only deploy as many as the description says you can. At max you can deploy 3 at a time, and that is with Proto. Yes, you can deploy as many as 6, but this is more strategy than an "exploit".
For example: I was in a Domination match on Line Harvest, and I dropped 3 uplinks on the pipes. A little later, my team took the objective thanks to a couple of Orbitals and some good players. Later we did lose, but we would have never taken it without people spawning so close to the objective. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:01:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives. I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response. Sorry I meant to say not an exploit! Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix! There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!! Monkey - I have to say, I love your approach on the forums. You seldom troll. When you disagree you do so respectfully. Thank you for that. One day, we must squad together!
Appreciated by the OP as well. I would love this to be a reasoned discussion of this specific behavior, not about logistics play in general or that sort of thing. Admittedly I editorialized just a little in the second post (seriously though, have you read that thread?) but would like to keep this civilized otherwise.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
672
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:02:00 -
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From what i've understood is something like this:
- I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
- I drop my 2 hives
- i go to the supply depot
- i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
- i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper
This should be fixed
But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:04:00 -
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Notes: Minor edit to the OP, expanded/finished post #2.
One other thing, I also should mention I am not talking about the stupid farming behavior when people spam nanohives around a supply depot. That's selfish and does nothing to advance the teams objective. Please take the scenario listed in the context of someone who is placing the equipment in locations that are at least somewhat useful. |
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1680
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:08:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:From what i've understood is something like this:
- I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
- I drop my 2 hives
- i go to the supply depot
- i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
- i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper
This should be fixed But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly. its not, its drop ever type within its normal max. which without buying any packs but including AUR versions thats 25 uplinks, 24 nanohives, 24 RE, 15 proxy dropped equipment, for one person |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
609
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:12:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Its technically an exploit, more of a design overlook, 1 person should not be able to deploy so much equipment on the field simultaneously.
Equipment is designed to help complete an objective, its not to be spammed, we need more equipment to give us more variety and bonuses, so people consider more than just nanohives. I respectfully disagree. If CCP determines that it is an exploit, I will live with that decision, but given this mechanic has been in place for well over a year, this would mark a shift in the dev's approach. I watch with interest to see CCP's response. Sorry I meant to say not an exploit! Its an oversight I feel CCP should fix! There is no problem with restocking equipment, I personally feel you shouldn't have to switch suits to do so. But being to be able to "over" spam uplinks, hives is potentially a problem!! There is no "'over' spam" of equipment because, like others have said, you can only deploy as many as the description says you can. At max you can deploy 3 at a time, and that is with Proto. Yes, you can deploy as many as 6, but this is more strategy than an "exploit". For example: I was in a Domination match on Line Harvest, and I dropped 3 uplinks on the pipes. A little later, my team took the objective thanks to a couple of Orbitals and some good players. Later we did lose, but we would have never taken it without people spawning so close to the objective.
We are getting confused, let's say you deploy 3 from one set, and get resupplied, nothing wrong with that!! But if you deploy three change to suit where you are running a different suit to deploy another 3, rinse and repeat until you deploy upwards of 10-20 in more extreme cases!
This is my problem, you can do this on any suit with an eq slot, so im not blaming logis, but if a logi wants to deploy more than 1 uplink type he should require more than 1 slot to do so.
However I have heard rumours that ccp will change it so if you change suits the equipment will shortcircuit.. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
111
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Posted - 2013.09.22 16:15:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:From what i've understood is something like this:
- I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
- I drop my 2 hives
- i go to the supply depot
- i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
- i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper
This should be fixed But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly.
The scenario you describe would clearly be a bug, and should be fixed. No questions. I suspect at some point this was happening and that is the "bug" originally referenced.
What I am speaking about is, I drop 2 K-2s, go to supply depot, switch to suit with X-3's, drop the X-3's. I now have 4 hives out, 2 K-2's, 2 X-3's. This has been called an exploit by some (not me), who I assume are confusing the bug report for your scenario as referring to mine. |
emtbraincase
Falconpunch Hatesurfers
10
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Posted - 2013.09.22 17:33:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:From what i've understood is something like this:
- I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
- I drop my 2 hives
- i go to the supply depot
- i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
- i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper
This should be fixed But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly. This isn't how it happens at all. I know this for a fact as I am one of the "nanohive spammers". I use adv gal logi suit with proto equip (always carry proto nanite, so assume it is my 3rd equip). It works like this... 1) Spawn in with initial suit containing allotek hives and a stable uplink 2) Drop the 2 allotek and the 1 uplink as allowed by description 3) switch to same/different dropsuit with wyrkomi triage and guaged nano 4) place 2 triage and 3 guaged (as allowed in their descriptions), all remain on the field 5) switch to another suit with K17/d nano and proto rep tool 6) place 2 K17's, all still remain If at any time you drop 1 of the type already in play, it will replace 1 of that type as long as max still deployed, but not any other. This is not putting out more of a hive than stated as it's limit, and it is no different than dying and spawning in with a different suit (as happens while going back and forth to depots in heat of battle).
Just making sure we are all on the same page as to what some are calling an exploit. |
JP Acuna
RoyalSquad514
18
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Posted - 2013.09.22 18:53:00 -
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I think it's just fine. That's the strategic importance of the Supply Depot's location. It's fine as long as equipment work as they should. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
113
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:49:00 -
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emtbraincase wrote:shaman oga wrote:From what i've understood is something like this:
- I have a logi with a K2 nanohive
- I drop my 2 hives
- i go to the supply depot
- i change suit with an assault with K2 nanohives too
- i drop other 2 K2 nanohives and the previous 2 do not disapper
This should be fixed But if i change suit to the same suit my equipment should be resupplied like it's now and if i have different kind of nanohives (for example) i should be able to deploy them simultaneusly. This isn't how it happens at all. I know this for a fact as I am one of the "nanohive spammers". I use adv gal logi suit with proto equip (always carry proto nanite, so assume it is my 3rd equip). It works like this... 1) Spawn in with initial suit containing allotek hives and a stable uplink 2) Drop the 2 allotek and the 1 uplink as allowed by description 3) switch to same/different dropsuit with wyrkomi triage and guaged nano 4) place 2 triage and 3 guaged (as allowed in their descriptions), all remain on the field 5) switch to another suit with K17/d nano and proto rep tool 6) place 2 K17's, all still remain If at any time you drop 1 of the type already in play, it will replace 1 of that type as long as max still deployed, but not any other. This is not putting out more of a hive than stated as it's limit, and it is no different than dying and spawning in with a different suit (as happens while going back and forth to depots in heat of battle). Just making sure we are all on the same page as to what some are calling an exploit.
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Mik3 H0nch0
DUST University Ivy League
37
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Posted - 2013.09.23 02:33:00 -
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I think the easiest solution would be WP for destroying hostile equipment. I already do this without the WP incentive, because it helps my team win. But most blueberries are more concerned with actions that directly benefit them. So I say dangle a carrot in front them, and leave the supply depot function as is. Besides I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I wasn't swapping Logi suits like a mad man responding to various squad request lol. |
Naedeus
DUST University Ivy League
166
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:15:00 -
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The only thing I have a problem with in regards to the supply depot, is someone who is about to die, sprinting away under a hail of gunfire and getting to where they can't be hit anymore (typically on the other side of the supply depot) and changing their suit to a similar one then coming back with full armor and shields...
That's really the only exploit that I find annoying, but I honestly don't care about it because a well placed grenade tends to deal with those annoying players. It would be nice if the supply depots locked the ability to switch your suit when enemies are within 10m of the supply depot. (Keeping in mind that you can still get ammo / equipment from the supply depot.) |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5380
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:19:00 -
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I would try to get my WP by killing stuff, but people don't take kindly to logis getting kills on here. Now it seems like they don't want use to use equipment either. Maybe I should go sit on the redline every battle. |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
272
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Posted - 2013.09.23 04:04:00 -
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If suit/equipment changes are altered in any way, whatsoever, there will no longer be any incentive for logis to invest in every piece of equipment on the market, especially many of the proto uplinks and nanohives that are, for all intents and purposes, totally indiscernible from one another. |
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