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Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 695	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:00:00 - [121] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Couple seconds. :P New turrets and drop ship cloaking will be the hardest of the bunch. 200 man hours each if all goes well unknown if things go to hell. Racial varient of all vehicles. I think that would be the easiest. You have the sockets built. just creating a graphical design around the sockets might be hard means you develop the track systems differently so around 100-150 per new race around 200-300 for both amar and. new vehicle types not needed.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1753	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:05:00 - [122] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: New turrets and drop ship cloaking will be the hardest of the bunch. 200 man hours each if all goes well unknown if things go to hell. Racial varient of all vehicles. I think that would be the easiest. You have the sockets built. just creating a graphical design around the sockets might be hard means you develop the track systems differently so around 100-150 per new race around 200-300 for both amar and. new vehicle types not needed. I'll refer you to my other post. Nguruthos IX wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Hey FourFox, I have a better idea. How about you tell us how many man-hours each of those items would take? This way nobody will have unreal expectations and we can better estimate when features may be arriving. There's no need to be defensive, this post was not entirely in earnest. However I may be laboring under some misapprehensions. I thought vehicle work started way back and was intended to release with 1.4. I thought the concept art and most of these racial models were revealed at FanFest. I thought CCP stated they already intended for new turrets to come out around or at 1.5, and so some of that work had been completed. I thought dropship cloaking had been written about in a dev blog like 4 years ago and the design team had some grasp over how they wanted to implement that. I thought we'd already seen models and or art for the MAV, and two jets. Not the jets from Carbon build that were shown flying in a demo long ago, but new models for Unreal that included animations for landing gear and such. And I thought doing a respec is more a matter of reviewing petitions and clicking some buttons, hence the need for some streamlined system to be built there. That might imply some man hours, but surely just stating to the community that there will be a respec process in the future for racial replacements would not take more than a day to discuss and deliver.
Severus Smith Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 347	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:06:00 - [123] - Quote scuba678 wrote: If the steak comes out wrong and it takes too long an then i make a crusty comment about how long it takes...believe me they aint paying...Maybe we should make people pay first and then screw em later...seems like a good buisness model ehh??maybe for a video game. Just ask your team leader at burger king about it I,m sure he will teach you a thing or too At first I was willing to believe you managed a restaurant. But now, not believing it as much. I hate the be the "grammar police" but my god what is it with forums that makes people so incapable of capitalizing their f*ing I's and using proper spelling / punctuation. As for your "argument" no. The customer paying, and then being screwed later, is a poor business model. However I do not understand how this applies to CCP or DUST since this is a free, let me underline that for you again, free to play game. So it could be s* not worthy of anyone's time and you still didn't lose a dime for it. Also, I bet if you were giving away free steaks and some brat was making a scene about the quality of steak you were serving and why weren't they USDA Prime cuts you'd tell him to shove off. He's not paying you for the steak. You don't need him sitting around everyone else moaning about how crappy your service is when you're serving him a free meal.
Severus Smith Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 347	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:16:00 - [124] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Couple seconds. :P New turrets and drop ship cloaking will be the hardest of the bunch. 200 man hours each if all goes well unknown if things go to hell. Racial varient of all vehicles. I think that would be the easiest. You have the sockets built. just creating a graphical design around the sockets might be hard means you develop the track systems differently so around 100-150 per new race around 200-300 for both amar and. new vehicle types not needed. No. Dropship cloaking alone is more than 200 hours. You're looking at a new art effect (cloak shimmer) which means 1 artist for 1 week (40 hours) minimum. New icons which means a UI artist for 2 - 3 days (24 hours) minimum. 3 to 4 developers (1 for data layer, 1+ for mid layer, 1 for engine) for 2 weeks (240 - 320 hours) minimum. 2 QA testers (1 for data / mid layer, 1 for engine / ui) for 1 week (80 hours). Unknown bugs. So that's roughly 400 - 480 hours of work for dropship cloaking alone and doesn't include design, documentation, approval, integration and playtesting. You divide that up among 10 guys and that's still over a month for one feature. This stuff takes a lot longer than bang head on keyboard for 3 days = dropship cloaking.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1754	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:21:00 - [125] - Quote Severus Smith wrote: scuba678 wrote: If the steak comes out wrong and it takes too long an then i make a crusty comment about how long it takes...believe me they aint paying...Maybe we should make people pay first and then screw em later...seems like a good buisness model ehh??maybe for a video game. Just ask your team leader at burger king about it I,m sure he will teach you a thing or too At first I was willing to believe you managed a restaurant. But now, not believing it as much. I hate the be the "grammar police" but my god what is it with forums that makes people so incapable of capitalizing their f*ing I's and using proper spelling / punctuation. As for your "argument" no. The customer paying, and then being screwed later, is a poor business model. However I do not understand how this applies to CCP or DUST since this is a free, let me underline that for you again, free to play game. So it could be s* not worthy of anyone's time and you still didn't lose a dime for it. Also, I bet if you were giving away free steaks and some brat was making a scene about the quality of steak you were serving and why weren't they USDA Prime cuts you'd tell him to shove off. He's not paying you for the steak. You don't need him sitting around everyone else moaning about how crappy your service is when you're serving him a free meal. completely tangential but that sort of breaks down if it was a "pay what you want" deal. Where someone actually paid. To be fair many people have paid CCP for this game, and sure, they Could tell those customers to shove off, but really it'd not in anyone's interest to be rude like that. Back to the topic at hand, as a software developer you are aware of real world constraints. Of which deadlines are a large factor. You can't spend 100 years writing the perfect software for a customer who has long since died or gone bankrupt. Time for CCP does not translate as finitely as a deadline, but there is certainly a number. Invisible, somewhere in this deterministic universe there is a point at which the game could fail for lack of delivering content X by time Y. Hard to pinpoint but hard to ignore. The signs do not look good, and something has to give. There is also the possibility of a game being sustained, but still a failed success. Look at how many MMO's in the past couple years even have released with such high potential, only to crash down instantly. (Most of which suffered from bad launch syndrome as well. Could that be a precursor ?) Many resorting to FTP models after that, and some simply dying. If the best Dust can hope to do is struggle along, barely scraping by enough players to break even then it's as good as dead.
Severus Smith Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 347	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:31:00 - [126] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: completely tangential but that sort of breaks down if it was a "pay what you want" deal. Where someone actually paid. To be fair many people have paid CCP for this game, and sure, they Could tell those customers to shove off, but really it'd not in anyone's interest to be rude like that. Back to the topic at hand, as a software developer you are aware of real world constraints. Of which deadlines are a large factor. You can't spend 100 years writing the perfect software for a customer who has long since died or gone bankrupt. Time for CCP does not translate as finitely as a deadline, but there is certainly a number. Invisible, somewhere in this deterministic universe there is a point at which the game could fail for lack of delivering content X by time Y. Hard to pinpoint but hard to ignore. The signs do not look good, and something has to give. There is also the possibility of a game being sustained, but still a failed success. Look at how many MMO's in the past couple years even have released with such high potential, only to crash down instantly. Many resorting to FTP models after that, and some simply dying. If the best Dust can hope to do is struggle along, barely scraping by enough players to break even then it's as good as dead. Ok, you've got a head on your shoulders and are right. I am not saying this game is perfect. Or that CCP should go back to biannual releases where the entire thing is perfect. Big stuff needs to change, and it will (hopefully next month). However, the point of issue I am having is with the mob of idiots who froth at the mouth for information on upcoming releases, then when the get it froth at the mouth again when said releases are pushed back due to them being incomplete. It's this attitude that makes developers use the much hated Soon(tm) timeframe. Because the mob can't seem to grasp the simple concept that, in software development, nothing is concrete. Bugs happen, code breaks, and other tasks become higher priority. Things get pushed back or re imagined, or shelved for a myriad of reasons. So, if we want CCP to tell us things like release dates or what will be coming soon we can't scream like immature children when they get pushed back. These dates / deliverables are estimates. They even present them as estimates but the mob writes "X item (confirmed)" a million times and then expects it as a promise and screams about how CCP lied to them when it doesn't happen that month.
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 460	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:34:00 - [127] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Don't you guys just wish very hard and the things are ready for release? I just think without an EP now to give you that extra boost of power, your wishes are firing at half-strength.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 758	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:37:00 - [128] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Probably go fast when you vikings aren't feasting.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 432	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:56:00 - [129] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? You guys had a full year to get this ** done But as far as we've heard, your art team is still stuck in the concept art stage of doodling pictures on their tablts. A ***** YEAR OF NOTHING BUT CONCEPT ART.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1004	Posted - 2013.09.19 16:59:00 - [130] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Not as long as you guys take. Bazinga.

Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 180	Posted - 2013.09.19 17:21:00 - [131] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Ouch 1.6 its not on his list?
scuba678 The.Red.Kings 4	Posted - 2013.09.19 17:39:00 - [132] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Severus Smith wrote: scuba678 wrote: If the steak comes out wrong and it takes too long an then i make a crusty comment about how long it takes...believe me they aint paying...Maybe we should make people pay first and then screw em later...seems like a good buisness model ehh??maybe for a video game. Just ask your team leader at burger king about it I,m sure he will teach you a thing or too At first I was willing to believe you managed a restaurant. But now, not believing it as much. I hate the be the "grammar police" but my god what is it with forums that makes people so incapable of capitalizing their f*ing I's and using proper spelling / punctuation. As for your "argument" no. The customer paying, and then being screwed later, is a poor business model. However I do not understand how this applies to CCP or DUST since this is a free, let me underline that for you again, free to play game. So it could be s* not worthy of anyone's time and you still didn't lose a dime for it. Also, I bet if you were giving away free steaks and some brat was making a scene about the quality of steak you were serving and why weren't they USDA Prime cuts you'd tell him to shove off. He's not paying you for the steak. You don't need him sitting around everyone else moaning about how crappy your service is when you're serving him a free meal. completely tangential but that sort of breaks down if it was a "pay what you want" deal. Where someone actually paid. To be fair many people have paid CCP for this game, and sure, they Could tell those customers to shove off, but really it'd not in anyone's interest to be rude like that. Back to the topic at hand, as a software developer you are aware of real world constraints. Of which deadlines are a large factor. You can't spend 100 years writing the perfect software for a customer who has long since died or gone bankrupt. Time for CCP does not translate as finitely as a deadline, but there is certainly a number. Invisible, somewhere in this deterministic universe there is a point at which the game could fail for lack of delivering content X by time Y. Hard to pinpoint but hard to ignore. The signs do not look good, and something has to give. There is also the possibility of a game being sustained, but still a failed success. Look at how many MMO's in the past couple years even have released with such high potential, only to crash down instantly. (Most of which suffered from bad launch syndrome as well. Could that be a precursor ?) Many resorting to FTP models after that, and some simply dying. If the best Dust can hope to do is struggle along, barely scraping by enough players to break even then it's as good as dead. The customer is always right......I didnt invent that statement...it has existed for many years.....no matter what you say it will be and its being said for a reason. Any buisness that does not follow this simple guideline will fall to the competion who does. Your gonna call me on grammer and Capitalization..spelling?really...im busy trying to AFK farm 3 characters right now and out of al the tasks I'm handling right now having a conversation with somebody who is very clearly not thinking withlogic is not high enough priority for spelling and grammer I didnt even realize that i was posting with my alt right now...but for the record...I am challenging you to a fight with my main -me and you in a squad(no marking or orbitals) Most WP wins 10 million from the other...and loser posts no more on this thread... Everybody see's this so go ahead let me know where and when Lets see how confident you are with your 600,000 sp and your free fits
scuba678 The.Red.Kings 4	Posted - 2013.09.19 17:41:00 - [133] - Quote scuba678 wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Severus Smith wrote: scuba678 wrote: If the steak comes out wrong and it takes too long an then i make a crusty comment about how long it takes...believe me they aint paying...Maybe we should make people pay first and then screw em later...seems like a good buisness model ehh??maybe for a video game. Just ask your team leader at burger king about it I,m sure he will teach you a thing or too At first I was willing to believe you managed a restaurant. But now, not believing it as much. I hate the be the "grammar police" but my god what is it with forums that makes people so incapable of capitalizing their f*ing I's and using proper spelling / punctuation. As for your "argument" no. The customer paying, and then being screwed later, is a poor business model. However I do not understand how this applies to CCP or DUST since this is a free, let me underline that for you again, free to play game. So it could be s* not worthy of anyone's time and you still didn't lose a dime for it. Also, I bet if you were giving away free steaks and some brat was making a scene about the quality of steak you were serving and why weren't they USDA Prime cuts you'd tell him to shove off. He's not paying you for the steak. You don't need him sitting around everyone else moaning about how crappy your service is when you're serving him a free meal. completely tangential but that sort of breaks down if it was a "pay what you want" deal. Where someone actually paid. To be fair many people have paid CCP for this game, and sure, they Could tell those customers to shove off, but really it'd not in anyone's interest to be rude like that. Back to the topic at hand, as a software developer you are aware of real world constraints. Of which deadlines are a large factor. You can't spend 100 years writing the perfect software for a customer who has long since died or gone bankrupt. Time for CCP does not translate as finitely as a deadline, but there is certainly a number. Invisible, somewhere in this deterministic universe there is a point at which the game could fail for lack of delivering content X by time Y. Hard to pinpoint but hard to ignore. The signs do not look good, and something has to give. There is also the possibility of a game being sustained, but still a failed success. Look at how many MMO's in the past couple years even have released with such high potential, only to crash down instantly. (Most of which suffered from bad launch syndrome as well. Could that be a precursor ?) Many resorting to FTP models after that, and some simply dying. If the best Dust can hope to do is struggle along, barely scraping by enough players to break even then it's as good as dead. The customer is always right......I didnt invent that statement...it has existed for many years.....no matter what you say it will be and its being said for a reason. Any buisness that does not follow this simple guideline will fall to the competion who does. Your gonna call me on grammer and Capitalization..spelling?really...im busy trying to AFK farm 3 characters right now and out of al the tasks I'm handling right now having a conversation with somebody who is very clearly not thinking withlogic is not high enough priority for spelling and grammer I didnt even realize that i was posting with my alt right now...but for the record...I am challenging you to a fight with my main -me and you in a squad(no marking or orbitals) Most WP wins 10 million from the other...and loser posts no more on this thread... Everybody see's this so go ahead let me know where and when Lets see how confident you are with your 600,000 sp and your free fits If you dont have 10 million..i will except any amount at anytime..for this challenge
Severus Smith Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 348	Posted - 2013.09.19 18:45:00 - [134] - Quote scuba678 wrote: The customer is always right......I didnt invent that statement...it has existed for many years.....no matter what you say it will be and its being said for a reason. Any buisness that does not follow this simple guideline will fall to the competion who does. Your gonna call me on grammer and Capitalization..spelling?really...im busy trying to AFK farm 3 characters right now and out of al the tasks I'm handling right now having a conversation with somebody who is very clearly not thinking withlogic is not high enough priority for spelling and grammer I didnt even realize that i was posting with my alt right now...but for the record...I am challenging you to a fight with my main -me and you in a squad(no marking or orbitals) Most WP wins 10 million from the other...and loser posts no more on this thread... Everybody see's this so go ahead let me know where and when Lets see how confident you are with your 600,000 sp and your free fits oO Well now everyone, s*** just got real. He went and got his pullups in a twist and now is calling down a fight with his main! Forget logic and intelligence; video games are the ultimate argument decider! Yeah... I'm gonna decline. I'm busy at work right now, and tonight I have plans with my wife; so I'll leave you to take your childish virtual duels elsewhere. As for the grammar part, I'll admit that was a low point on my part. I removed it from my OP a minute after I posted it. Unfortunately for me someone snagged it in a quote before I hit the submit edit button. Apologies. I still don't get why people don't use better grammar on forums (or emails and text messages) but it was low to call you out specifically on it. Back on topic: I wish people would stop and just think about these requests and realize that they aren't easy or quick to make. Hence CCP FoxFours question.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 641	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:02:00 - [135] - Quote All devs be like. "I'm gonna level up every weapon skill to 3" No devs be like. "I'm gonna level up HAV operation to skill to 1"
Orca Amsel Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 459	Posted - 2013.09.19 19:54:00 - [136] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Out of curiosity how many man hours have you guys wasted developing this game over the past 7 years?
Touchy McHealz Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2013.09.20 19:49:00 - [137] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Are you ..... trying to imply you don't have a pipeline for new content set up? Your graphics team is constantly doing 1-off solutions? Each turret and vehicle is custom built, there is no workflow to slightly modify and tweak, all or nothing? Is your DB that unorganized that you can't run a query and get the total number of SPs by category, add it to another column, and then 0 out the others? Are new features really that ungodly difficult to impliment that any suggestion that the game actually get finished gets met with dev snark and no real answer? You want numbers, here you go. All racial variants introduced. Artwork - 5-10k$ to get an Asian company to do your assets for you. Done in 1-2 weeks. Everything. Including rework. Your art team sucks and drags ass, recognize it now and outsource your art. Initial Implimentation - 2 point task. Dev takes existing vehicles, clones them, applies the new artwork. (placeholder art can be used while waiting for outsourcing) Tech artist makes sure new models and textures dont suck, normals aren't screwed, and collision volumes don't act weird. 2 point task. Tuning - 5 point task, 1 engineer 1 designer. Introduce individual flavor by tweaking numbers and playtesting. UI work - 2 point task. 1 UI dev updates all the relevent market, inventory, fitting, etc. windows. Total time, 2 weeks. Total staff, 3 engineers, 1 designer, outsourcing firm. Total cost. 15-25k $, depending on staff. New turrets, as above. Respec, 1 engineer. 1 SQL query. 2 hours to run the query (worst case scenario, accomplished during long patch downtime). Don't make molehills into mountains, and try and make this more complex than it really is. EVE players have been given the "art team is overworked" excuse for years. YOUR ART TEAM BLOWS GOATS, OUTSOURCE THAT SHIZZZ.
Bubbles moon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:22:00 - [138] - Quote Zekain K wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? You guys had a full year to get this ** done But as far as we've heard, your art team is still stuck in the concept art stage of doodling pictures on their tablts. A ***** YEAR OF NOTHING BUT CONCEPT ART. exactly where is the finished art... what the hell are the artists there doing... speaking professional game artist...
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1761	Posted - 2013.09.20 20:26:00 - [139] - Quote Bubbles moon wrote: Zekain K wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? You guys had a full year to get this ** done But as far as we've heard, your art team is still stuck in the concept art stage of doodling pictures on their tablts. A ***** YEAR OF NOTHING BUT CONCEPT ART. exactly where is the finished art... what the hell are the artists there doing... speaking professional game artist... What sort of art do you work on? can you do drawings / 3d models and animation?
Sparta447 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:40:00 - [140] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? a respec for vehicle users? you tell me since youve done respecs before... whats the problem now? your hands cramped or something for falling over? exactly and the reason they had the respec last time was for the new skills and suits ad stuf... now there not bringing in new stuf but their dramatically changing it!



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