Hmm, didn't the ships, suits, etc. have concept art and some modeling done back at fanfest? If so, then the path to completion is something more like finishing up the modeling and the design element that is "stats/balance". The weapons were apparently usable back in fanfest (referring to the missing rifles here), as the dev talked about how nice they looked and how they felt to play with. That was... May?

So, I would think the amount of man-hours for the missing rifles/pistols specifically (if they already had models and were being play-tested) would be relatively small; it's more a matter of balance, and the theoretical role/range profile/etc. was already talked about in a blog since then. Fanfest was over 4 months ago now.

So, on that logic, the weapons should've have already been released if they were already at the point of being tested and having models back then. It makes you wonder on that point if they just withhold things for balancing purposes, since if they don't really get balanced till after being released to us, it might be quicker to have us in on that element.

The vehicles/suits that are missing weren't modeled/playable at the time of fanfest. So, that's basically 2 missing dropships, 2 missing havs, 2 missing lavs, 2 missing light suits, and 3 missing heavy suits (ignore things like missing MCCs, RDVs, etc. for the moment since those are more cosmetic and impact player experience to a lesser degree.). So, of 11 missing models as of four months ago, how are finished now? Presumably the people making maps aren't the same ones making these models.

I feel evil for saying, but there is not 50k players playing dust at once. That is total in EVE universe (Eve Online and Dust) There's usually only 10% of that number on dust. That's why we worry.

Ones that are play tested are shells, they miss alot of coding, le reload animation, hip, to scope, scope to hip, how the bullets look, lighging effects from the gun, lighting on the gun, finalised stats, being added to infantry system being worked into current objects, all take a lot of time!!

Toxic community sucks

I don't think it takes 4 months though.

Mass Effect 3 had a multiplayer mode with its own little dev team, right? It was just a side-mode to a larger game, and they had a separate much smaller team to work on that. Mass Effect 3 also uses the Unreal Engine, so modeling/rendering, etc. is similar. Both are also online shooters.

Mass Effect 3 launched in March of that year.

Resurgence expansion launched in April (1 month later):
2 new maps, 6 more playable characters, 3 new weapons, 4 new consumable items

the Rebellion expansion launched that May for it (2 months later):
2 new maps, 3 new weapons, 6 new playable characters, new equipment slot, new game objective/mode

Earth was released in July (4 months later):
3 new maps, 3 new weapons, 6 more playable characters, 5 weapon mods, 11 gear upgrades, new objective/mode, new difficultly level

Retaliation was released in October (7 months later):
6 variant maps add environmental conditions changing the nature of battle, 16 new characters, 3 weapons, a new enemy faction, 3 new ammo types, 5 new types of gear

Reckoning was released in February (11 months later):
6 more characters, 7 weapons, 5 weapon mods, 2 gear upgrades

These expansions included newly modeled/animated/rendered/voiced/etc. weapons, characters (player models), and maps. Within 1 month of release 3 weapons modeled, animated, etc. and integrated with all prior existing models, and the new 6 characters. In two months, 3 more weapons, 6 more characters, 2 more maps, and in 4 months, another 3 weapons, 6 characters, etc.

All of this happened at the same time as weapons being balanced (balance was tweaked weekly), bug fixes, gameplay mode expansion, and adding new maps.

So, in 4 months, that's 7 maps, 9 weapons, and 18 characters (about 9 actually different models, though you can adjust appearance on them) aside from the other stuff they did. The weapons were also moddable (you can add things like barrel extensions and scopes that visually change the weapon).

In 4 months in Dust, (since Fanfest had the weapons playable) we've seen ZERO new suits, ZERO new weapons, and some new maps.

It takes time to model and animate things, but as another dev team shows using the same engine - it doesn't take that long.

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

Oh wow i did know that. Wel it explaines why i see the same people so much in matches.

Actually, we're currently topping out at just over 3k concurrent users:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

In case you didn't notice, he just made a statement that would actually speak to the effectiveness of the new matchmaking system, since it would of course be trying to put him in battles with people of his skill level.

But he blames it on declining player count.

lul

Actually, we're currently topping out at just over 3k concurrent users:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

Yes true, but also consider
larger dev team
Many characters came from pre-exsisting models
Most weapons used were infact already developed
majority of maps were 1 player arenas

so really your looking at 3maps, 4 weapons, 2 characters
and then people slated it because pistols were too powerful
despite the fact it was co op!

A couple of days max. Because at this point I'm just sick and tired of waiting, and really don't give a **** anymore. Here look I'll demonstrate:

"New turret types":

Minmatar small turret:

Take three small missile turrets and scale them down in size. Angle them upward. Attach them to the top of one turret stand. Take the mass driver projectile animation bend the arc on the projectile flight path and extend the flight time. Paint the whole thing redish brown. Specs are eyeballed, best ballpark. The community can play test it for us. Simple numerical modifications can be made in the following several days after release.

BLAM!!!! Minmatar small artillery turret.

Minmatar large turret:

Take the large missile turret and angle the turret upward. Take the animation from the massdriver projectile and scale up the size a little. Do the same as above with the projectile flight path. Paint the thing redish brown. Eyeballed stats.

BLAM!!!!-áMinmatar large artillery turret.

Amarr small turret:

Combine a blaster turret and the animation from the laser rifle. Scale the laser animation up in size a bit. Paint the whole thing gold. Eyeballed stats.

BLAM!!!! Amarr laser turret.

Amarr large turret:

Same as above.

BLAM!!!! Done.

"A respec for vehicle users":

We've already seen how this works. Start immediately.

BLAM!!!! Done.

"Dropship cloaking":

Module is activated dropship animation is removed. Nothing fancy just gone. Specs are eyeballed.

BLAM!!!! Dropship cloaking. Done!

"A new vehicle type":

Speeder:

Take the animation from the LAV. Split the animation down the center. Cut roughly one meter from the center side of each half. Reattach both halves. Take the animation, and, -áfrom front to rear end, squish the animation together slightly (should only have two wheels after it is done). Stats are eyeballed.

BLAM!!!! Speeders.

Race variants:

Take the Gallente stuff (tanks, LAVs, speeders) and paint it gold. All stats are eyeballed for community testing.

BLAM!!!! Amarr suff.

Take the Caldari stuff and paint it redish brown. Copy and past some of the art from the Minmatar medium frame dropsuit (like canisters and all that other crap, scale them up a bit) and slap that stuff onto the Cal vehicles.-áAll stats are eyeballed for community testing.

BLAM!!!! Minmatar stuff.

BLAM!!!! Done!!!!

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

Wowza yeah sarcasm from a dev thats what we need right now at this point of the game.
A dev in this point in the game has no right to use sarcasm on its players.
Dont forget 50k players is childsplay compared to the few mil that play either CoD or BF.
Thank god you have people that play this game, so you better take care of the little playerbase you got.

~Racial variants of all vehicles.
~New turret types
~A respec for vehicle users
~Dropship cloaking
~A new vehicle type

~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content.


These would be a good reason for having to wait another month.

OP is asking for too much.
but still 1.6 better have more **** than 1.5 was offering.

I'm starting to get a little put off by this game. Which, in all my time I've just been frustrated. Never put off

That's why I said, "On and around the vehicle update." I also would add the pilot suit to that list. Also, since you birng it up, why haven't the devs been working on them?

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

~Racial variants of all vehicles.
~New turret types
~A respec for vehicle users
~Dropship cloaking
~A new vehicle type

~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content.

These would be a good reason for having to wait another month.

Mostly because they have no idea what they want to do with vehicles and by extension pilot suits.

I agree with whoever said that Dust needs some new content fast, even unbalanced or buggy ("since that's how we get it anyways"), before the game dries out anymore.

Basically the risk of releasing unpolished content, at this point, does not out weigh the risk of releasing nothing. And again, it'll come out that way anyhow so why not speed up that process and include us in it earlier.