DUST Search - Since Vehicle Rebalance was deplayed past 1.5, I SURE hope 1.6 will have

Ignoble Son wrote:

CCP FoxFour wrote:

Nguruthos IX wrote:

~Racial variants of all vehicles.
~New turret types
~A respec for vehicle users
~Dropship cloaking
~A new vehicle type

~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content.

These would be a good reason for having to wait another month.

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

A couple of days max. Because at this point I'm just sick and tired of waiting, and really don't give a **** anymore. Here look I'll demonstrate:

"New turret types":

Minmatar small turret:

Take three small missile turrets and scale them down in size. Angle them upward. Attach them to the top of one turret stand. Take the mass driver projectile animation bend the arc on the projectile flight path and extend the flight time. Paint the whole thing redish brown. Specs are eyeballed, best ballpark. The community can play test it for us. Simple numerical modifications can be made in the following several days after release.

BLAM!!!! Minmatar small artillery turret.

Minmatar large turret:

Take the large missile turret and angle the turret upward. Take the animation from the massdriver projectile and scale up the size a little. Do the same as above with the projectile flight path. Paint the thing redish brown. Eyeballed stats.

BLAM!!!!-áMinmatar large artillery turret.

Amarr small turret:

Combine a blaster turret and the animation from the laser rifle. Scale the laser animation up in size a bit. Paint the whole thing gold. Eyeballed stats.

BLAM!!!! Amarr laser turret.

Amarr large turret:

Same as above.

BLAM!!!! Done.

"A respec for vehicle users":

We've already seen how this works. Start immediately.

BLAM!!!! Done.

"Dropship cloaking":

Module is activated dropship animation is removed. Nothing fancy just gone. Specs are eyeballed.

BLAM!!!! Dropship cloaking. Done!

"A new vehicle type":

Speeder:

Take the animation from the LAV. Split the animation down the center. Cut roughly one meter from the center side of each half. Reattach both halves. Take the animation, and, -áfrom front to rear end, squish the animation together slightly (should only have two wheels after it is done). Stats are eyeballed.

BLAM!!!! Speeders.

Race variants:

Take the Gallente stuff (tanks, LAVs, speeders) and paint it gold. All stats are eyeballed for community testing.

BLAM!!!! Amarr suff.

Take the Caldari stuff and paint it redish brown. Copy and past some of the art from the Minmatar medium frame dropsuit (like canisters and all that other crap, scale them up a bit) and slap that stuff onto the Cal vehicles.-áAll stats are eyeballed for community testing.

BLAM!!!! Minmatar stuff.

BLAM!!!! Done!!!!

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Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1721	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:16:00 - [1] - Quote ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6314	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:20:00 - [2] - Quote I wouldn't hold your breath on any of those
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1722	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:23:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I wouldn't hold your breath on any of those But they've got a whole extra month =D

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 118016	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:24:00 - [4] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 301	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:27:00 - [5] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Over 9000! about 200-1000 man hours to implement then 10000man hours to work the bugs out and that's per feature.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6314	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:27:00 - [6] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? No clue, but how many man hours are in one and a half years, you know, the amount of time it took to fix the PG on Logi dropships?
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1722	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:27:00 - [7] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? To do it right, or to do it at all? Oh I'm sure you could have a terribly unbalanced, buggy as hell, prototype of each of them given 2 months, right? :P That's assuming some work has already been done, as we've seen some jet models, racial variant models, etc.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 721	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:39:00 - [8] - Quote CCP use agile development (as opposed to waterfall) for a reason: Waterfall: get everything you want, but not on time Agile: get it on time, but lose some items The benefit of the agile approach is that you can push items that aren't ready yet into the next development cycle, without delaying delivery of what actually is ready. It's kinda win-win in that regard.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1781	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:43:00 - [9] - Quote OP is asking for too much. but still 1.6 better have more **** than 1.5 was offering. I'm starting to get a little put off by this game. Which, in all my time I've just been frustrated. Never put off
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 88	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:45:00 - [10] - Quote They have their hands full with the current tanks, figuring out a base guideline to follow to balance out with infantry. We all want new stuff, but we want to be able to enjoy it at the same time. It all takes balance, which is a never ending thing. The Devs are clearly pushed to their limits as is. Always best when you break your problems down into smaller pieces and take one step at a time. As much as I hate this imbalance, and lack of content, this is the only game I play. It's the only game that can hold my interest longer then a week!

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6320	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:47:00 - [11] - Quote 100 ISK says they put off any real dropship changes till after 1.6
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 52	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:47:00 - [12] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? a respec for vehicle users? you tell me since youve done respecs before... whats the problem now? your hands cramped or something for falling over?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6323	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:51:00 - [13] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: a respec for vehicle users? you tell me since youve done respecs before... whats the problem now? your hands cramped or something for falling over? This is why we can't have nice things.
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 53	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:51:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? No clue, but how many man hours are in one and a half years, you know, the amount of time it took to fix the PG on Logi dropships? or how about after openly admitting that armor reps for vehicles had a bug that allowed them to rep three times as much as theyre supposed? you still havent fixed that lol
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6323	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:51:00 - [15] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: or how about after openly admitting that armor reps for vehicles had a bug that allowed them to rep three times as much as theyre supposed? you still havent fixed that lol Yes, please, for the love of God nerf dropships more. That will help, a lot.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1723	Posted - 2013.09.18 15:57:00 - [16] - Quote Obviously it's a lot to do the original 1.5, and any few of these things I listed. However what brought us to this place, in part, was a lack of foresight (Probably via Blam). It will be more difficult to balance new vehicles and turrets if they are not included at 1.6 or quickly in a consequent patch. Especially if by then it's not already planned what sort of fittings, roles, and features they will have. On a side note, the total man hours promise future racial respecs is not too high. It takes acknowledgement of the problem, admitting it, having a team conversation about it, and writing up a dev blog explaining how racial respecs will work and why they are fair or the right thing to do.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1725	Posted - 2013.09.18 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? a respec for vehicle users? you tell me since youve done respecs before... whats the problem now? your hands cramped or something for falling over? Apparently it looks like they have not built a good automated system for respecs yet. Hence why it was a pain to do last time. Might be something to consider making, given the slow trickle of new content and inevitable balance passes, skill changes, core mechanic alteration, and in some cases Complete Overhauls (see 1.6 vehicles).
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1629	Posted - 2013.09.18 16:13:00 - [18] - Quote You guys do work on computers right? Why can't you just make the computers do some of the work for you?
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 149	Posted - 2013.09.18 16:14:00 - [19] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? No clue, but how many man hours are in one and a half years, you know, the amount of time it took to fix the PG on Logi dropships? or how about after openly admitting that armor reps for vehicles had a bug that allowed them to rep three times as much as theyre supposed? you still havent fixed that lol Thats was left in at the request of vehicle users because of the rebalance.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 694	Posted - 2013.09.18 16:15:00 - [20] - Quote Their never coming out, I gave up hoping, Vehicles have needed somthing for ages and it gets delayed, yet if it was a nerf they'd e all over that ****

Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1726	Posted - 2013.09.18 16:22:00 - [21] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Their never coming out, I gave up hoping, Vehicles have needed somthing for ages and it gets delayed, yet if it was a nerf they'd e all over that **** maybe thats the one optimistic take away here lol.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 306	Posted - 2013.09.18 16:41:00 - [22] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? A couple of days max. Because at this point I'm just sick and tired of waiting, and really don't give a **** anymore. Here look I'll demonstrate: "New turret types": Minmatar small turret: Take three small missile turrets and scale them down in size. Angle them upward. Attach them to the top of one turret stand. Take the mass driver projectile animation bend the arc on the projectile flight path and extend the flight time. Paint the whole thing brownish red. Specs are eyeballed, best ballpark. The community can play test it for us. Simple numerical modifications can be made in the following several days after release. BLAM!!!! Minmatar small artillery turret. Minmatar large turret: Take the large missile turret and angle the turret upward. Take the animation from the massdriver projectile and scale up the size a little. Do the same as above with the projectile flight path. Paint the thing redish brown. Eyeballed stats. BLAM!!!!-áMinmatar large artillery turret. Amarr small turret: Combine a blaster turret and the animation from the laser rifle. Scale the laser animation up in size a bit. Paint the whole thing gold. Eyeballed stats. BLAM!!!! Amarr laser turret. Amarr large turret: Same as above. BLAM!!!! Done. "A respec for vehicle users": We've already seen how this works. Start immediately. BLAM!!!! Done. "Dropship cloaking": Module is activated dropship animation is removed. Nothing fancy just gone. Specs are eyeballed. BLAM!!!! Dropship cloaking. Done! "A new vehicle type": Speeder: Take the animation from the LAV. Split the animation down the center. Cut roughly one meter from the center side of each half. Reattach both halves. Take the animation, and, -áfrom front to rear end, squish the animation together slightly (should only have two wheels after it is done). Stats are eyeballed. BLAM!!!! Speeders. Race variants: Take the Gallente stuff (tanks, LAVs, speeders) and paint it gold. All stats are eyeballed for community testing. Stats are eyeballed. BLAM!!!! Amarr suff. Take the Caldari stuff and paint it redish brown. Copy and past some of the art from the Minmatar medium frame dropsuit (like canisters and all that other crap) and slap that stuff onto the Cal vehicles.-áAll stats are eyeballed for community testing. Stats are eyeballed. BLAM!!!! Minmatar stuff. BLAM!!!! Done!!!!
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 1051	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:05:00 - [23] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? You guys need interns... without interns an office can't operate. it reduces office stress . Just don't end up like this guy
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 750	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:09:00 - [24] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. Don't need that. Just save your SP.
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 1726	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:17:00 - [25] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. Don't need that. Just save your SP. Herp Derp So if you want to play an amarr dropship but they won't be out for 3 years, then either don't play dust, or waste your SP. Brilliant plan! Same goes for all the suits missing racials and weapons and so forth.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6335	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:20:00 - [26] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. Don't need that. Just save your SP. ::facepalm::
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 537	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:25:00 - [27] - Quote Ignoble Son wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? A couple of days max. Because at this point I'm just sick and tired of waiting, and really don't give a **** anymore. Here look I'll demonstrate: "New turret types": Minmatar small turret: Take three small missile turrets and scale them down in size. Angle them upward. Attach them to the top of one turret stand. Take the mass driver projectile animation bend the arc on the projectile flight path and extend the flight time. Paint the whole thing redish brown. Specs are eyeballed, best ballpark. The community can play test it for us. Simple numerical modifications can be made in the following several days after release. BLAM!!!! Minmatar small artillery turret. Minmatar large turret: Take the large missile turret and angle the turret upward. Take the animation from the massdriver projectile and scale up the size a little. Do the same as above with the projectile flight path. Paint the thing redish brown. Eyeballed stats. BLAM!!!!-áMinmatar large artillery turret. Amarr small turret: Combine a blaster turret and the animation from the laser rifle. Scale the laser animation up in size a bit. Paint the whole thing gold. Eyeballed stats. BLAM!!!! Amarr laser turret. Amarr large turret: Same as above. BLAM!!!! Done. "A respec for vehicle users": We've already seen how this works. Start immediately. BLAM!!!! Done. "Dropship cloaking": Module is activated dropship animation is removed. Nothing fancy just gone. Specs are eyeballed. BLAM!!!! Dropship cloaking. Done! "A new vehicle type": Speeder: Take the animation from the LAV. Split the animation down the center. Cut roughly one meter from the center side of each half. Reattach both halves. Take the animation, and, -áfrom front to rear end, squish the animation together slightly (should only have two wheels after it is done). Stats are eyeballed. BLAM!!!! Speeders. Race variants: Take the Gallente stuff (tanks, LAVs, speeders) and paint it gold. All stats are eyeballed for community testing. BLAM!!!! Amarr suff. Take the Caldari stuff and paint it redish brown. Copy and past some of the art from the Minmatar medium frame dropsuit (like canisters and all that other crap, scale them up a bit) and slap that stuff onto the Cal vehicles.-áAll stats are eyeballed for community testing. BLAM!!!! Minmatar stuff. BLAM!!!! Done!!!! Really? You really think its that easy? Well the unreal engine is free for private use, so why don't you try? Tell me how long it takes, you really think its as easy as copy, paste?
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 537	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:28:00 - [28] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: ~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type ~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content. These would be a good reason for having to wait another month. Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? You guys need interns... without interns an office can't operate. it reduces office stress . Just don't end up like this guy I'd love to be an intern at a dev company!! Hire me!!
The Attorney General ZionTCD 924	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:37:00 - [29] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Out of curiosity, how long do you expect people to be civil in waiting for things promised months ago? Out of curiosity, how long do you expect people to wait around while you get your house in order? Out of curiosity, does CCP get some sort of stat when someone biomasses their character?
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 537	Posted - 2013.09.18 17:50:00 - [30] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? Out of curiosity, how long do you expect people to be civil in waiting for things promised months ago? Out of curiosity, how long do you expect people to wait around while you get your house in order? Out of curiosity, does CCP get some sort of stat when someone biomasses their character? I feel obliged to tell you, this isn't a bi-annual release, on the same engine as it has been since its first release! This isn't the kind of game where you make 1-2 games per platform, this isn't a game that operates on its own dedicated servers just for this game and this game alone!! You have every right to be a little annoyed, but whining about it doesn't help!!



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