I wouldn't hold your breath on any of those

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

a respec for vehicle users? you tell me since youve done respecs before... whats the problem now? your hands cramped or something for falling over?

Their never coming out, I gave up hoping, Vehicles have needed somthing for ages and it gets delayed, yet if it was a nerf they'd e all over that ****

Don't need that. Just save your SP.

Holy **** at these responses.

CCP, put the entire vehicle rebalancing back on the shelf and bust out other developments.

These entitled little ungrateful pricks don't deserve balanced vehicles.

For fucks sake.

Edit - BTW, what i said is an insult. Asking ONE guy a legit question for "expecting" thousands of hours of manpower of code isn't a ******* insult. It's called being polite. Go ******* yell at your mommy to raise you better if you can't handle a polite response from someone.

Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?

thousands. as for respecs I have no idea how you even begin to code that...

Hmm, didn't the ships, suits, etc. have concept art and some modeling done back at fanfest? If so, then the path to completion is something more like finishing up the modeling and the design element that is "stats/balance". The weapons were apparently usable back in fanfest (referring to the missing rifles here), as the dev talked about how nice they looked and how they felt to play with. That was... May?

So, I would think the amount of man-hours for the missing rifles/pistols specifically (if they already had models and were being play-tested) would be relatively small; it's more a matter of balance, and the theoretical role/range profile/etc. was already talked about in a blog since then. Fanfest was over 4 months ago now.

So, on that logic, the weapons should've have already been released if they were already at the point of being tested and having models back then. It makes you wonder on that point if they just withhold things for balancing purposes, since if they don't really get balanced till after being released to us, it might be quicker to have us in on that element.

The vehicles/suits that are missing weren't modeled/playable at the time of fanfest. So, that's basically 2 missing dropships, 2 missing havs, 2 missing lavs, 2 missing light suits, and 3 missing heavy suits (ignore things like missing MCCs, RDVs, etc. for the moment since those are more cosmetic and impact player experience to a lesser degree.). So, of 11 missing models as of four months ago, how are finished now? Presumably the people making maps aren't the same ones making these models.

That's why I said, "On and around the vehicle update." I also would add the pilot suit to that list. Also, since you birng it up, why haven't the devs been working on them?

If you think that throwing more money at a coding problem will make it happen faster you need to get the f*** out of IT.

Listen, I am a software developer. I work on applications for oil companies, brokerage firms and large energy companies with project budgets larger than CCP's annual income. Coding accounts for <40% of our time. Most of it is is investigation, design, approval, mockup, approval, (then coding), then unit tests, then fixing, then unit tests again, then QA pass, then staging release, then more QA tests, then full integration tests, then production release planning, then the production mock release, then (finally) the production release.

They are on a 1 month agile release cycle which means 1 week of investigation, design, approval. Then a 2 week sprint of coding. Then 1 week of QA, integration testing and release. And that's if everything works out perfectly. If they find a nasty bug then they miss the release and make it to the next one.

Throwing money at a problem helps to bring on more resources to spread out work. But suddenly adding 10 more programmers wont speed things up, in fact (most times) it slows things down as you need to dedicate man hours to training the new resources and deal with the bugs they will introduce due to not being familiar with the code. Eventually they will get up to speed, but even then you'll probably run into the problem of "too many hands in the cookie jar" which causes you to have to divvy up tasks into micro-projects which causes a nightmare with code merges / task management.


- You yell when CCP doesn't tell you what's coming in the next patch.

- Then when they do tell you whats coming you yell when it's delayed due to it being buggy and scream "release it anyway".

- Then when they do release it anyway you yell that they don't know what they're doing and the new feature is broken and shouldn't have been released.

- Then they don't tell you **** and you yell but they ignore you because no matter what they do you're going to yell.


So for everyone commenting here who doesn't work as a programmer, shut up. I don't come into your workplace and tell you how to flip burgers faster...

Get a degree, or a bunch of certifications (degree for large companies, their HR departments will ignore your resume without one). Learn .NET MVC which is what is in demand right now, and consider adding emphasis on javascript libraries like JQuery, Breeze, Durandal and Knockout. Those are getting big, but could also bubble and die like previous web technologies (cough cough Silverlight). DB knowledge in SQL Server and Oracle always helps.

I am lucky and work in Houston, TX which isn't really known as a "Tech City". However, since we have a lot of the big oil / energy companies here (and more keep coming) there's as large amount of demand for software developers to overhaul their systems and reduce costs. Look for places like that to move to. Where demand for developers is growing quickly but supply is low. Avoid places like Silicon Valley because everyone and their mother who wants to be in software goes there (like Hollywood for actors and New York for MBAs). So you're fighting a lot of competition (but it could pay off handsomely).

On topic: People, please stop whining at CCP. And offering solutions like "throw more money at it" or "code faster" just shows that you're ignorant to software development and need to stop commenting about it.

whatever you do dont waste your time listening to this guy dust does not need new vehicles it needs whats here to be fixed you cannot add things into a broken foundation and expect them to work. why on earth would ccp waste their time providing new vehicles and turret types when what we have is so destroyed. they need to sit down and dedicate they're time to eradicating blams blasphemy from new eden. add new vehicles, new turret types what are you thinking pfft you should just quit dust

New turrets and drop ship cloaking will be the hardest of the bunch. 200 man hours each if all goes well unknown if things go to hell.

Racial varient of all vehicles. I think that would be the easiest. You have the sockets built. just creating a graphical design around the sockets might be hard means you develop the track systems differently so around 100-150 per new race around 200-300 for both amar and.

new vehicle types not needed.

Hey FourFox, I have a better idea. How about you tell us how many man-hours each of those items would take?

This way nobody will have unreal expectations and we can better estimate when features may be arriving. There's no need to be defensive, this post was not entirely in earnest.

However I may be laboring under some misapprehensions. I thought vehicle work started way back and was intended to release with 1.4. I thought the concept art and most of these racial models were revealed at FanFest. I thought CCP stated they already intended for new turrets to come out around or at 1.5, and so some of that work had been completed. I thought dropship cloaking had been written about in a dev blog like 4 years ago and the design team had some grasp over how they wanted to implement that. I thought we'd already seen models and or art for the MAV, and two jets. Not the jets from Carbon build that were shown flying in a demo long ago, but new models for Unreal that included animations for landing gear and such.

And I thought doing a respec is more a matter of reviewing petitions and clicking some buttons, hence the need for some streamlined system to be built there. That might imply some man hours, but surely just stating to the community that there will be a respec process in the future for racial replacements would not take more than a day to discuss and deliver.

At first I was willing to believe you managed a restaurant. But now, not believing it as much. I hate the be the "grammar police" but my god what is it with forums that makes people so incapable of capitalizing their f***ing I's and using proper spelling / punctuation.

As for your "argument" no. The customer paying, and then being screwed later, is a poor business model. However I do not understand how this applies to CCP or DUST since this is a free, let me underline that for you again, free to play game. So it could be s*** not worthy of anyone's time and you still didn't lose a dime for it.

Also, I bet if you were giving away free steaks and some brat was making a scene about the quality of steak you were serving and why weren't they USDA Prime cuts you'd tell him to shove off. He's not paying you for the steak. You don't need him sitting around everyone else moaning about how crappy your service is when you're serving him a free meal.

exactly where is the finished art... what the hell are the artists there doing... *speaking professional game artist...*