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scuba678
The.Red.Kings
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:10:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type
~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content.
These would be a good reason for having to wait another month.
Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours?
It's not our job to figure out the man hours on this ... thats yours...everybody just wants you guys to keep your word....I'm A/V so i could care less what happens with the tanks..but you guys...CCP...talked up the viehicle 1.5 patch and everybody just jumped on your bandwagon...you guys built up everybody for this let down....just like your dated weekly forum dev updates post..that is religously late 5-10 days..actually often started with some sort of week excuse about a headache or a dog eating it or something...
There are far too many problems with this game that need to be adressed like-
Dying when you jump out of a dropship the squads are super messed up, i havnt even seen a warroom in 2 days and played in matches that have 16 people each side with no squad anywhere when in a tank you cant render crap from 20 meters my 15 million sp character does about the same as my free militia alt at least a half dozen glitch spots on the map where snipers sit every match that you cant hit 1 in 3 matches for me i end up playing nobody
Do i need to go on...there are tons more...this is all more important than you having a shiney proto tank and some racial bounses.....
And for the record....I feel like this comment from the Dev was a little rude...I might be the only one but, I feel that we are customers and you are selling a service..I know its hard sometimes but ...I manage a restaurant and If a guest asked me where his steak was, and i responded "do you know how long it takes to cook'? I would get fired....exspeacially if i told him it would take 10 minuites and he asked me 10 minuites later..like this senario
Smile and say sorry...even if you dont mean it...thats buisness..But I'm good t my job..everybody is not so lucky
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scuba678
The.Red.Kings
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:43:00 -
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Severus Smith wrote:scuba678 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type
~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content.
These would be a good reason for having to wait another month.
Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? It's not our job to figure out the man hours on this ... thats yours...everybody just wants you guys to keep your word....I'm A/V so i could care less what happens with the tanks..but you guys...CCP...talked up the viehicle 1.5 patch and everybody just jumped on your bandwagon...you guys built up everybody for this let down....just like your dated weekly forum dev updates post..that is religously late 5-10 days..actually often started with some sort of week excuse about a headache or a dog eating it or something... There are far too many problems with this game that need to be adressed like- Dying when you jump out of a dropship the squads are super messed up, i havnt even seen a warroom in 2 days and played in matches that have 16 people each side with no squad anywhere when in a tank you cant render crap from 20 meters my 15 million sp character does about the same as my free militia alt at least a half dozen glitch spots on the map where snipers sit every match that you cant hit 1 in 3 matches for me i end up playing nobody Do i need to go on...there are tons more...this is all more important than you having a shiney proto tank and some racial bounses..... And for the record....I feel like this comment from the Dev was a little rude...I might be the only one but, I feel that we are customers and you are selling a service..I know its hard sometimes but ...I manage a restaurant and If a guest asked me where his steak was, and i responded "do you know how long it takes to cook'? I would get fired....exspeacially if i told him it would take 10 minuites and he asked me 10 minuites later..like this senario Smile and say sorry...even if you dont mean it...thats buisness..But I'm good t my job..everybody is not so lucky Everyone has been yelling for information. "Tell us whats coming!", "Whats in the next patch?", "Why aren't you telling us things!?" and then when they do tell you and something happens we get people like you yelling "You built us up and lied!", "You're rude!", "Don't tell me how to do my job (manage a restaurant) here's how you should do your job (list of things to fix)" Please, shut up. Either ask for information and politely accept it when they give you further information about why it didn't work. Or be quiet and let them release things when they are ready. I don't come into your restaurant and expect my steak to be in front of me in 1 minute. Nor do I go to the back and curse out your cook for "lying to me" when my steak comes out medium well instead of medium rare. I wait for my food, politely send it back, wait for the correction, and still pay at the end because I am an adult with intelligence and manners.
NO, ill say what i want dummy
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scuba678
The.Red.Kings
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:47:00 -
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scuba678 wrote:Severus Smith wrote:scuba678 wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:~Racial variants of all vehicles. ~New turret types ~A respec for vehicle users ~Dropship cloaking ~A new vehicle type
~The promise that with each introduction of new racial variants, partial respecs will be offered since CCP decided to release Dust without over half of it's content.
These would be a good reason for having to wait another month.
Out of curiosity, how long do you think each one of those line items would take in terms of man hours? It's not our job to figure out the man hours on this ... thats yours...everybody just wants you guys to keep your word....I'm A/V so i could care less what happens with the tanks..but you guys...CCP...talked up the viehicle 1.5 patch and everybody just jumped on your bandwagon...you guys built up everybody for this let down....just like your dated weekly forum dev updates post..that is religously late 5-10 days..actually often started with some sort of week excuse about a headache or a dog eating it or something... There are far too many problems with this game that need to be adressed like- Dying when you jump out of a dropship the squads are super messed up, i havnt even seen a warroom in 2 days and played in matches that have 16 people each side with no squad anywhere when in a tank you cant render crap from 20 meters my 15 million sp character does about the same as my free militia alt at least a half dozen glitch spots on the map where snipers sit every match that you cant hit 1 in 3 matches for me i end up playing nobody Do i need to go on...there are tons more...this is all more important than you having a shiney proto tank and some racial bounses..... And for the record....I feel like this comment from the Dev was a little rude...I might be the only one but, I feel that we are customers and you are selling a service..I know its hard sometimes but ...I manage a restaurant and If a guest asked me where his steak was, and i responded "do you know how long it takes to cook'? I would get fired....exspeacially if i told him it would take 10 minuites and he asked me 10 minuites later..like this senario Smile and say sorry...even if you dont mean it...thats buisness..But I'm good t my job..everybody is not so lucky Everyone has been yelling for information. "Tell us whats coming!", "Whats in the next patch?", "Why aren't you telling us things!?" and then when they do tell you and something happens we get people like you yelling "You built us up and lied!", "You're rude!", "Don't tell me how to do my job (manage a restaurant) here's how you should do your job (list of things to fix)" Please, shut up. Either ask for information and politely accept it when they give you further information about why it didn't work. Or be quiet and let them release things when they are ready. I don't come into your restaurant and expect my steak to be in front of me in 1 minute. Nor do I go to the back and curse out your cook for "lying to me" when my steak comes out medium well instead of medium rare. I wait for my food, politely send it back, wait for the correction, and still pay at the end because I am an adult with intelligence and manners. NO, ill say what i want dummy
Its a forum where you post your opinions....if people were to "shut up" then forums wouldnt exist...and its fitted tht i put an intelegent post outlining problems that need to be adressed and following up with "actual statments" that are based in FACT and all you got is "shut up"....5 year olds shouldnt be in the forums anyway.. |
scuba678
The.Red.Kings
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:54:00 -
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If the steak comes out wrong and it takes too long an then i make a crusty comment about how long it takes...believe me they aint paying...Maybe we should make people pay first and then screw em later...seems like a good buisness model ehh??maybe for a video game.
Just ask your team leader at burger king about it I,m sure he will teach you a thing or too |
scuba678
The.Red.Kings
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:39:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Severus Smith wrote:scuba678 wrote:If the steak comes out wrong and it takes too long an then i make a crusty comment about how long it takes...believe me they aint paying...Maybe we should make people pay first and then screw em later...seems like a good buisness model ehh??maybe for a video game.
Just ask your team leader at burger king about it I,m sure he will teach you a thing or too At first I was willing to believe you managed a restaurant. But now, not believing it as much. I hate the be the "grammar police" but my god what is it with forums that makes people so incapable of capitalizing their f***ing I's and using proper spelling / punctuation. As for your "argument" no. The customer paying, and then being screwed later, is a poor business model. However I do not understand how this applies to CCP or DUST since this is a free, let me underline that for you again, free to play game. So it could be s*** not worthy of anyone's time and you still didn't lose a dime for it. Also, I bet if you were giving away free steaks and some brat was making a scene about the quality of steak you were serving and why weren't they USDA Prime cuts you'd tell him to shove off. He's not paying you for the steak. You don't need him sitting around everyone else moaning about how crappy your service is when you're serving him a free meal. completely tangential but that sort of breaks down if it was a "pay what you want" deal. Where someone actually paid. To be fair many people have paid CCP for this game, and sure, they Could tell those customers to shove off, but really it'd not in anyone's interest to be rude like that. Back to the topic at hand, as a software developer you are aware of real world constraints. Of which deadlines are a large factor. You can't spend 100 years writing the perfect software for a customer who has long since died or gone bankrupt. Time for CCP does not translate as finitely as a deadline, but there is certainly a number. Invisible, somewhere in this deterministic universe there is a point at which the game could fail for lack of delivering content X by time Y. Hard to pinpoint but hard to ignore. The signs do not look good, and something has to give. There is also the possibility of a game being sustained, but still a failed success. Look at how many MMO's in the past couple years even have released with such high potential, only to crash down instantly. (Most of which suffered from bad launch syndrome as well. Could that be a precursor ?) Many resorting to FTP models after that, and some simply dying. If the best Dust can hope to do is struggle along, barely scraping by enough players to break even then it's as good as dead.
The customer is always right......I didnt invent that statement...it has existed for many years.....no matter what you say it will be and its being said for a reason. Any buisness that does not follow this simple guideline will fall to the competion who does.
Your gonna call me on grammer and Capitalization..spelling?really...im busy trying to AFK farm 3 characters right now and out of al the tasks I'm handling right now having a conversation with somebody who is very clearly not thinking withlogic is not high enough priority for spelling and grammer
I didnt even realize that i was posting with my alt right now...but for the record...I am challenging you to a fight with my main
-me and you in a squad(no marking or orbitals)
Most WP wins 10 million from the other...and loser posts no more on this thread...
Everybody see's this so go ahead let me know where and when
Lets see how confident you are with your 600,000 sp and your free fits
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scuba678
The.Red.Kings
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Posted - 2013.09.19 17:41:00 -
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scuba678 wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Severus Smith wrote:scuba678 wrote:If the steak comes out wrong and it takes too long an then i make a crusty comment about how long it takes...believe me they aint paying...Maybe we should make people pay first and then screw em later...seems like a good buisness model ehh??maybe for a video game.
Just ask your team leader at burger king about it I,m sure he will teach you a thing or too At first I was willing to believe you managed a restaurant. But now, not believing it as much. I hate the be the "grammar police" but my god what is it with forums that makes people so incapable of capitalizing their f***ing I's and using proper spelling / punctuation. As for your "argument" no. The customer paying, and then being screwed later, is a poor business model. However I do not understand how this applies to CCP or DUST since this is a free, let me underline that for you again, free to play game. So it could be s*** not worthy of anyone's time and you still didn't lose a dime for it. Also, I bet if you were giving away free steaks and some brat was making a scene about the quality of steak you were serving and why weren't they USDA Prime cuts you'd tell him to shove off. He's not paying you for the steak. You don't need him sitting around everyone else moaning about how crappy your service is when you're serving him a free meal. completely tangential but that sort of breaks down if it was a "pay what you want" deal. Where someone actually paid. To be fair many people have paid CCP for this game, and sure, they Could tell those customers to shove off, but really it'd not in anyone's interest to be rude like that. Back to the topic at hand, as a software developer you are aware of real world constraints. Of which deadlines are a large factor. You can't spend 100 years writing the perfect software for a customer who has long since died or gone bankrupt. Time for CCP does not translate as finitely as a deadline, but there is certainly a number. Invisible, somewhere in this deterministic universe there is a point at which the game could fail for lack of delivering content X by time Y. Hard to pinpoint but hard to ignore. The signs do not look good, and something has to give. There is also the possibility of a game being sustained, but still a failed success. Look at how many MMO's in the past couple years even have released with such high potential, only to crash down instantly. (Most of which suffered from bad launch syndrome as well. Could that be a precursor ?) Many resorting to FTP models after that, and some simply dying. If the best Dust can hope to do is struggle along, barely scraping by enough players to break even then it's as good as dead. The customer is always right......I didnt invent that statement...it has existed for many years.....no matter what you say it will be and its being said for a reason. Any buisness that does not follow this simple guideline will fall to the competion who does. Your gonna call me on grammer and Capitalization..spelling?really...im busy trying to AFK farm 3 characters right now and out of al the tasks I'm handling right now having a conversation with somebody who is very clearly not thinking withlogic is not high enough priority for spelling and grammer I didnt even realize that i was posting with my alt right now...but for the record...I am challenging you to a fight with my main -me and you in a squad(no marking or orbitals) Most WP wins 10 million from the other...and loser posts no more on this thread... Everybody see's this so go ahead let me know where and when Lets see how confident you are with your 600,000 sp and your free fits
If you dont have 10 million..i will except any amount at anytime..for this challenge |
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