interesting, HMG kill me at 35m at regular basis.

I been using an LAV to hunt people down who would separate from the group and then jump out to boundless them to the promised land then jump back in and continue hunting. You should try to lure them into a situation you prefer, fight on your terms and by surprise then you'll get better results.

The HMG is a bit funny like that, at 20m or less it steals the souls of the innocent, it completely demolishes what ever is in front of you. My boundless fitting outputs close to 900 damage per second and up close since the hit detection fixes I can truly say it is tearing people apart at that distance.

However, it really does feel like to me that they take one step back from 20m and then 1/4 of your god damn rounds automatically miss! They get around 30m away and it feels like half of them go around the target. I cant really complain though, I only bring out the heavy for the enclosed indoor parts of the maps and it does awesome, I run an assault for everything else. The HMG heavy is situational but its ok for me because I am proto in assault and heavy

Forge Gun heavy on the other hand......(starts salivating over his Gastuns BRN-50)

no offense, but only bad players using cheap suits get killed by HMGs at that range.

btw, some people get shot up by ARs while an HMG takes the kill at that range. I would know as I've gotten kills past 50m already. I got the last bullet in...doesn't mean the HMG is great at range.

thats a blatant lie, HMG does decent damage at 30 meters. you wont outgun an AR at that range but this was not the point, nor it is the heavies role. there should be a downside if you are able to demolish stuff sub 20m with 900 dps and this downside is range.

he is actually closer to the truth jack. Dont forget it IS a minigun that the guy is toting, and a heavy weapon at that. It should have that fear about it, similarly to being hit directly by a forge. Should it be sniping out to 50 meters? no

Should it be able to still do relevant DPS past 20 meters? ya

you want a weapon being able to throw 900 dps past 20 meters? whats next? shotgun swarm launcher like back in the closed beta?

it does not matter what the guy is rotating, it might be a kitty cannon or his *****. there should be drawbacks to keep balance as long as it is able to throw out 900 dps sub 20m and demolish other suits like no tomorrow.

forge gun is not an argument, it is viewed as OP by the majority of the community.

*walks into the Boundless weapon facility battered and bruised and tosses HMG on the table. * Look . I don't mind people strafing in and out of my fire . Or run around me for my back . Or dropping grenades on my head and running away.That is all part of the game as a heavy.

But it's kind of downright humiliating when the dot is on the target at 30m and the target DECIDES THAT IT'S BETTER TO JUST STAND COMPLETELY STILL AND DRILL MY HEAD WHILE I SLOWLY CHEW THROUGH HIS TANK BECAUSE HALF MY BULLETS ARE GOING AROUND HIM !

Can we please please please get just a bit tighter bullet dispersion on this thing ? With all these extra tanky enemies lately the only way to get a decent TTK is to be shoving the barrel directly up his butt . Which on a lot of many open maps ...is kind of draining for a heavy not to mention Shotgunners .....just Shotgunners . *shudders*

The damage is fine ... I don't mind the heat nerf ... all I want is for more bullets to be hitting the target when I aim at them at a reasonable distance. Because I tell you all of their's will be hitting me the moment I step out of cover.

I'm not a heavy so I don't know of your troubles but have you tried using the assault or burst variants on the more open maps.

BTW, I'd just like to say that the HMG is, effectively, a minigun... Like the ones that modern (or at least past generation) fighter planes use... Having a killing range of 30m is a bit ridiculous...

I mean, this game is supposed to be set in the future. So I'm finding it hard to believe that societies that have the technology to perform space jumps cannot produce a weapon with that kind of (insignificant) damage per bullet that can shoot past 40m...

Also I believe that in no way should a SMG be able to out-damage (more DPS) a HMG in close quarters. It is not logical. In my opninion a prototype SMG with prof. lvl 5 should do the same damage as a Tier 1 HMG with no prof. skill lvls... Isn't that more logical?

P.S. someone said the HMG does 900dps... It doesn't, closer to 900 damage per Minute...

you want a weapon being able to throw 900 dps past 20 meters? whats next? shotgun swarm launcher like back in the closed beta?

it does not matter what the guy is rotating, it might be a kitty cannon or his pen|s. there should be drawbacks to keep balance as long as it is able to throw out 900 dps sub 20m and demolish other suits like no tomorrow.

forge gun is not an argument, it is viewed as OP by the majority of the community and obviously there is something wrong with the weapon. it is hard to balance though.

The Minoan ManiacArchon]A proto HMG with prof. lvl 5 and 2 complex damage mods has 900 dps, but due to spread it only does this if your barrel stuffing. Normally about 1/3 of bullets hit unless your crouched, standing still, ADS, and firing until the HMG hits maximum accuracy (2-3 seconds of firing), then about 2/3 to 3/4 of bullets hit.

HMGs are a joke right now. they are out-DPSed by ARs past about 20 meters. That does not bode well for heavies and their giant miniguns of doom.

not much of a doom mode when the guy is shrugging off your HMG fire like a light rain.

Would you be happy with 50% tighter spread and +10% range for 10% lower ROF or damage, and a 0.4 sec spool time, prehaps??

The gun is designed for CQC so a spool up time would kill it. The HMG operations skill should be changed from reducing recoil to reducing spread.