interesting, HMG kill me at 35m at regular basis.

I been using an LAV to hunt people down who would separate from the group and then jump out to boundless them to the promised land then jump back in and continue hunting. You should try to lure them into a situation you prefer, fight on your terms and by surprise then you'll get better results.

The HMG is a bit funny like that, at 20m or less it steals the souls of the innocent, it completely demolishes what ever is in front of you. My boundless fitting outputs close to 900 damage per second and up close since the hit detection fixes I can truly say it is tearing people apart at that distance.

However, it really does feel like to me that they take one step back from 20m and then 1/4 of your god damn rounds automatically miss! They get around 30m away and it feels like half of them go around the target. I cant really complain though, I only bring out the heavy for the enclosed indoor parts of the maps and it does awesome, I run an assault for everything else. The HMG heavy is situational but its ok for me because I am proto in assault and heavy

Forge Gun heavy on the other hand......(starts salivating over his Gastuns BRN-50)

no offense, but only bad players using cheap suits get killed by HMGs at that range.

btw, some people get shot up by ARs while an HMG takes the kill at that range. I would know as I've gotten kills past 50m already. I got the last bullet in...doesn't mean the HMG is great at range.

thats a blatant lie, HMG does decent damage at 30 meters. you wont outgun an AR at that range but this was not the point, nor it is the heavies role. there should be a downside if you are able to demolish stuff sub 20m with 900 dps and this downside is range.

he is actually closer to the truth jack. Dont forget it IS a minigun that the guy is toting, and a heavy weapon at that. It should have that fear about it, similarly to being hit directly by a forge. Should it be sniping out to 50 meters? no

Should it be able to still do relevant DPS past 20 meters? ya

you want a weapon being able to throw 900 dps past 20 meters? whats next? shotgun swarm launcher like back in the closed beta?

it does not matter what the guy is rotating, it might be a kitty cannon or his *****. there should be drawbacks to keep balance as long as it is able to throw out 900 dps sub 20m and demolish other suits like no tomorrow.

forge gun is not an argument, it is viewed as OP by the majority of the community.

*walks into the Boundless weapon facility battered and bruised and tosses HMG on the table. * Look . I don't mind people strafing in and out of my fire . Or run around me for my back . Or dropping grenades on my head and running away.That is all part of the game as a heavy.

But it's kind of downright humiliating when the dot is on the target at 30m and the target DECIDES THAT IT'S BETTER TO JUST STAND COMPLETELY STILL AND DRILL MY HEAD WHILE I SLOWLY CHEW THROUGH HIS TANK BECAUSE HALF MY BULLETS ARE GOING AROUND HIM !

Can we please please please get just a bit tighter bullet dispersion on this thing ? With all these extra tanky enemies lately the only way to get a decent TTK is to be shoving the barrel directly up his butt . Which on a lot of many open maps ...is kind of draining for a heavy not to mention Shotgunners .....just Shotgunners . *shudders*

The damage is fine ... I don't mind the heat nerf ... all I want is for more bullets to be hitting the target when I aim at them at a reasonable distance. Because I tell you all of their's will be hitting me the moment I step out of cover.

I'm not a heavy so I don't know of your troubles but have you tried using the assault or burst variants on the more open maps.

BTW, I'd just like to say that the HMG is, effectively, a minigun... Like the ones that modern (or at least past generation) fighter planes use... Having a killing range of 30m is a bit ridiculous...

I mean, this game is supposed to be set in the future. So I'm finding it hard to believe that societies that have the technology to perform space jumps cannot produce a weapon with that kind of (insignificant) damage per bullet that can shoot past 40m...

Also I believe that in no way should a SMG be able to out-damage (more DPS) a HMG in close quarters. It is not logical. In my opninion a prototype SMG with prof. lvl 5 should do the same damage as a Tier 1 HMG with no prof. skill lvls... Isn't that more logical?

P.S. someone said the HMG does 900dps... It doesn't, closer to 900 damage per Minute...

you want a weapon being able to throw 900 dps past 20 meters? whats next? shotgun swarm launcher like back in the closed beta?

it does not matter what the guy is rotating, it might be a kitty cannon or his pen|s. there should be drawbacks to keep balance as long as it is able to throw out 900 dps sub 20m and demolish other suits like no tomorrow.

forge gun is not an argument, it is viewed as OP by the majority of the community and obviously there is something wrong with the weapon. it is hard to balance though.

The Minoan ManiacArchon]A proto HMG with prof. lvl 5 and 2 complex damage mods has 900 dps, but due to spread it only does this if your barrel stuffing. Normally about 1/3 of bullets hit unless your crouched, standing still, ADS, and firing until the HMG hits maximum accuracy (2-3 seconds of firing), then about 2/3 to 3/4 of bullets hit.

HMGs are a joke right now. they are out-DPSed by ARs past about 20 meters. That does not bode well for heavies and their giant miniguns of doom.

not much of a doom mode when the guy is shrugging off your HMG fire like a light rain.

Would you be happy with 50% tighter spread and +10% range for 10% lower ROF or damage, and a 0.4 sec spool time, prehaps??

The gun is designed for CQC so a spool up time would kill it. The HMG operations skill should be changed from reducing recoil to reducing spread.

Would you be happy with 50% tighter spread and +10% range for 10% lower ROF or damage, and a 0.4 sec spool time, prehaps??

HMGs are a joke right now. they are out-DPSed by ARs past about 20 meters. That does not bode well for heavies and their giant miniguns of doom.

not much of a doom mode when the guy is shrugging off your HMG fire like a light rain.

I agree with the reduce spread but I have often wondered if I would prefer spool time if when the gun actually fired it was at full accuracy rather than my initial rounds just flying all over the place, hell I think it would be cool if you could initiate the spool up time with L1/right mouse. Would increase the accuracy whilst not wasting ammo and get rid of the need/ability to ads a minigun which in my opinion is completely stupid.

Blame the armor buff that lets dropsuits rock insane amounts of ehp while still having light dmg mods.

Dispersion should be kept as is and the HMG damage should be kept the same, it just needs its damage drop off nerfed. IE its optimal should be extended.

HMGs are a joke right now. they are out-DPSed by ARs past about 20 meters. That does not bode well for heavies and their giant miniguns of doom.

not much of a doom mode when the guy is shrugging off your HMG fire like a light rain.

If you're smart like me, you'll learn to close the distance or avoid long range encounters.

Or you could just use the AR
The HMG needs a reason to be used

the reason is to provide 900 dps sub 20 meters. heavy is boss with the new released buildings cause there are alot of chokepoints. if you want to hold a point in some of the new structures then heavy is the way to go, he can just wait till the medium suits walk into their death and die under 1 second.

OP - Here's a trick for you. Press Triangle. It lowers your spread a lot.

OP - Here's a trick for you. Press Triangle. It lowers your spread a lot.

Except then you can't move and get mowed down by ARs even easier. Also standing still and shooting is the same as crouching and shooting.

HMGs are a joke right now. they are out-DPSed by ARs past about 20 meters. That does not bode well for heavies and their giant miniguns of doom.

not much of a doom mode when the guy is shrugging off your HMG fire like a light rain.

Except then you can't move and get mowed down by ARs even easier. Also standing still and shooting is the same as crouching and shooting.

Crouching in ADS greatly reduces your dispersion. It is an effective tactic when used at the right moments.

Like I said, standing with ADS is just as accurate and even if you do either of these it dosent help past 25-30M

... yes it does.

This thread is about bad heavies wanting to be buffed to make up for them lacking skills.

I see all these people saying Crouching and ADS reduces dispersion.

It reduces recoil. Dispersion is the random pattern the bullets fire within the cone, and crouching does nothing to that.

Actually you know what's helped me out a lot is I bought that long range HMG with the improved accuracy and the lower damage. The firerate makes up for the lack of damage, but I do find myself crouching almost everywhere I go now.... It's worth it though. I love my LRHMG.


Anyone tried that burst HMG? I'm afraid to buy it. Not a big fan of forced burst fire myself, but I'm wondering if the burst fire doesn't help with the way it builds up heat. Might get a pack of 20 if that's the case.

It does reduce. Try it sometime.

I see all these people saying Crouching and ADS reduces dispersion.

It reduces recoil. Dispersion is the random pattern the bullets fire within the cone, and crouching does nothing to that.

Been playing a heavy for months now. I have tried it, and it does nothing to DISPERSION. It does affect RECOIL. Furthermore, dispersion is a mechanic of the way the bullets leave the barrel. Why(even if it did, but it doesn't) would crouching reduce a mechanical function.

you want a weapon being able to throw 900 dps past 20 meters? whats next? shotgun swarm launcher like back in the closed beta?

it does not matter what the guy is rotating, it might be a kitty cannon or his pen|s. there should be drawbacks to keep balance as long as it is able to throw out 900 dps sub 20m and demolish other suits like no tomorrow.

forge gun is not an argument, it is viewed as OP by the majority of the community and obviously there is something wrong with the weapon. it is hard to balance though.

thats a blatant lie, HMG does decent damage at 30 meters..

And I thought this was a thread about the trigger (sometimes) taking 2 clicks to get running.

Technically your bullets arent going anywhere considering the game is hitscan. So you just have crappy luck.

You're an idiot if you think it does 900 dps past 1m. The dps calculation is done by bullet dmg per second according to the ROF, IF every bullet hits. You think every bullet hits? Have you seen the bullet spread? Anything past 2-3m and it starts losing DPS simply because of how inaccurate it is.

Oh My God, yes... I forgot about that. When switching weapons and holding the fire button. If you push it before the weapon change is complete it ignores you. You have to release and press it after the weapon change is complete. That's not really helpful when fighting an enemy you noticed at the last moment...

But still I would say that the effective range is the biggest problem here. If a WWI modified machinegun for WWII (Browning M1919) has a killing range of 1400m why do I get 30% damage after 30m or so...

Really sorry, but you're saying that it is justified by a piece of script that isn't very robust anyway... OK, so let's run with the script...

So what happened with the Mass Drivers..? Didn't they read the script like an EVE age Roadrunner vs Coyote..? They never studied law..?

And if the fighting is now only close range, do the suits still carry those sensors..? Wouldn't they have been removed when they became obsolete..?

Has that piece of script gone through a moderate "what if" check..?

P.S. Where did you find that..? I'd like to read the entire thing... I like Sci Fi fiction...

wouldn't it be awesome if every bullet hit like the AR *gazes wistfully towards CCP*