I am completely against aim assist. I use plasma cannons but now I'm forced to dust off my mass driver just to get by in most matches. I hate having to use my mass driver, hence I use plasma cannons mostly but darn it's infuriating seeing a guy just shooting blindly and landing shots. My mass driver makes me feel unclean but so does aim assist. I took out an unspecced AR and just completely owned with it. There where moments where I was shooting slightly next to the guy (very noticeably) and the hits still registered. Very Very shameful. I felt like a cheat. Same reason why I stopped using mass drivers, there was no challenge. Now I use plasma cannons on my logi suit but it in these two days I have been forced to take my mass driver out more than I like.


Aim assist should be for people in academy; after they come out to the real world it should be all gloves off.


For all those people that say KB&M are better, I just say that's an excuse. There are a whole lot of skilled players that eat KB&M users for breakfast. I say this many times but I met a guy who consistently sniped people out of cars with a DS3 and have friends that consistently go 23/2, 18/0, 20/0, etc with the DS3. Excuses are excuses, and aim assist should not be the answer. Get better at using the controller, there is more than enough evidence to refute the whole KB&M VS DS3 dilema.

Malcanis who is one of the current residents of the Council of Stellar Management authored this law.

The Law States.

"Any feature intended to assist new players into the game shall greatly benefit the veteran players far more."

This has been a long time proven streak in Eve Online's universe until now. I think 1.4s aiming changes have well done broken the law.

Your thoughts?

Well, nothing is stopping the vets from using it to make them even more godly at aiming. So not sure what the problem is.

If the assist could only be used by players with X amount of SP, then I might agree. But that is not the case, as anybody can use and take advantage of it.


I tried playing with and without the assist, the difference was minute, with assist it helped me track players better when they were moving, and it offers a bit of help in hip-fire tracking.

Heck, I actually think CCP stealth nerfed the aim assist during DT, as aiming tonight feels a lot different than it did pre-DT.

Well, nothing is stopping the vets from using it to make them even more godly at aiming. So not sure what the problem is.

If the assist could only be used by players with X amount of SP, then I might agree. But that is not the case, as anybody can use and take advantage of it.


I tried playing with and without the assist, the difference was minute, with assist it helped me track players better when they were moving, and it offers a bit of help in hip-fire tracking.

Heck, I actually think CCP stealth nerfed the aim assist during DT, as aiming tonight feels a lot different than it did pre-DT.

It would explain why 5.05 was 38mb and like 12mb

[quote=Aero Yassavi]Depends on your point of view. It makes the random blueberries better which benefits you since it's a team game, but it also means less pub stomps and some people actually dying in their proto suits. Personally I think it is still overall a bonus. My performance on the battlefield has remained very much unchanged, but the battles have been more fun.

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As a newer player who is starting to "get gud" I have looked forward to the day I get to the point where it is me pubstomping. Now I feel that feeling will be cheapened. Yes, I know this is my opinion but I wanted to have that feels that I'm a god on the battlefield one day.

In my opinion proto suits should be severly hard to kill, it makes it worth it putting in the grind to get there.

I turn my auto aim assist off so I have the dignity to say I did it all on my own. This is how I feel it should always be. Aim assist to me is a big crutch that makes too many newbs better than they really are. Again, just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

I have been doing somewhat better since the update but I attribute that to the improved hit detection as I have the aim assist turned off. This improved hit detection is what has made it more fun for me.

I'm all for aim assist on console shooters, but with that said I think the current assist can be tuned down a bit.

I don't have the links, but I know the devs themselfs stated that the best aim assist is the one you don't notice.
This one you do, ever so slightly (I am not talking about when you are on the receiving end)

I also remember that each gun have their own aim assist settings (don't know if that applies to variants of the same weapon), and it might be that some is currently wonkey, and needs tuning. SMG in CQC comes to mind, where I felt the assist was way over the top.

Instead of screaming "aim bot" or "its perfect", lets list the weapons you use which you think there is something wrong with the assist. Also state if it applies to Long, Medium or Short Range.

I have currently used AR (standard militia) and SMG, and only feels the my aim assist is over the top in Short Range, especially for sidearms.

Your thoughts?

I'm all for aim assist on console shooters, but with that said I think the current assist can be tuned down a bit.

I don't have the links, but I know the devs themselfs stated that the best aim assist is the one you don't notice.
This one you do, ever so slightly (I am not talking about when you are on the receiving end)

I also remember that each gun have their own aim assist settings (don't know if that applies to variants of the same weapon), and it might be that some is currently wonkey, and needs tuning. SMG in CQC comes to mind, where I felt the assist was way over the top.

Instead of screaming "aim bot" or "its perfect", lets list the weapons you use which you think there is something wrong with the assist. Also state if it applies to Long, Medium or Short Range.

I have currently used AR (standard militia) and SMG, and only feels the my aim assist is over the top in Short Range, especially for sidearms.

Your thoughts?

i dont want to bridge the gap between someone who is new and someone who isnt. this is personal preference tho, so here is another point.

rocking proto and being profitable requires a lot of skill and only the seasoned players could do it. Now, even if you beast on a guy, your half dead and the next guy will just kill you anyway. This has taken the game mechanics a lot closer to the quick churning meatgrinder gameplay of COD and that scares me.

I have to disagree. I believe in theory what you're saying holds true, that being Proto fit requires alot of work. But in reality, it does not. It simply requires time. A noob who sticks it out, or someone who rocks boosters for the first couple months can go Proto. That does not necessarily require skill, so much as skill points.

The problem with a tiered shooter like this is that eventually, you have to either make the difference in tiers large enough so that the other tiers justify the cost, or small enough so that everyone feels like they can stand on "equal" footing. Of course, the former means that higher SP character will have a massive advantage, scaring off potential new players, and punishing the higher SP players who refuse to spend millions on a single match. The latter means that veteran, higher SP players feel that all their hard work was for nothing, and that they're really gaining nothing from the more expensive suits.

CoD has none of these problems, because the core mechanic is 'Spawn, shoot, die, repeat'. DUST adds additional layers of risk/reward and expenses to the equation, which screw everything all up. That's DUST's greatest advantage and it's Achillies heel. It has not quite figured out how to balance itself, or which path it wants to take.

Maybe that's why we have so many tankers out there. Why invest your SP into a Proto suit which as small advantages over its STD and MLT variants, when you can spend the same amount getting into a tank with clear advantages in survivability and killing power.

Malcanis who is one of the current residents of the Council of Stellar Management authored this law.

The Law States.

"Any feature intended to assist new players into the game shall greatly benefit the veteran players far more."

This has been a long time proven streak in Eve Online's universe until now. I think 1.4s aiming changes have well done broken the law.

Your thoughts?

I have to disagree. I believe in theory what you're saying holds true, that being Proto fit requires alot of work. But in reality, it does not. It simply requires time. A noob who sticks it out, or someone who rocks boosters for the first couple months can go Proto. That does not necessarily require skill, so much as skill points.

The problem with a tiered shooter like this is that eventually, you have to either make the difference in tiers large enough so that the other tiers justify the cost, or small enough so that everyone feels like they can stand on "equal" footing. Of course, the former means that higher SP character will have a massive advantage, scaring off potential new players, and punishing the higher SP players who refuse to spend millions on a single match. The latter means that veteran, higher SP players feel that all their hard work was for nothing, and that they're really gaining nothing from the more expensive suits.

CoD has none of these problems, because the core mechanic is 'Spawn, shoot, die, repeat'. DUST adds additional layers of risk/reward and expenses to the equation, which screw everything all up. That's DUST's greatest advantage and it's Achillies heel. It has not quite figured out how to balance itself, or which path it wants to take.

Maybe that's why we have so many tankers out there. Why invest your SP into a Proto suit which as small advantages over its STD and MLT variants, when you can spend the same amount getting into a tank with clear advantages in survivability and killing power.

I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ?

frankly, yes. it is not just dust or eve. ANY game that has leveling operates in this same way. either you specialize your points and reap the benefits or you dont and your a jack of all trades master of none. CCP or the community isnt punishing you, you simply chose to spread you stuff out, which comes with its own consequences.

Before the last Respec i was a Proto Caldari... and i got bore with it, so i decided to use a different approach; Core skills and multiple specializations.. The game allows me to think like that..it encourages me to think like that..A different way to play the game, is not necessarily the "wrong" way.

you are ABSOLUTELY right in that it isnt wrong. I can throw knives and kinetic catalyzers on a heavy or i can throw a duvolle on a proto assault, it is all my choice. This is the thing tho about Dust that is awesome. You get a choice. You made yours. It seems you are simply starting to regret it and are looking for someone to come in and tell you the choice you made was a good one.

If i can help here, i think you made a bit of a mistake. i would have told you to specialize and get proto first, then branch out either via aur weps or by simply getting lvl 1 in something as getting lvl 1 in anything is super cheap. I also branched out, but it is because i already maxed my main role. It is my benefit of my grind that i have endured.

Why my choice is not good ? Core Skills allows me to use every suit effectively, I can take a Logi role if my team needs that, or use my AV suit to destroy a tank... or jump into my heavy suit with my HMG a defend a position, or use my scout to quickly hack terminals and deploy up-links, i can even counter-snipe with my Sniper class...

You way of thinking is restricted...

What you going to do when you have maxed you Proto suit ? Leave the game ?

He means specialise AND THEN branch out... that way you always have a solid base to fall back on

Not saying thats right, but thats what i did too lol

He means specialise AND THEN branch out... that way you always have a solid base to fall back on

Not saying thats right, but thats what i did too lol

So.. what.. some of you guys decided to go "God" mode first, them get bore with it, and then do what i doing right now ? I decided to do it the other way around...build the house from the floor up... not starting with the roof.