i dont want to bridge the gap between someone who is new and someone who isnt. this is personal preference tho, so here is another point.

rocking proto and being profitable requires a lot of skill and only the seasoned players could do it. Now, even if you beast on a guy, your half dead and the next guy will just kill you anyway. This has taken the game mechanics a lot closer to the quick churning meatgrinder gameplay of COD and that scares me.

As i have said in numerous other posts, the AR in 1.4 was balanced for the other builds, bad detection and all. Now that hit detection is working and all the noobs became sharpshooters overnight, the DPS that the ARs are churning out is staggering.

I am completely against aim assist. I use plasma cannons but now I'm forced to dust off my mass driver just to get by in most matches. I hate having to use my mass driver, hence I use plasma cannons mostly but darn it's infuriating seeing a guy just shooting blindly and landing shots. My mass driver makes me feel unclean but so does aim assist. I took out an unspecced AR and just completely owned with it. There where moments where I was shooting slightly next to the guy (very noticeably) and the hits still registered. Very Very shameful. I felt like a cheat. Same reason why I stopped using mass drivers, there was no challenge. Now I use plasma cannons on my logi suit but it in these two days I have been forced to take my mass driver out more than I like.


Aim assist should be for people in academy; after they come out to the real world it should be all gloves off.


For all those people that say KB&M are better, I just say that's an excuse. There are a whole lot of skilled players that eat KB&M users for breakfast. I say this many times but I met a guy who consistently sniped people out of cars with a DS3 and have friends that consistently go 23/2, 18/0, 20/0, etc with the DS3. Excuses are excuses, and aim assist should not be the answer. Get better at using the controller, there is more than enough evidence to refute the whole KB&M VS DS3 dilema.

Well, nothing is stopping the vets from using it to make them even more godly at aiming. So not sure what the problem is.

If the assist could only be used by players with X amount of SP, then I might agree. But that is not the case, as anybody can use and take advantage of it.


I tried playing with and without the assist, the difference was minute, with assist it helped me track players better when they were moving, and it offers a bit of help in hip-fire tracking.

Heck, I actually think CCP stealth nerfed the aim assist during DT, as aiming tonight feels a lot different than it did pre-DT.

I'm all for aim assist on console shooters, but with that said I think the current assist can be tuned down a bit.

I don't have the links, but I know the devs themselfs stated that the best aim assist is the one you don't notice.
This one you do, ever so slightly (I am not talking about when you are on the receiving end)

I also remember that each gun have their own aim assist settings (don't know if that applies to variants of the same weapon), and it might be that some is currently wonkey, and needs tuning. SMG in CQC comes to mind, where I felt the assist was way over the top.

Instead of screaming "aim bot" or "its perfect", lets list the weapons you use which you think there is something wrong with the assist. Also state if it applies to Long, Medium or Short Range.

I have currently used AR (standard militia) and SMG, and only feels the my aim assist is over the top in Short Range, especially for sidearms.

Your thoughts?

Panther if you choose to branch into multiple roles thats fine, your skills and where you put your skill points defind you, its not expected foryou to go into everything, at proto, ever!! But you have chosen to take a lot of things to
adv, and that makes a unique asset on the battlefield, a force multiplier, not enough logis on your feam you can deal with that, need to defend a point you can do that, need to be on the front line YOU CAN DO THAT, thats your role.

But if a guy prefers to play point defence, then he spects into a proto sentinel, and a hmg, a force tonbe reckoned with if hes defending a point, yet you stick him on the front line, against rifles that outrangemhim, and suits that can flank him it wont work!

People like to have defined roles that definemand compliment there play style, I run md, burst scrp and re' on a minin assaukt suit, im a demos expert, I create killzones with my re, I provide suppression and assault on squads with my md, and my pistol is for personal protection! Thats my role and the skills I choose should make me damn good at it!!

Aim Assist is joke. It in no way benefits any players other than the Neanderthal Trigger holders.

Example A. I run up to two guys, drop the first with relative easy, now WITHOUT even touching my stick it auto jumps to the next target!?!? This doesnt take any skill to use?!?

And if thats how im dying to peoples ADS 'jumping' to the next target without even touching the sticks then thats basically an aim bot?

It really does feel like COD now, I stopped playing COD to play DUST last year and now your just going to turn it to another COD clone? I mean thats all well and good, but if the basic game isnt as good as COD then why try and copy it?!

To answer IWS question, no it does not benefit the older payers in any way. Especially those of us who normaly run with it turned off anyway. This change seems to cater for the lazy, people say 'Oh but KB&M!KB&M!!!' I spit on your KB&M! I can hold my own with a DS3 controller any day of the week, for those of you too lazy to aim properly, or not bothered to learn the guns then go play cod with all of the rest, don't turn DUST into COD, thats why half of us came here in the first place.

Either tone it down, back to 1.3 'Sticky' targeting (refined obv..), Turn it off and nerf KB&M or im pretty much going to be a sniping *** until theres a change.

Would it be "fair" (i know "fair" is an unknown idea around here in New Eden , but anyway) enough to award players, who turn aimbot off for shooting with weapons affected by aim assist, with more WP? 50% 100% 200% 300%

Or is this even worse idea than current state aim assist?

Have been asking this for around month and nobody has commented on it...

The difference is that i building a "strong platform" to work with...slowly i developing my play-style, to eventually i reach the TOP of my way of playing... you guys are going to be stuck in you Proto gear for ever, because you know that ones you leave you "God" suit.. you going to be as ordinary as everyone else.

i think the forge gun is the bees knees and im a tank driver. Frankly, i have seen it, others have seen it, a CPM has now made a thread about it, the only ones defending it are those who probably need it.....

AND EVEN IF aim assist wasnt as bad as it clearly is, you dont build a game for the noobs, you build it for the diehard vets who will be your most loyal fans and playerbase. Simply put, noobs dont know what they are talking about.

yeah... that is my point...the game allows you to approach the game-play in different ways... you need to go back several post in this thread to understand.

ugh.....come on mac....i dont like walls of text...i do it every once in a while but try to be nice.

its a forge gun. if you get hit, your going down. splash could be construed as too wide, but i am with CCP in that it is fine as it is and is situational enough to warrant an "A-OK" label in my eyes. maybe switch damage of assault with standard. higher ROF should not be met with more damage.

Vets dont want to hog the game, we just want our skills and grind to translate into something. I have seen more free militia assault starter fits running around beast moding proto suits in the last two days than i think is healthy for this game.

Yes it does jump, it happend more than severall times last night. Definately amplified when you kill one merc standing next to another. I believe theres also videos on youtube. So stick your tosh up your jacksy mate.

**** i will set up my recorder right now and show you my laser rifle jumps after i make one kill and beads onto the guy next to him without me (with aim assist on)

we are working to change that, and no, you are partly wrong.

theey are fundamentally different and fundamentally the same.

EVE is an online mmo on the PC and is wildly successful. It is a niche genre however and CCP wants to reach a wider audience. What Dust is is basically CCP trying to take the EVE experience and attract more people into New Eden by adding in twitch gameplay, requiring more competitive skill, instead of using the oh-so-popular internet spreadsheets.

New Eden is a universe inside of a box. EVE and Dust are simply two different windows you can use to look inside.

Eventually, they WILL be the same.

This is why it says EVE on top of the Dust logo.

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this is just.......so wrong.......

sorry, saw this as im goin to bed. damn....

hmm actually i dont think i can i just moved my other recording stuff is still packed :( anyone care about this enough to do that much work? i mean do a few matches if you dont notice the aim assist WITH A LASER as i feel laser has the most adv aim assist. then i dunno what to tell u every other vet can see it

I'm feeling bad about it and we're on the same page.

in CoD you get shot you're dead if you have to turn around because it's more of a realistic war-time bullets-to-skin shooter.

DUST is a space shooter.
in DUST you should be able to just run away, or turn around, or fight back.
But now firefights are becoming short. that should not be the case in this game!

This thread went a bit off track. lol

yeah all the best threads kinda shift about

have you tried SMG's? Blasters? or scramblers?

AR's are promanently the problem right now... but there are some other issues hiding underneth lol

We need new players. We need new guys to want to play.

Wobbly aiming wont do that, it will just **** them off, while the vets are happy.

A F2P game can't live off vets who don't need to buy stuff.

I dont know if im a vet... been here a while any way lol. And while it may not have made me any better... its certainly making my poor heavy die a lot faster... regardless of what its done for whom more shots are hitting across the board.

IL SAY THIS....

Ive felt more of a differance from this patch than from the 10% dmg boost.

BF used to be my fav FPS until they went the way of easy mode COD and allowed user modified servers to be ranked matches. Nothing like beast moding on the server admins and then getting banned from the server midmatch.

This game aways helped the vets. You, vets, have faaaaar more skillpoints than the newbies. Maxed skills, dropsuit with tons of HP, awesome team work... If you are falling like paper by the hands of the newbies, then you have to change your strategy, adapt to the changes.

This games, since the day 1, aways helped the pros and skilled player by simply allowing them to play with keyboard/mouse.

I don't if its that way, but i think most of the vets ar EVE plaers, PC players, so they are skilled players wih kb/m, and you aways had an advantage in precision. I thought about buying a Razer kb/m to be more competitive against those vets.

And look now.... We, the "newbies" and "awfull" players, we now have a chance to overcome this situation, and now its the vets that are complaining about the "newbies". It could be a funny situation if it wasn't sad to see that. 99% of the newbies are desorganized and you, vets, are crying about a simple aim assist.