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Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1672	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:45:00 - [91] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: **** i will set up my recorder right now and show you my laser rifle jumps after i make one kill and beads onto the guy next to him without me (with aim assist on) Thats fine ill wait right here, if you could also show your controller at the same time it would br much appreciated!! thats kinda rough......playing while holding up a controller to show your not touching it or visa versa? it would be something in the heat of a fight lol. i dont know about you, but i can tell what is user input and what is aim assist in a vid anyway, night people. mort, hopefully someone gets you your vid so you can see it, cause it most certainly IS there lol. your gonna be all like
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1078	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:46:00 - [92] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate. Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe. Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games. we are working to change that, and no, you are partly wrong. theey are fundamentally different and fundamentally the same. EVE is an online mmo on the PC and is wildly successful. It is a niche genre however and CCP wants to reach a wider audience. What Dust is is basically CCP trying to take the EVE experience and attract more people into New Eden by adding in twitch gameplay, requiring more competitive skill, instead of using the oh-so-popular internet spreadsheets. New Eden is a universe inside of a box. EVE and Dust are simply two different windows you can use to look inside. Eventually, they WILL be the same. This is why it says EVE on top of the Dust logo. Perhaps that is the "dream" ... but the reality is very different right now. Dust 514 right now is like trowing allot of ingredients into a pot .. and see what happens... steep back a bit... just in case it blows up.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 1078	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:47:00 - [93] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate. Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe. Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games. we are working to change that, and no, you are partly wrong. theey are fundamentally different and fundamentally the same. EVE is an online mmo on the PC and is wildly successful. It is a niche genre however and CCP wants to reach a wider audience. What Dust is is basically CCP trying to take the EVE experience and attract more people into New Eden by adding in twitch gameplay, requiring more competitive skill, instead of using the oh-so-popular internet spreadsheets. New Eden is a universe inside of a box. EVE and Dust are simply two different windows you can use to look inside. Eventually, they WILL be the same. This is why it says EVE on top of the Dust logo. Perhaps that is the "dream" ... but the reality is very different right now. Dust 514 right now is like throwing allot of ingredients into a pot .. and see what happens... steep back a bit... just in case it blows up.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1672	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:47:00 - [94] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate. Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe. Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games. we are working to change that, and no, you are partly wrong. theey are fundamentally different and fundamentally the same. EVE is an online mmo on the PC and is wildly successful. It is a niche genre however and CCP wants to reach a wider audience. What Dust is is basically CCP trying to take the EVE experience and attract more people into New Eden by adding in twitch gameplay, requiring more competitive skill, instead of using the oh-so-popular internet spreadsheets. New Eden is a universe inside of a box. EVE and Dust are simply two different windows you can use to look inside. Eventually, they WILL be the same. This is why it says EVE on top of the Dust logo. Perhaps that is the "dream" ... but the reality is very different right now. Dust 514 right now is like trowing allot of ingredients into a pot .. and see what happens... steep back a bit... just in case it blows up. ehhhh.......its been blowed up for a while lol
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 173	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:47:00 - [95] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate. Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe. Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games. we are working to change that, and no, you are partly wrong. theey are fundamentally different and fundamentally the same. EVE is an online mmo on the PC and is wildly successful. It is a niche genre however and CCP wants to reach a wider audience. What Dust is is basically CCP trying to take the EVE experience and attract more people into New Eden by adding in twitch gameplay, requiring more competitive skill, instead of using the oh-so-popular internet spreadsheets. New Eden is a universe inside of a box. EVE and Dust are simply two different windows you can use to look inside. Eventually, they WILL be the same. This is why it says EVE on top of the Dust logo. You see I disagree with comparison and say that is more like infantry to tanks, and frigates have more use tactically in certain areas, watch the ccp video "I was there" for a good example of a small ship being responsible for winning a fleet battle!
The Robot Devil Echo Galactic Industries 916	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:54:00 - [96] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Depends on your point of view. It makes the random blueberries better which benefits you since it's a team game, but it also means less pub stomps and some people actually dying in their proto suits. Personally I think it is still overall a bonus. My performance on the battlefield has remained very much unchanged, but the battles have been more fun. "Children of Amarr, Beloved of God Do not fear the dark heavens The stars are a sign unto you To bring the Light to dark places And so many wondrous lights we carry Illuminating peoples and worlds Know that our empire is holy Set apart for an immortal destiny Stand true, Children of Amarr Let the rays of our enlightenment Shine ever before the Almighty." Empress Jamyl Sarum I +1
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 826	Posted - 2013.09.05 10:57:00 - [97] - Quote Said it before. Aim Assist has put a serious dent into the trend of pub-stomping. For that, I am happy. Us vets will end up losing a few more suits here and there, but it's a small price to pay if it means having fun, and a newbro can pick up a controller and not feel totally outmatched. Vets still have the advantage. We still know the layouts of maps and structures better, and we have better situational awareness, and our aim is also enhanced.... wait a minute, that's what playing an FPS is supposed to boil down to in the end anyway: "Everyone being able to have fun and compete." Truth is, aim assist was necessary. I know some players that have played this game since closed beta and truth be told.... they couldn't aim to save their life. Some people, especially those on DS3, would simply NEVER be able to reach the same aiming potential as others. The game shouldn't be shut out to them because of this. 1.4 really is a big step in the right direction. Everyone that you pull into a PC match now has a fair shot at participation. Better players can still throw their weight around in PC, and now they can trust that their friends can be even more solid support than before. We all have that friend and corpmate that we enjoy playing with, but we know they just don't play that well. But we still enjoy their company, and because they are our friend we never leave them out of the game, no matter how important the match. I think this will help in situations like that. Good call, on CCP's part. The game can be fun for everyone now. Aim Bot can NEVER beat good tactics though. :)
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1678	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:03:00 - [98] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Aim Bot can NEVER beat good tactics though. :) -_- this is just.......so wrong....... sorry, saw this as im goin to bed. damn....
Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 202	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:06:00 - [99] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: **** i will set up my recorder right now and show you my laser rifle jumps after i make one kill and beads onto the guy next to him without me (with aim assist on) Thats fine ill wait right here, if you could also show your controller at the same time it would br much appreciated!! hmm actually i dont think i can i just moved my other recording stuff is still packed :( anyone care about this enough to do that much work? i mean do a few matches if you dont notice the aim assist WITH A LASER as i feel laser has the most adv aim assist. then i dunno what to tell u every other vet can see it
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 173	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:08:00 - [100] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Jathniel wrote: Aim Bot can NEVER beat good tactics though. :) -_- this is just.......so wrong....... sorry, saw this as im goin to bed. damn.... Goodnight mate, im sure someone will pick up where you left off, was a pleasure debating with you!

Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 174	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:15:00 - [101] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: **** i will set up my recorder right now and show you my laser rifle jumps after i make one kill and beads onto the guy next to him without me (with aim assist on) Thats fine ill wait right here, if you could also show your controller at the same time it would br much appreciated!! hmm actually i dont think i can i just moved my other recording stuff is still packed :( anyone care about this enough to do that much work? i mean do a few matches if you dont notice the aim assist WITH A LASER as i feel laser has the most adv aim assist. then i dunno what to tell u every other vet can see it I have tried with a laser, I can tell aim assist is working, but ive seen no jumps or snaps, no headsot wander, I can feel drag sometimes but that is when I purposely try to leave a target, it could domwith a few tweaks not gonna lie there! A smaller fine aim zone and longer delay on the adhesion side of things but other than its d8ing whats its supposed to, mdont forget especially with the laser fixed hit detection will seem as if your being aimbotted at, becuase shots hit considerably more often, try turning it off and compare, hit detection provides a massive boon to such weapons! Apparently the scrambler pistol didnt get aim assist but since 1.4 ive now tripled mh totals kills with it, and I had it a month or so before hand, its beutiful!
CrotchGrab 360 High-Damage 230	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:36:00 - [102] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: Aim assist levels the playing field to a very fair degree. No matter how bad or good you are, as long as you can get close it will help you from there. This is not a bad thing. Good players will be quicker with their reactions, be able to adapt and shift the aim assist a little better, resulting in a few more hits. But overall, the gap between a skilled player and someone who is not great is definitely closer. The difference between a skilled veteran and a new player is a lot smaller now than it was. I'm for it. Whatever it takes to resurrect this game. i dont want to bridge the gap between someone who is new and someone who isnt. this is personal preference tho, so here is another point. rocking proto and being profitable requires a lot of skill and only the seasoned players could do it. Now, even if you beast on a guy, your half dead and the next guy will just kill you anyway. This has taken the game mechanics a lot closer to the quick churning meatgrinder gameplay of COD and that scares me. I'm feeling bad about it and we're on the same page. in CoD you get shot you're dead if you have to turn around because it's more of a realistic war-time bullets-to-skin shooter. DUST is a space shooter. in DUST you should be able to just run away, or turn around, or fight back. But now firefights are becoming short. that should not be the case in this game!
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 174	Posted - 2013.09.05 11:40:00 - [103] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: Aim assist levels the playing field to a very fair degree. No matter how bad or good you are, as long as you can get close it will help you from there. This is not a bad thing. Good players will be quicker with their reactions, be able to adapt and shift the aim assist a little better, resulting in a few more hits. But overall, the gap between a skilled player and someone who is not great is definitely closer. The difference between a skilled veteran and a new player is a lot smaller now than it was. I'm for it. Whatever it takes to resurrect this game. i dont want to bridge the gap between someone who is new and someone who isnt. this is personal preference tho, so here is another point. rocking proto and being profitable requires a lot of skill and only the seasoned players could do it. Now, even if you beast on a guy, your half dead and the next guy will just kill you anyway. This has taken the game mechanics a lot closer to the quick churning meatgrinder gameplay of COD and that scares me. I'm feeling bad about it and we're on the same page. in CoD you get shot you're dead if you have to turn around because it's more of a realistic war-time bullets-to-skin shooter. DUST is a space shooter. in DUST you should be able to just run away, or turn around, or fight back. But now firefights are becoming short. that should not be the case in this game! True but this ismt nescecarily attributable to aim assist, it can definitely be seen via the changes to hit detection, aiming or not the thr rof weapons are too powerful!
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1112	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:12:00 - [104] - Quote Life expectancy is down. Tanks, dropships, LAV's are down. Dmg application is higher across the board. this is dust simplified as of 1.4
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1002	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:13:00 - [105] - Quote This thread went a bit off track. lol
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 174	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:19:00 - [106] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: This thread went a bit off track. lol They always do, tanks will get a rebalance 1.5 but other that the only REAL problem is how now rifles are too powerful!!
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1112	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:26:00 - [107] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: This thread went a bit off track. lol They always do, tanks will get a rebalance 1.5 but other that the only REAL problem is how now rifles are too powerful!! yeah all the best threads kinda shift about have you tried SMG's? Blasters? or scramblers? AR's are promanently the problem right now... but there are some other issues hiding underneth lol
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:30:00 - [108] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: This thread went a bit off track. lol They always do, tanks will get a rebalance 1.5 but other that the only REAL problem is how now rifles are too powerful!! yeah all the best threads kinda shift about have you tried SMG's? Blasters? or scramblers? AR's are promanently the problem right now... but there are some other issues hiding underneth lol Im gonna try scramblers on an alt, smgs ill gjve a try, blasters I've been on the recieving end but I noticed no change, scr pistols which apparently didnt get assist are now awsome!
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 597	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:36:00 - [109] - Quote i agree. aim assist does not affect vets, but it seems to have helped newberries, a lot.
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 829	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:38:00 - [110] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: This thread went a bit off track. lol They always do, tanks will get a rebalance 1.5 but other that the only REAL problem is how now rifles are too powerful!! yeah all the best threads kinda shift about have you tried SMG's? Blasters? or scramblers? AR's are promanently the problem right now... but there are some other issues hiding underneth lol Im gonna try scramblers on an alt, smgs ill gjve a try, blasters I've been on the recieving end but I noticed no change, scr pistols which apparently didnt get assist are now awsome! lol the scrambler rifles are gonna be nasty once ppl get over their fear of overheating. lol

Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 208	Posted - 2013.09.05 12:38:00 - [111] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: i agree. aim assist does not affect vets, but it seems to have helped newberries, a lot. cept when in the hands of a laser vet or smg user lol aimbot so funny on smg when looking down sights...smg's were never supposed to land 100% of their hits ccp omfg
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 808	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:24:00 - [112] - Quote We need new players. We need new guys to want to play. Wobbly aiming wont do that, it will just **** them off, while the vets are happy. A F2P game can't live off vets who don't need to buy stuff.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1118	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:29:00 - [113] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: i agree. aim assist does not affect vets, but it seems to have helped newberries, a lot. I dont know if im a vet... been here a while any way lol. And while it may not have made me any better... its certainly making my poor heavy die a lot faster... regardless of what its done for whom more shots are hitting across the board. IL SAY THIS.... Ive felt more of a differance from this patch than from the 10% dmg boost.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 184	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:31:00 - [114] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: We need new players. We need new guys to want to play. Wobbly aiming wont do that, it will just **** them off, while the vets are happy. A F2P game can't live off vets who don't need to buy stuff. True while the aim assist is a little too much, only a little, we have to remeber just because a few vets cant texan 2 step anymore, doesnt qualify reverted to the old aiming system, aiming is generally improved with out aim assist! However I believe its no time to consider the HROF weaponrary, and why tuere dps is so high?
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 184	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:33:00 - [115] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: i agree. aim assist does not affect vets, but it seems to have helped newberries, a lot. I dont know if im a vet... been here a while any way lol. And while it may not have made me any better... its certainly making my poor heavy die a lot faster... regardless of what its done for whom more shots are hitting across the board. IL SAY THIS.... Ive felt more of a differance from this patch than from the 10% dmg boost. Because thks patch means ALL shots that land do damage, and where flying at you at 12 a second, from far out and your in a heavy your gonna fell the pain aim assist or not!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1230	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:46:00 - [116] - Quote "Any feature intended to assist new players into the game shall greatly benefit the veteran players far more." Swarms prove that correct So does AV nades So does all proto AV weapons against basic vehicles So then why are you against proto vehicles and also against temp removing proto AV when they are put against basic vehicles Lovely double standards CPM
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 67	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:51:00 - [117] - Quote First off I have a lot of skill points but little skill. Can't aim for the life of me, lol. But I think that the change was too radical. They should have just fixed hit detection in 1.4, then evaluated it and waited until 1.5 to add in the appropriate level of aim assist.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 238	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:52:00 - [118] - Quote Yeah, I don't understand the leet crowd complaining about aim assist. If you are such a great shot with a controller then wouldn't you still be better with aimbot? Sounds like some ppl aren't used to dying or worrying about being shot. No more proto suits flapping in the breeze boys! Ballet Academy is over. Learn to mosey, amble and sashay like a real warrior.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1700	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:16:00 - [119] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Yeah, I don't understand the leet crowd complaining about aim assist. If you are such a great shot with a controller then wouldn't you still be better with aimbot? Sounds like some ppl aren't used to dying or worrying about being shot. No more proto suits flapping in the breeze boys! Ballet Academy is over. Learn to mosey, amble and sashay like a real warrior. wow, the level of noob here is astounding. aim assist hinders anyone with actual good aim, as you can see from many people complaining about the reticule tracking to the wrong target. I have seen a bunch of guys turn it off in a rage after being told to try it because it is so strong and they simply hate it. for the whole battle academy comment and down.....lol btw, us vets were here before the battle academy existed. it is purely something for noobs like you who came in later thinking they know things.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 8069	Posted - 2013.09.05 19:30:00 - [120] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Jathniel wrote: Aim Bot can NEVER beat good tactics though. :) -_- this is just.......so wrong....... sorry, saw this as im goin to bed. damn.... I once beaten a real aim bot (the kind that auto shoots your head when you hold down the trigger with a highest damage semi-auto rifle.) on PC in BF2... I been banned from all (as in even today I can't play any multiplayer bf on pc) the local servers ever since... It really sucks that the only server cluster in acceptable ping range. Either way did a better job at crafting this thread good amounts of back and forth going.



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