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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:14:00 -
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I think the DS3 aim-assist is fine, is definitely making the game more fun. The problem is that it have became a substitute for the mouse instead of a "Match" for it. Raw Input CCP.... Yesterday !! |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:40:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Malcanis who is one of the current residents of the Council of Stellar Management authored this law.
The Law States.
"Any feature intended to assist new players into the game shall greatly benefit the veteran players far more."
This has been a long time proven streak in Eve Online's universe until now. I think 1.4s aiming changes have well done broken the law.
Your thoughts? Well, nothing is stopping the vets from using it to make them even more godly at aiming. So not sure what the problem is. If the assist could only be used by players with X amount of SP, then I might agree. But that is not the case, as anybody can use and take advantage of it. I tried playing with and without the assist, the difference was minute, with assist it helped me track players better when they were moving, and it offers a bit of help in hip-fire tracking. Heck, I actually think CCP stealth nerfed the aim assist during DT, as aiming tonight feels a lot different than it did pre-DT. It would explain why 5.05 was 38mb and like 12mb
If you say so... yesterday in my first match i went 23-6 with the DS3, and that was with my BPO suit and GEK-38, against several Protobears too. I use to get that type of scores at the beginning of the Open Beta ( Chromosome ) when the mouse use to work properly.
Which is why i said that the aim-assist in the DS3 have became a substitute for the mouse. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:59:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Aim assist levels the playing field to a very fair degree. No matter how bad or good you are, as long as you can get close it will help you from there.
This is not a bad thing.
Good players will be quicker with their reactions, be able to adapt and shift the aim assist a little better, resulting in a few more hits. But overall, the gap between a skilled player and someone who is not great is definitely closer. The difference between a skilled veteran and a new player is a lot smaller now than it was. I'm for it. Whatever it takes to resurrect this game. i dont want to bridge the gap between someone who is new and someone who isnt. this is personal preference tho, so here is another point. rocking proto and being profitable requires a lot of skill and only the seasoned players could do it. Now, even if you beast on a guy, your half dead and the next guy will just kill you anyway. This has taken the game mechanics a lot closer to the quick churning meatgrinder gameplay of COD and that scares me. I have to disagree. I believe in theory what you're saying holds true, that being Proto fit requires alot of work. But in reality, it does not. It simply requires time. A noob who sticks it out, or someone who rocks boosters for the first couple months can go Proto. That does not necessarily require skill, so much as skill points. The problem with a tiered shooter like this is that eventually, you have to either make the difference in tiers large enough so that the other tiers justify the cost, or small enough so that everyone feels like they can stand on "equal" footing. Of course, the former means that higher SP character will have a massive advantage, scaring off potential new players, and punishing the higher SP players who refuse to spend millions on a single match. The latter means that veteran, higher SP players feel that all their hard work was for nothing, and that they're really gaining nothing from the more expensive suits. CoD has none of these problems, because the core mechanic is 'Spawn, shoot, die, repeat'. DUST adds additional layers of risk/reward and expenses to the equation, which screw everything all up. That's DUST's greatest advantage and it's Achillies heel. It has not quite figured out how to balance itself, or which path it wants to take. Maybe that's why we have so many tankers out there. Why invest your SP into a Proto suit which as small advantages over its STD and MLT variants, when you can spend the same amount getting into a tank with clear advantages in survivability and killing power.
I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ? |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:06:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ?
frankly, yes. it is not just dust or eve. ANY game that has leveling operates in this same way. either you specialize your points and reap the benefits or you dont and your a jack of all trades master of none. CCP or the community isnt punishing you, you simply chose to spread you stuff out, which comes with its own consequences.
Before the last Respec i was a Proto Caldari... and i got bore with it, so i decided to use a different approach; Core skills and multiple specializations.. The game allows me to think like that..it encourages me to think like that..A different way to play the game, is not necessarily the "wrong" way. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:18:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ?
frankly, yes. it is not just dust or eve. ANY game that has leveling operates in this same way. either you specialize your points and reap the benefits or you dont and your a jack of all trades master of none. CCP or the community isnt punishing you, you simply chose to spread you stuff out, which comes with its own consequences. Before the last Respec i was a Proto Caldari... and i got bore with it, so i decided to use a different approach; Core skills and multiple specializations.. The game allows me to think like that..it encourages me to think like that..A different way to play the game, is not necessarily the "wrong" way. you are ABSOLUTELY right in that it isnt wrong. I can throw knives and kinetic catalyzers on a heavy or i can throw a duvolle on a proto assault, it is all my choice. This is the thing tho about Dust that is awesome. You get a choice. You made yours. It seems you are simply starting to regret it and are looking for someone to come in and tell you the choice you made was a good one. If i can help here, i think you made a bit of a mistake. i would have told you to specialize and get proto first, then branch out either via aur weps or by simply getting lvl 1 in something as getting lvl 1 in anything is super cheap. I also branched out, but it is because i already maxed my main role. It is my benefit of my grind that i have endured.
Why my choice is not good ? Core Skills allows me to use every suit effectively, I can take a Logi role if my team needs that, or use my AV suit to destroy a tank... or jump into my heavy suit with my HMG a defend a position, or use my scout to quickly hack terminals and deploy up-links, i can even counter-snipe with my Sniper class...
You way of thinking is restricted...
What you going to do when you have maxed you Proto suit ? Leave the game ? |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:29:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:He means specialise AND THEN branch out... that way you always have a solid base to fall back on
Not saying thats right, but thats what i did too lol
So.. what.. some of you guys decided to go "God" mode first, then get bore with it, and then do what i doing right now ? I decided to do it the other way around...build the house from the floor up... not starting with the roof. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:39:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:He means specialise AND THEN branch out... that way you always have a solid base to fall back on
Not saying thats right, but thats what i did too lol So.. what.. some of you guys decided to go "God" mode first, them get bore with it, and then do what i doing right now ? I decided to do it the other way around...build the house from the floor up... not starting with the roof. well, while you are right about going proto first, we didnt get bored with it. we simply have over 15 mil sp in our characters and have more than enough to fill the entire role with proto stuff and then put the extra in other things.
The difference is that i building a "strong platform" to work with...slowly i developing my play-style, to eventually i reach the TOP of my way of playing... you guys are going to be stuck in you Proto gear for ever, because you know that ones you leave you "God" suit.. you going to be as ordinary as everyone else. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 09:54:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:He means specialise AND THEN branch out... that way you always have a solid base to fall back on
Not saying thats right, but thats what i did too lol So.. what.. some of you guys decided to go "God" mode first, them get bore with it, and then do what i doing right now ? I decided to do it the other way around...build the house from the floor up... not starting with the roof. well, while you are right about going proto first, we didnt get bored with it. we simply have over 15 mil sp in our characters and have more than enough to fill the entire role with proto stuff and then put the extra in other things. The difference is that i building a "strong platform" to work with...slowly i developing my play-style, to eventually i reach the TOP of my way of playing... you guys are going to be stuck in you Proto gear for ever, because you know that ones you leave you "God" suit.. you going to be as ordinary as everyone else. And people who spec into god suits are building a strong platform for there playstyle, everything advanced or 1 proto and a few on the side bits and pieces there all valid!!
yeah... that is my point...the game allows you to approach the game in different ways... you need to go back several post in this thread to understand. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:10:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
Ive been reading since the start please refer to my post where I accidentally quoted myself, top of page 3!
Well.. everything started with this ;
Quote:I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ?
Then this is perhaps the key point ;
Quote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:
I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ?
frankly, yes. it is not just dust or eve. ANY game that has leveling operates in this same way. either you specialize your points and reap the benefits or you dont and your a jack of all trades master of none. CCP or the community isnt punishing you, you simply chose to spread you stuff out, which comes with its own consequences. Before the last Respec i was a Proto Caldari... and i got bore with it, so i decided to use a different approach; Core skills and multiple specializations.. The game allows me to think like that..it encourages me to think like that..A different way to play the game, is not necessarily the "wrong" way.
And now that we have COMPLETELY gone off topic... i shut up. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:34:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate.
Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe.
Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games. |
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Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:46:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate. Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe. Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games. we are working to change that, and no, you are partly wrong. theey are fundamentally different and fundamentally the same. EVE is an online mmo on the PC and is wildly successful. It is a niche genre however and CCP wants to reach a wider audience. What Dust is is basically CCP trying to take the EVE experience and attract more people into New Eden by adding in twitch gameplay, requiring more competitive skill, instead of using the oh-so-popular internet spreadsheets. New Eden is a universe inside of a box. EVE and Dust are simply two different windows you can use to look inside. Eventually, they WILL be the same. This is why it says EVE on top of the Dust logo.
Perhaps that is the "dream" ... but the reality is very different right now. Dust 514 right now is like trowing allot of ingredients into a pot .. and see what happens... steep back a bit... just in case it blows up. |
Panther Alpha
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:47:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate. Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe. Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games. we are working to change that, and no, you are partly wrong. theey are fundamentally different and fundamentally the same. EVE is an online mmo on the PC and is wildly successful. It is a niche genre however and CCP wants to reach a wider audience. What Dust is is basically CCP trying to take the EVE experience and attract more people into New Eden by adding in twitch gameplay, requiring more competitive skill, instead of using the oh-so-popular internet spreadsheets. New Eden is a universe inside of a box. EVE and Dust are simply two different windows you can use to look inside. Eventually, they WILL be the same. This is why it says EVE on top of the Dust logo.
Perhaps that is the "dream" ... but the reality is very different right now. Dust 514 right now is like throwing allot of ingredients into a pot .. and see what happens... steep back a bit... just in case it blows up. |
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