Panther if you choose to branch into multiple roles thats fine, your skills and where you put your skill points defind you, its not expected foryou to go into everything, at proto, ever!! But you have chosen to take a lot of things to
adv, and that makes a unique asset on the battlefield, a force multiplier, not enough logis on your feam you can deal with that, need to defend a point you can do that, need to be on the front line YOU CAN DO THAT, thats your role.

But if a guy prefers to play point defence, then he spects into a proto sentinel, and a hmg, a force tonbe reckoned with if hes defending a point, yet you stick him on the front line, against rifles that outrangemhim, and suits that can flank him it wont work!

People like to have defined roles that definemand compliment there play style, I run md, burst scrp and re' on a minin assaukt suit, im a demos expert, I create killzones with my re, I provide suppression and assault on squads with my md, and my pistol is for personal protection! Thats my role and the skills I choose should make me damn good at it!!

well, while you are right about going proto first, we didnt get bored with it. we simply have over 15 mil sp in our characters and have more than enough to fill the entire role with proto stuff and then put the extra in other things.

Aim Assist is joke. It in no way benefits any players other than the Neanderthal Trigger holders.

Example A. I run up to two guys, drop the first with relative easy, now WITHOUT even touching my stick it auto jumps to the next target!?!? This doesnt take any skill to use?!?

And if thats how im dying to peoples ADS 'jumping' to the next target without even touching the sticks then thats basically an aim bot?

It really does feel like COD now, I stopped playing COD to play DUST last year and now your just going to turn it to another COD clone? I mean thats all well and good, but if the basic game isnt as good as COD then why try and copy it?!

To answer IWS question, no it does not benefit the older payers in any way. Especially those of us who normaly run with it turned off anyway. This change seems to cater for the lazy, people say 'Oh but KB&M!KB&M!!!' I spit on your KB&M! I can hold my own with a DS3 controller any day of the week, for those of you too lazy to aim properly, or not bothered to learn the guns then go play cod with all of the rest, don't turn DUST into COD, thats why half of us came here in the first place.

Either tone it down, back to 1.3 'Sticky' targeting (refined obv..), Turn it off and nerf KB&M or im pretty much going to be a sniping *** until theres a change.

Would it be "fair" (i know "fair" is an unknown idea around here in New Eden , but anyway) enough to award players, who turn aimbot off for shooting with weapons affected by aim assist, with more WP? 50% 100% 200% 300%

Or is this even worse idea than current state aim assist?

Have been asking this for around month and nobody has commented on it...

The difference is that i building a "strong platform" to work with...slowly i developing my play-style, to eventually i reach the TOP of my way of playing... you guys are going to be stuck in you Proto gear for ever, because you know that ones you leave you "God" suit.. you going to be as ordinary as everyone else.

Why my choice is not good ? Core Skills allows me to use every suit effectively, I can take a Logi role if my team needs that, or use my AV suit to destroy a tank... or jump into my heavy suit with my HMG and defend a position, or use my scout to quickly hack terminals and deploy up-links, i can even counter-snipe with my Sniper class...

You way of thinking is restricted...

What you going to do when you have maxed you Proto suit ? Leave the game ?

It doesnt jump, that complete and utter tosh ive been saying since 1.4 hit its just hit detection making the true power of the weapons possible, the ar is the prime example, wether people can aim or not, you can kill people with your eyes closed with it, I think most vets are bitter because the texan 2 step isnt a valid tactic, thats why they hated the md, the reason they hate grenades,and the reason they hated the forge gun!!

The difference is that i building a "strong platform" to work with...slowly i developing my play-style, to eventually i reach the TOP of my way of playing... you guys are going to be stuck in you Proto gear for ever, because you know that ones you leave you "God" suit.. you going to be as ordinary as everyone else.

And people who spec into god suits are building a strong platform for there playstyle, everything advanced or 1 proto and a few on the side bits and pieces there all valid!!

for seasoned vets in fps games it is very commonly nown that aim assist is more of a hindrance as their fine aiming skills are thrown around by computer input. i guess it would be like trying to aim with sniper sway. People who dont have this fine aim are probably loving the aim assist.

The rewards a player receives for fine aiming skill are very very shallow in 1.4

i think the forge gun is the bees knees and im a tank driver. Frankly, i have seen it, others have seen it, a CPM has now made a thread about it, the only ones defending it are those who probably need it.....

AND EVEN IF aim assist wasnt as bad as it clearly is, you dont build a game for the noobs, you build it for the diehard vets who will be your most loyal fans and playerbase. Simply put, noobs dont know what they are talking about.

So the freaks don't have a massive advantage anymore, just a huge advantage. I don't see this as an issue TBH. If they are so good, then it shouldn't be a problem. The aim-assist we get in game is nowhere near an 'aimbot', It is just being blown out of proportion by the freaks who aren't as good as they thought, and just got lucky they could adapt to crap aiming.

Dare I say it, but aim-assist QQers, how about you HTFU?

yeah... that is my point...the game allows you to approach the game-play in different ways... you need to go back several post in this thread to understand.

The forge gun is a bit op verses vechiles, but infantry its mediocre, but people made whole threads about the splash damage on how it was too wide and did too much damage, the only aoe weapon that wasnt complained about that much was the pc, because it was terrible, yet i still saw the odd threads. Aim assist does need a LITTLE tweaking just a little, people are over exagerating, and the fact that hit detection was fixed simultaneously compounds the issue, many people feel shots are hitting because of aim assist, when actually they probably hit already. Noobs dont know what there talking about, but the game needs to be accessible by them, vets effectively appearing as if they want to hog the game isnt right, the gap between mlt and proto has indeed been shortened but that is not down to aim assist it the fact the difference between mlt and proto equates to an extra 0.8 seconds against an ar!

Ive been reading since the start please refer to my post where I accidentally quoted myself, top of page 3!

I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ?

Before the last Respec i was a Proto Caldari... and i got bore with it, so i decided to use a different approach; Core skills and multiple specializations.. The game allows me to think like that..it encourages me to think like that..A different way to play the game, is not necessarily the "wrong" way.

ugh.....come on mac....i dont like walls of text...i do it every once in a while but try to be nice.

its a forge gun. if you get hit, your going down. splash could be construed as too wide, but i am with CCP in that it is fine as it is and is situational enough to warrant an "A-OK" label in my eyes. maybe switch damage of assault with standard. higher ROF should not be met with more damage.

Vets dont want to hog the game, we just want our skills and grind to translate into something. I have seen more free militia assault starter fits running around beast moding proto suits in the last two days than i think is healthy for this game.

It doesnt jump, that complete and utter tosh ive been saying since 1.4 hit its just hit detection making the true power of the weapons possible, the ar is the prime example, wether people can aim or not, you can kill people with your eyes closed with it, I think most vets are bitter because the texan 2 step isnt a valid tactic, thats why they hated the md, the reason they hate grenades,and the reason they hated the forge gun!!

Everyone in EVE wants a titan, but you sure as hell cant get it in one day and you SURE AS HELL cant come kill one in your noob frigate.

Yes it does jump, it happend more than severall times last night. Definately amplified when you kill one merc standing next to another. I believe theres also videos on youtube. So stick your tosh up your jacksy mate.

lol i think i might start having tea and crumpets instead of popcorn for this one

Yes it does jump, it happend more than severall times last night. Definately amplified when you kill one merc standing next to another. I believe theres also videos on youtube. So stick your tosh up your jacksy mate.

Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe.

Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games.

**** i will set up my recorder right now and show you my laser rifle jumps after i make one kill and beads onto the guy next to him without me (with aim assist on)