Aim assist levels the playing field to a very fair degree. No matter how bad or good you are, as long as you can get close it will help you from there.

This is not a bad thing.

Good players will be quicker with their reactions, be able to adapt and shift the aim assist a little better, resulting in a few more hits. But overall, the gap between a skilled player and someone who is not great is definitely closer. The difference between a skilled veteran and a new player is a lot smaller now than it was. I'm for it. Whatever it takes to resurrect this game.

This down to the fact the ar does damage with near perfect accuracy, no kick or spread. Do you not think 360 dmg a second is a bit much?

Then how is it a benefit to new players at all.
Noob +1
Veteran +2
=Noob - 1

Yes I belive this where the problem lies, aim assist isnt as bad as you think, once the ar works more like an ar and not a full auto sniper rifle, the aimbot threads will calm down!!

Well, nothing is stopping the vets from using it to make them even more godly at aiming. So not sure what the problem is.

If the assist could only be used by players with X amount of SP, then I might agree. But that is not the case, as anybody can use and take advantage of it.


I tried playing with and without the assist, the difference was minute, with assist it helped me track players better when they were moving, and it offers a bit of help in hip-fire tracking.

Heck, I actually think CCP stealth nerfed the aim assist during DT, as aiming tonight feels a lot different than it did pre-DT.

[quote=Aero Yassavi]Depends on your point of view. It makes the random blueberries better which benefits you since it's a team game, but it also means less pub stomps and some people actually dying in their proto suits. Personally I think it is still overall a bonus. My performance on the battlefield has remained very much unchanged, but the battles have been more fun.

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As a newer player who is starting to "get gud" I have looked forward to the day I get to the point where it is me pubstomping. Now I feel that feeling will be cheapened. Yes, I know this is my opinion but I wanted to have that feels that I'm a god on the battlefield one day.

In my opinion proto suits should be severly hard to kill, it makes it worth it putting in the grind to get there.

I turn my auto aim assist off so I have the dignity to say I did it all on my own. This is how I feel it should always be. Aim assist to me is a big crutch that makes too many newbs better than they really are. Again, just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

I have been doing somewhat better since the update but I attribute that to the improved hit detection as I have the aim assist turned off. This improved hit detection is what has made it more fun for me.

I'm all for aim assist on console shooters, but with that said I think the current assist can be tuned down a bit.

I don't have the links, but I know the devs themselfs stated that the best aim assist is the one you don't notice.
This one you do, ever so slightly (I am not talking about when you are on the receiving end)

I also remember that each gun have their own aim assist settings (don't know if that applies to variants of the same weapon), and it might be that some is currently wonkey, and needs tuning. SMG in CQC comes to mind, where I felt the assist was way over the top.

Instead of screaming "aim bot" or "its perfect", lets list the weapons you use which you think there is something wrong with the assist. Also state if it applies to Long, Medium or Short Range.

I have currently used AR (standard militia) and SMG, and only feels the my aim assist is over the top in Short Range, especially for sidearms.

Your thoughts?

I have to disagree. I believe in theory what you're saying holds true, that being Proto fit requires alot of work. But in reality, it does not. It simply requires time. A noob who sticks it out, or someone who rocks boosters for the first couple months can go Proto. That does not necessarily require skill, so much as skill points.

The problem with a tiered shooter like this is that eventually, you have to either make the difference in tiers large enough so that the other tiers justify the cost, or small enough so that everyone feels like they can stand on "equal" footing. Of course, the former means that higher SP character will have a massive advantage, scaring off potential new players, and punishing the higher SP players who refuse to spend millions on a single match. The latter means that veteran, higher SP players feel that all their hard work was for nothing, and that they're really gaining nothing from the more expensive suits.

CoD has none of these problems, because the core mechanic is 'Spawn, shoot, die, repeat'. DUST adds additional layers of risk/reward and expenses to the equation, which screw everything all up. That's DUST's greatest advantage and it's Achillies heel. It has not quite figured out how to balance itself, or which path it wants to take.

Maybe that's why we have so many tankers out there. Why invest your SP into a Proto suit which as small advantages over its STD and MLT variants, when you can spend the same amount getting into a tank with clear advantages in survivability and killing power.

I think CCP is failing to see the bigger picture, i have the same SP as every Protobear out there..but i only have one Proto gun that i never use. Instead i decided to go for a "bit" of everything, Avd heavy, Assault, Logi, Commando, Scout... and also Avd in several weapons too, plus i nearly maxed all my core skills. I have spend the some time, and done the same grind as everyone else, but i decided to play the game differently... so i should be punish for that ?

Before the last Respec i was a Proto Caldari... and i got bore with it, so i decided to use a different approach; Core skills and multiple specializations.. The game allows me to think like that..it encourages me to think like that..A different way to play the game, is not necessarily the "wrong" way.

Why my choice is not good ? Core Skills allows me to use every suit effectively, I can take a Logi role if my team needs that, or use my AV suit to destroy a tank... or jump into my heavy suit with my HMG a defend a position, or use my scout to quickly hack terminals and deploy up-links, i can even counter-snipe with my Sniper class...

You way of thinking is restricted...

What you going to do when you have maxed you Proto suit ? Leave the game ?

He means specialise AND THEN branch out... that way you always have a solid base to fall back on

Not saying thats right, but thats what i did too lol

So.. what.. some of you guys decided to go "God" mode first, them get bore with it, and then do what i doing right now ? I decided to do it the other way around...build the house from the floor up... not starting with the roof.

The difference is that i building a "strong platform" to work with...slowly i developing my play-style, to eventually i reach the TOP of my way of playing... you guys are going to be stuck in you Proto gear for ever, because you know that ones you leave you "God" suit.. you going to be as ordinary as everyone else.

It doesnt jump, that complete and utter tosh ive been saying since 1.4 hit its just hit detection making the true power of the weapons possible, the ar is the prime example, wether people can aim or not, you can kill people with your eyes closed with it, I think most vets are bitter because the texan 2 step isnt a valid tactic, thats why they hated the md, the reason they hate grenades,and the reason they hated the forge gun!!

So the freaks don't have a massive advantage anymore, just a huge advantage. I don't see this as an issue TBH. If they are so good, then it shouldn't be a problem. The aim-assist we get in game is nowhere near an 'aimbot', It is just being blown out of proportion by the freaks who aren't as good as they thought, and just got lucky they could adapt to crap aiming.

Dare I say it, but aim-assist QQers, how about you HTFU?

The forge gun is a bit op verses vechiles, but infantry its mediocre, but people made whole threads about the splash damage on how it was too wide and did too much damage, the only aoe weapon that wasnt complained about that much was the pc, because it was terrible, yet i still saw the odd threads. Aim assist does need a LITTLE tweaking just a little, people are over exagerating, and the fact that hit detection was fixed simultaneously compounds the issue, many people feel shots are hitting because of aim assist, when actually they probably hit already. Noobs dont know what there talking about, but the game needs to be accessible by them, vets effectively appearing as if they want to hog the game isnt right, the gap between mlt and proto has indeed been shortened but that is not down to aim assist it the fact the difference between mlt and proto equates to an extra 0.8 seconds against an ar!

Yes it does jump, it happend more than severall times last night. Definately amplified when you kill one merc standing next to another. I believe theres also videos on youtube. So stick your tosh up your jacksy mate.

Yeah.. but Dust 514 is different ... because noob frigates and titans are all mixed up in a "Small" sandbox.. not in a HUGE universe.

Fundamentally Dust 514 and EvE are to completely different games.

Thats fine ill wait right here, if you could also show your controller at the same time it would br much appreciated!!

Perhaps that is the "dream" ... but the reality is very different right now. Dust 514 right now is like trowing allot of ingredients into a pot .. and see what happens... steep back a bit... just in case it blows up.

Aim Bot can NEVER beat good tactics though. :)

Yeah, I don't understand the leet crowd complaining about aim assist. If you are such a great shot with a controller then wouldn't you still be better with aimbot?

Sounds like some ppl aren't used to dying or worrying about being shot. No more proto suits flapping in the breeze boys!

Ballet Academy is over. Learn to mosey, amble and sashay like a real warrior.

I once beaten a real aim bot (the kind that auto shoots your head when you hold down the trigger with a highest damage semi-auto rifle.) on PC in BF2... I been banned from all (as in even today I can't play any multiplayer bf on pc) the local servers ever since... It really sucks that the only server cluster in acceptable ping range.

Either way did a better job at crafting this thread good amounts of back and forth going.