wait a minute... so fitting dampeners to get around without being scanned works?

unless its a proto scanner... to which the direct counter is a proto suit?


/end_sarcasm

btw.. your squad can see your targets was the impression i got.

There's a Focused Active Scanner with a precision of 15. The only suit that can fit enough profile dampeners is the Prototype Gallente Gk.0 because it has enough low slots to do that, the Minmatar one doesn't.

...That's not completely correct. The proto gal scout is the only scout that can avoid it, but apparently so can the gal logi.

Thanks, Aeon. Seriously, thanks for everything.

In the short run, the Devs could hotfix us in any number of ways to keep us in the game. Doing so wouldn't be sufficient to curb our performance decline, but it'd help to staunch the bleeding while we wait for 1.6.

Hotfix Ideas:

• Drastically reduce the cost of Light/Scout Suits.
• Dial down Aim-Assist or make us more resistant to it.
• Reduce damage at range of ARs and ScRs.
• Add to Scout base statistics (Stamina, Speed, CPU, PG, HP).
• Add to Scout base Scan Radius.
• Improve Scout base Scan Profile/Precision.

These are short-term "numeric" buffs which again would help more than than fix the floundering Scout. I've put up and opinion-piece on how the Devs might go about fixing Scouts in the long run (i.e. come 1.6):

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107513

^ I've always respected your approach to problem-solving, so I'd very much appreciate your input here should you have time.

Thanks Again,
Shotty GoBang

Lawl, so the Logi is again better at something that another role should be good at.

Edit: Also, please put m^2 as it is referring to an area not a distance. (I'm know I'm nitpicking)

Haha nice eye.

So the mini scout with pd maxed is 30 db, advanced scanner is 28 db, pd to level five means a complex mod knocks off 7.5 each which Still lands me at 15 db, proto scanner is 15 db.

Why dafuk, did I even waste points in profile dampening, I had mine at 4 before the scanner even came out an now this means my 2 low slot scout always needs a pd in a low slot to beat the advanced scanner but I ll never beat the proto scanner?!!!

Utter HORSE$ HIT!

Wholey waste of points!

However prototype scanners NEED to counter scouts, otherwise scouts would be OP for theres no effective way in countering you.

Well scouts are the weakest Suits and therefore should be the cheapest but a proto scout should be more expensive than a std. Or even adv. Medium suit. Just because prototype technologie should stay expensive.

Well I think every suit fulfills a role, and the role of scouts is Stealth. To accomplish this stealthing you need to move fast, just think about guerilla strategies, pop up, throw nades or give some headshots. BEFORE the enemy player even realizes you are there, a skilled scout should already be long time gone before the enemy moves his vision in that direction. Thats why you need speed and stealth.

With this strategie done proper you coupd possibly be a beast on the field. I agree that scouts need some love. But scouts also need to realize what they are made for.
Everytime I faced such a ninja on the field he gave me a hard time with that. And with turned of squad vision this should even be easier for scouts to archiev, and this is absolutely a buff to scouts in my eyes. And I like that. This gives a more strategic feel to the game.

However prototype scanners NEED to counter scouts, otherwise scouts would be OP for theres no effective way in countering you. Thats the reason why the scanners work as intended. And like someone mentioned before nearly noone rocks the scanner for there is no WP reward, and even less people run with proto scanners. But I think 1 proto scanner seems to be a must habe per squad by now.

So all in all with the right use I think scouts can still be beast, and for what I here speed tanking is no valid option for ANYBODY anymore.

Oh, and not many people use scanners

I don't agree that scouts should avoid proto scanners without a profile dampener. However, one complex profile dampener should definitely hide you from at least the proto quantum scanner.
Scouts should be able to avoid basic scanners with just the suit and maybe lvl 1 in dampening. The dampening modules should be for assault suits that want to try stealth. As soon as anyone starts sacrificing their limited slots and resources on dampeners they should get major benefits. You should not have to equip more than one. A scout with a basic profile dampener should be invisible to an advanced scanner, and so on.

Ok here is my experience.

I run the prototype basic Minmatar light suit, I dont have skills for scout suit up yet and I still cant decide if I want the super stealthy option with 4 lows or the Minmatar shielded scout version, but with less stealth.

I only have dampening at level 3, but I run with one advanced profile dampener and as of yet I have not been scanned.

I run with the proto active scanner, the duvolle 15Db one. Every time I am scanned (so far) it tells me I have prevented enemy scanning. Also with my 15Db I have yet to encounter someone that I couldn't scan.

That being said I imagine that will change now that everyone and there mum will want prototype scanners and stuff.

However scout survivability with the new aimbot feature, well its a hard life being a scout. People with militia rifles only have to look at me funny and I'm gone.

Gone are the days of jumping over peoples heads and strafing around fat heavies with the shotty.

If there was no way for us to beat the proto scanners, our entire advantage is gone the moment someone equips one. With scanners and visibility, you're either spotted or not. Whereas with, say, EHP changes to a suit, it gets slightly easier or harder to kill. Us scouts have no other advantages than lowered radar visibility. The speed isn't really an advantage as long as assaults are pretty damned near as fast as us, plus the fact that the improved aiming makes sure we're dead before we can even hit the sprint button. If we're spotted, we're dead.

The counter to us being unscannable (if we sacrifice a crapload of slots and/or sink millions of SP into the relevant skills) is to turn around. Stop looking just the way you're running or shooting, and we're just as easily spotted as anyone else.

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1) Aeon is full of misrepresented fact.

Basic Scanner is 40, Advanced Scanner is 36, and Proto Scanner is 28. There is 1 scanner that goes to 15, but it is twice the cost of the others, has lowest range, and the shortest duration. And the fitting is costly. Nearly all the pub match guys, even in teh matchmaking from the 20M+ SP groups, will be running ADV for cost and fitting effectiveness.

2) Nearly irrelevant but a Gallente Scout can beat 15 with 3 complex and 1 basic dampener.

3) My "Good" suit has 1 kincat, 1 CardReg, 1 plate, and 1 Repair in the low slots. Last build, where everyone could see me magically that was what i did best in for slaying. It is still great.
However, my "Scan" suit that I had from day 1 of Uprising, which is 3 range amps and 1 profile dampener, is doing fantastic (and actually useful). I'm killing more and dying less. average is about 18-21 kills and 0-3 deaths per match.

We know Scouts are getting "Something" to balance them in 1.5 or (more likely 1.6) so for know, just run it like you used to. The Minmatar Scout just needs to sacrifice 1 lowslot to be invisible to proto scanners just like the Gallente Scouts.
Complaing that a Scout suit shouldn't have already specialized into Scanning skills, and specifically Profile Dampening, is just ridiculous. Those skills are far more effective than Armor Upgrades and Shield Upgrades for the Scouts.

Well scouts are the weakest Suits and therefore should be the cheapest but a proto scout should be more expensive than a std. Or even adv. Medium suit. Just because prototype technologie should stay expensive.

Well I think every suit fulfills a role, and the role of scouts is Stealth. To accomplish this stealthing you need to move fast, just think about guerilla strategies, pop up, throw nades or give some headshots. BEFORE the enemy player even realizes you are there, a skilled scout should already be long time gone before the enemy moves his vision in that direction. Thats why you need speed and stealth.

With this strategie done proper you coupd possibly be a beast on the field. I agree that scouts need some love. But scouts also need to realize what they are made for.
Everytime I faced such a ninja on the field he gave me a hard time with that. And with turned of squad vision this should even be easier for scouts to archiev, and this is absolutely a buff to scouts in my eyes. And I like that. This gives a more strategic feel to the game.

However prototype scanners NEED to counter scouts, otherwise scouts would be OP for theres no effective way in countering you. Thats the reason why the scanners work as intended. And like someone mentioned before nearly noone rocks the scanner for there is no WP reward, and even less people run with proto scanners. But I think 1 proto scanner seems to be a must habe per squad by now.

So all in all with the right use I think scouts can still be beast, and for what I here speed tanking is no valid option for ANYBODY anymore.