So the Scout gets less than 15db. Cue the whines from people with Proto Scanners, "Why can't my best scanner scan scouts WTF CCP!"

Same difference

Last time I checked scouts and logis where next in the barrel. 1.4 changes are precursor for the scout buff I believe.

Scout buff or legitimate role that no-one else can do better than them?

You say that like giving them a legitimate role wouldn't be a buff.

Than you read it wrong.

Simply buffing Scouts isn't going to make them more or less worthwhile than other builds - it's already been established that pretty much anything with four/five low slots can better stealth tank than a Scout, despite their inherent reduction to profile from their dropsuit skill.

Other suits are better for combat as well, and a lack of equipment slots means has been another notable problem.

Suffice to say there isn't a single thing that they can do that another dropsuit specialization can't do better - Minmatar Logistics are better for hacking, pretty much any suit has better survivability, all of them have better slot layouts to some degree or another and this list goes on.

In fact, the -ONLY- thing that they can do that no-one else can is reliant on the Minmatar and it's bonus to knives, as even with all skills level 5 a Minmatar Scout suit can only melee as hard as a heavy - so it's only unique aspect is with the Nova Knives. But, like everything else, the risks fair outweigh the reward there.

Re-arranging some stats and making them "better per say" isn't going to give them what they really need and that's a reason to be played - a legitimate role that no-one else has, much like Logistics have lots of equipment slots, Heavy's have access to heavy weaponry and Commandos have access to two light weapons. They need something to set them apart, drastically, that only they can do. A buff cannot give them this.

for those that are lazy, scouts need a clear and unique role that only they can perform, not any other suit. i can't even tell what their role is in this game and i been a scout since I started playing this game.

Ideally, the Scout is meant to be a very fast flanker and... scout. They get into enemy territory quickly, scope out the situation, maybe drop some uplinks, and get out. They would theoretically have the power to eliminate unwary opponents who may see them while they are sneaking about. Scouting is all about getting into the enemy's business without them knowing and then getting out just as fast. That is what the Scout SHOULD be capable of. A very skilled player can do this. It is certainly not easy and requires a great deal of smarts and preparedness as well as the ability to make quick decisions. I think the Scout needs tweaking to make this role easier, for sure. Cloaking modules being a unique feature for them might be one possibility. Just a thought.

However prototype scanners NEED to counter scouts, otherwise scouts would be OP for theres no effective way in countering you.

Dude.

The Aurum active scanners are broken. They don't have the right stats.
Oh, and not many people use scanners
And no one ever would use the focused. The quantum is SOOO much better because it makes players last on the radar for 25 seconds.

I mainly use advanced scanners anyways, so at level 5 you're hidden from me, and the majority of players. The people who actually have scanners are limited, and those with prototype are even fewer.

Stop complaining and shoot me in the back already.

I didn't explain enough, so since gallente can stack pd cause of the lows the mini could stack precision mods an act like a predator?

Aeon is precision mods to scan a low db so I don't need a scanner? How low can I scan? So if gallente is for dampeners, I could use a mini as a hunter?

Using the ADV scanners, I've yet to have a 'some margin of error' message, and I know there have been scouts I've scanned down.

Well scouts are the weakest Suits and therefore should be the cheapest but a proto scout should be more expensive than a std. Or even adv. Medium suit. Just because prototype technologie should stay expensive.

Well I think every suit fulfills a role, and the role of scouts is Stealth. To accomplish this stealthing you need to move fast, just think about guerilla strategies, pop up, throw nades or give some headshots. BEFORE the enemy player even realizes you are there, a skilled scout should already be long time gone before the enemy moves his vision in that direction. Thats why you need speed and stealth.

With this strategie done proper you coupd possibly be a beast on the field. I agree that scouts need some love. But scouts also need to realize what they are made for.
Everytime I faced such a ninja on the field he gave me a hard time with that. And with turned of squad vision this should even be easier for scouts to archiev, and this is absolutely a buff to scouts in my eyes. And I like that. This gives a more strategic feel to the game.

However prototype scanners NEED to counter scouts, otherwise scouts would be OP for theres no effective way in countering you. Thats the reason why the scanners work as intended. And like someone mentioned before nearly noone rocks the scanner for there is no WP reward, and even less people run with proto scanners. But I think 1 proto scanner seems to be a must habe per squad by now.

So all in all with the right use I think scouts can still be beast, and for what I here speed tanking is no valid option for ANYBODY anymore.

Some of you guys acting like something isn't wrong.

I'm sorry.

Scouts need a cloaking device.
Scouts need a way to bump up their damage significantly, besides knives and shotguns. They need to have a dramatic offensive advantage to off-set their dramatic defensive disadvantage.

They used to be able to use sniper rifles....... look at how that went.

I wouldn't give them more defense, but more speed and offense for sure.

Maybe even "takedowns".

Some of you guys acting like something isn't wrong.

I'm sorry.

Scouts need a cloaking device.
Scouts need a way to bump up their damage significantly, besides knives and shotguns. They need to have a dramatic offensive advantage to off-set their dramatic defensive disadvantage.

They used to be able to use sniper rifles....... look at how that went.

I wouldn't give them more defense, but more speed and offense for sure.

Maybe even "takedowns".