+1 poster, +1 Shotty

I just want to add something that keeps nagging me when reading all the replies about scanning and scouts and "Stealth Tanking".

Every kill I get is earned by staying OUT OF THE LINE OF SIGHT of my victim. Every death I take is because I was IN THE LINE OF SIGHT of my victim and was unable to disengage.

The bottom line is ... scanners don't kill me, before or after 1.4, before or after Tac-net nerf. Some one checking their peripherals kills me before and after 1.4.

Pre 1.4 if I was spotted during an approach I could veer off, sprint away fast enough to get around a corner before the hail of bullets killed me. Post 1.4 this is impossible, if I am seen, I am killed.

I don't care how they nerf or buff scanners, because its not what gets a scout killed ... agility === survivability for a scout in Dust. Most likely who ever is scanning is not going to pick out the scout out of all the other red dots on the map, or even if they did be able to convey effective info to his squad/team to track me ... let alone catch up with me if I saw them coming.

I do see the 'coolness' that can be achieved by adding the scanning function to the game, but I really hope CCP does not consider scanner tweaks as 'buffing scouts' ... because it doesn't matter ...

+1 poster, +1 Shotty

I just want to add something that keeps nagging me when reading all the replies about scanning and scouts and "Stealth Tanking".

Every kill I get is earned by staying OUT OF THE LINE OF SIGHT of my victim. Every death I take is because I was IN THE LINE OF SIGHT of my victim and was unable to disengage.

The bottom line is ... scanners don't kill me, before or after 1.4, before or after Tac-net nerf. Some one checking their peripherals kills me before and after 1.4.

Pre 1.4 if I was spotted during an approach I could veer off, sprint away fast enough to get around a corner before the hail of bullets killed me. Post 1.4 this is impossible, if I am seen, I am killed.

I don't care how they nerf or buff scanners, because its not what gets a scout killed ... agility === survivability for a scout in Dust. Most likely who ever is scanning is not going to pick out the scout out of all the other red dots on the map, or even if they did be able to convey effective info to his squad/team to track me ... let alone catch up with me if I saw them coming.

I do see the 'coolness' that can be achieved by adding the scanning function to the game, but I really hope CCP does not consider scanner tweaks as 'buffing scouts' ... because it doesn't matter ...

+1 poster, +1 Shotty

I just want to add something that keeps nagging me when reading all the replies about scanning and scouts and "Stealth Tanking".

Every kill I get is earned by staying OUT OF THE LINE OF SIGHT of my victim. Every death I take is because I was IN THE LINE OF SIGHT of my victim and was unable to disengage.

The bottom line is ... scanners don't kill me, before or after 1.4, before or after Tac-net nerf. Some one checking their peripherals kills me before and after 1.4.

Pre 1.4 if I was spotted during an approach I could veer off, sprint away fast enough to get around a corner before the hail of bullets killed me. Post 1.4 this is impossible, if I am seen, I am killed.

I don't care how they nerf or buff scanners, because its not what gets a scout killed ... agility === survivability for a scout in Dust. Most likely who ever is scanning is not going to pick out the scout out of all the other red dots on the map, or even if they did be able to convey effective info to his squad/team to track me ... let alone catch up with me if I saw them coming.

I do see the 'coolness' that can be achieved by adding the scanning function to the game, but I really hope CCP does not consider scanner tweaks as 'buffing scouts' ... because it doesn't matter ...

you all underestimate the dedicated scout.

they aren't stupid but clever. A truely steathly scout could break the 15db threshold if they wanted to but its taking them some time to adequately prep for the task. I think i can hear the menus of fits being tweaked and tecniques being developed as i write this.

trust me this only makes the kill sweeter for those proud few scouts. Besides scouts have been dieing for over a year now and they still manage to be an annoyance on the battlefield.

Last time I checked scouts and logis where next in the barrel. 1.4 changes are precursor for the scout buff I believe.

wait a minute... so fitting dampeners to get around without being scanned works?

unless its a proto scanner... to which the direct counter is a proto suit?


/end_sarcasm

btw.. your squad can see your targets was the impression i got.

Sounds balanced to me.

In order to beat the focussed scanner yu need a scout gk0, invest roughly 1.8 mil SP (compared to 470K to use the scanner) and two or three profiledampener. Equiping three profiledampers leaves yu quite vulnerable only one low slot left and not very much CPU/PG to fit anything else

This is another one of my gripes about being a Scout. It is incredibly SP intensive to be able to fit well, and in its current form, even when you fit it well, its level of usefulness in competitive PC play is extremely low at best. And to counter its best assets, you need only invest a pittance of SP.

While some Scout specialists out there might be able to do very well, they are an elite few.

The Scout community and a few advocates have very well articulated the plight of the class, and continue to do so. And most of the counter arguments are posted by people who have limited to no knowledge or understanding of what it's truly like.

Just wait until they start giving points for using the Active Scanner, lmfao. I advocated for that but now that I'm seeing the results of it's use I'm wanting to recant that statement.

Suggested a 'Chance to scan' concept the other day when I was in a Scouts United squad. It will depend on the difference between Scan Precision of the active scanner VS the Profile of the ones being scanned. Got a -1 from Marauder.....

Maybe give a side bonus to people with low profile signatures: they get scanned down but the lower profile sig the faster your dot disappears on tac net.

Would be nice to have an equipment that produces false readings on a scanner. EWAR baby.


***edit:

PS. How does the 'Margin of Error' mechanic on Active Scanners work exactly anyway? Do you get false readings? Do the dot on the tacnet appear meters away from where the actual person is? What is the meaning of life?

Basically if I scan in your direction and all of your buddies light up but you don't because your profile defeated the scan it will tell me "some margin of error" so that I know there's -something- in there that didn't get picked up. It's sort of a BS mechanic but, hey, at least you're not on the minimap.

You are wrong I run 2 advance dampners and have yet to run into a scanner that can pick me up and I am a Cal Logi.

We're talking about scouts. And they can't fit 2 advanced dampeners and anything else to be of use. So what's your point?

45 DB
x.35 (.25 proto suit skill + .15 profile dampening skill)
=.29.25 DB

put on one prototype dampener and its brought down to 18

enough to evade everything but duvolle active scanner which was probably specifically created to catch any scout that didn't run at least 2 advanced profile dampeners with max skills

this game is all about sacrifices you have to sacrifice to be the best at someting

you want to disappear off radar going to have to sacrifice some armor or stamina and speed mods maybe for some profile dampeners and maybe cpu mods

Dude.

The Aurum active scanners are broken. They don't have the right stats.
Oh, and not many people use scanners
And no one ever would use the focused. The quantum is SOOO much better because it makes players last on the radar for 25 seconds.

I mainly use advanced scanners anyways, so at level 5 you're hidden from me, and the majority of players. The people who actually have scanners are limited, and those with prototype are even fewer.

Stop complaining and shoot me in the back already.

Can you imagine being Solid Snake or Adam Jensen and then at any given point, all enemies on the map either know where you are or at least know a) someone is there b) the general direction you are in?

I'm wondering,

If/when CCP makes some form of cloaking device... what would prevent logi, assault, or heavy from using it? If other classes can also use it, doesn't that also defeat the scouts' affect?

This might be a crazy idea, but what about giving the scout a specialized slot that ONLY scouts have. One that would carry cloaking devices (and perhaps other specialized devices in the future) Sort of like how the Heavy is the only class to have a "heavy weapon" slot. Maybe take away the grenade slot, and replace it with the "stealth equipment" slot. (for lack of a better term)

Easier solution is just put a flag on the equipment module that says "scout only = true"

Active Camo!
... just build it right in
... no "mod" nonsense
... don't have enough PG/CPU as is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHW2EEgX7FE
^ (00:15) Like this for shotgunners

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDG4sPul8w
^ (01:40) Like this for snipers

Balance!?
... don't worry about Balance :p
... we can deal with that later
... Scouts are sooo squishy

Sexual Tyrannosaurus!?
... yes, we must borrow this as well
... maybe for a new heavy suit
... commando, sentinel, sexual tyrannosaurus


- Shotty GoBang

o/ Aeon!

It's pretty well known that the CPM are unanimous that no-one should ever be able to Predator kill someone. I disagree'd but... to each their own.

I wholeheartedly agree.
The original Predator was clearly a noob.
He got negative WP for all those dishonorable kills.

On a more serious note, there are dozens of ways to balance cloak.
Hoping CCP makes it a Scout exclusive.
Otherwise, Logis will still be better Scouts than Scouts.