+1, Signed.

CCP, put this back the way it was ASAP. Do NOT wait until 1.5.

Also air to air combat is now just silly. Can hardly see anything at all....

We just had a TWENTY MINUTE match with 5-6 assault dropships all fighting eachother.

Nobody could stay on or hit any of the other pilots. All good pilots...
Camera is BORKED

I was in that match, and I couldn't score a kill on you or your teammates for the life of me. I will also attach my name to this cause.

I was in that match, and I couldn't score a kill on you or your teammates for the life of me. I will also attach my name to this cause.

Yeah was chaos for sure. When in massive air battles you need a large field of view. A couple times I almost crashed into you or one of your team mates simply because I couldn't see. I'm not a novice pilot, though I sure felt like one trying to hit your dropships.
Flying with condor squadron was really amazing, having so many pilots working together gave us quite the edge in battle. If we tried that now, Nguruthors IX and I both agree that it just wouldn't work. We would just end up crashing into each other by mistake. I got broadsided pretty hard by a MLT gallente ship before I could even react.

I think the camera angles just fine

I vote to keep the new angle for the ADS but return it to the old one for LDS and SDS.

would you be ok with an option for ADS pilots to have the other camera? I wouldn't mind having two.

Situational awareness is paramount to a pilot. Real pilots have an official responsibility to "See and avoid" other aircraft.

This camera severely imparts that ability.

Return to he previous camera as a stop gap, but build a "virtual" first person view (hull cameras transmitted to the helmet screen) that replicates the wide view of a light helicopter. That would eliminate the dropship from blocking the view (rendering it essentially invisible). Adding flight instruments to the HUD would eliminate the need to watch the ship in third person view in order to control it.

Give us the option to hook up a set of USB rudder pedals for yaw control so we can use the Right stick for independent look control. Pilots will love you!

This is a petition to return the 1.3 camera angle to the dropship. If you are a pilot then I'm sure you know what I'm talking about and if you would like to show support for this please post in this thread with your yea or nay.
CCP I think I understand your reasoning. We thank you for trying to make using the turret better, though it has caused more problems than its worth. Please return the 1.3 camera angle to the dropship, either as an option or as the standard.

For those of you who are not pilots and for CCP I will explain.

The new camera angle not only makes flying harder, but also limits the effectiveness of the dropship. Most of my flying was based around seeing my dropship, looking at my angle of attack and watching where my engines were pointed. My take off was based entirely off of these two things.

With the new camera angle I can no longer see half of my dropship when flying, this makes gauging my angle of attack, and my position in the air much harder than it should be. I feel as though I am constantly fighting with the camera the turret and the dropship.

When I attempt to see my dropship from an angle like 1.3 (seeing my engines and the rest of my craft) the engines and AFT section of the dropship completely fills my screen. Also when doing hard banks the camera moves inside of the dropship which almost makes me crash.

Having the camera so close to the front of the dropship has decreased our FOV quite substantially. I can no longer see around my dropship very well, this makes spotting forge gunners and rail tanks almost impossible unless they are directly in front of your dropship. I haven't encountered swarms yet but I know its harder to spot them already. That second when the forge gunner missed or the rail tank came over the hill was enough to save at least 50 of my dropships. I simply cant see them now.

Dropping troops is also really difficult now because we cant really see anything except for whats right in front of us. Since we have to move the entire dropship to look around its less about flying and more about spinning around. I feel like a horse with blinders on.

I have to completely forget about complex maneuvers now and relearn flying all together. This is heart breaking for me as I know I will never be as good or effective as a pilot as I was with the other camera view. All those months of becoming a good pilot have now been for not and I have to start again from scratch at more of a disadvantage

please return the old camera CCP,
Edit: please give us our wings back....
signed,
Pvt Numnutz
ladwar
Nguruthos IX
TheEnd762
Henchmen21
Waldkraut
Funkmaster Whale
Commander Dizzle
Gabriella Grey
T8R Raid
CeeJ Mantis
Gloomy Cobra
Telleth
V1RONXSS (I think)
Skihids
Alena Ventrallis
Hunter Junko
Skybladev2
Piraten Hovnoret
shaman oga
Ghural

We just had a TWENTY MINUTE match with 5-6 assault dropships all fighting eachother.

Nobody could stay on or hit any of the other pilots. All good pilots...
Camera is BORKED

I still manage to Kill my opposing dropship even with the angle, i fly smoother with it for some reason

but maybe a tad less zoom so we aren't looking up the bum of our dropships

PS:I Like the camera angle just not the up the bum view

Might be because they Might have nerfed the speed of assault dropships LOL

they are actually faster, and they gain speed faster, more mobility as well

The smooth flying is leaned towards the sway of the camera and more stability they have

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.

Thank you Wolfman I appreciate the response. I would like to thank you again for trying this out, I do see the advantages of having the camera at the front of the ship.
Though I have been learning with the other camera angle for a year. So far I've lost more dropships in two days than I have in two months! Swarms are very hard to see with out my FOV. It would be great if you could make an option to have either of the angles.
Besides this I am loving 1.4! keep up the great work and thank you for listening to our feed back!

Anyone that thinks the ADS aren't slower and less agile now obviously hasn't spent many hours flying them, the change has completely messed with the instincts and muscle memory i've built up with the ADS, i've gone from getting 15-30 kills a match in my incubus to getting 2...

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.

Only make camera changes on Standard/Logistics Dropships, the new camera view for Assault Dropships is needed.

Only make camera changes on Standard/Logistics Dropships, the new camera view for Assault Dropships is needed.

I can't see what direction to turn my gunners or what they should be looking at which is terrible for synergy. If I can't line up shots for my gunners then they are both bored and useless.

*And before someone comes in here with the "realism" argument about god knows what remember that even automobiles have side and back mirrors, and in some cases even cameras. 1.3 third person is a representation of the awareness any vehicle like this would have, without needing to have multiple screens displaying mirrors or cameras to a first person flight simulator.

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.

Why did they nerf vehicle passengers abilities to look around??

I'm a scout shotgunner who is specced into blaster pythons on the side. 22m SP. All wasted atm, shotguns don't work. Scouts get aimbotted. Dropships are useless the way they stand and now i'm hearing blaster turrets are in the same state as shotguns.

Signed, put me on that list.

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.

Have all my lamb.

Don't worry, I have some chicken to eat instead.

We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys.