DUST Search - [Petition] Return the 1.3 dropship camera angle

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

CeeJ Mantis wrote:

Nguruthos IX wrote:

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

Also air to air combat is now just silly. Can hardly see anything at all....

We just had a TWENTY MINUTE match with 5-6 assault dropships all fighting eachother.

Nobody could stay on or hit any of the other pilots. All good pilots...
Camera is BORKED

I was in that match, and I couldn't score a kill on you or your teammates for the life of me. I will also attach my name to this cause.

Yeah was chaos for sure. When in massive air battles you need a large field of view. A couple times I almost crashed into you or one of your team mates simply because I couldn't see. I'm not a novice pilot, though I sure felt like one trying to hit your dropships.
Flying with condor squadron was really amazing, having so many pilots working together gave us quite the edge in battle. If we tried that now, Nguruthors IX and I both agree that it just wouldn't work. We would just end up crashing into each other by mistake. I got broadsided pretty hard by a MLT gallente ship before I could even react.


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Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1346	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:38:00 - [1] - Quote For the love of God CCP, please. Do this. It needs to at least be an option, This new camera is far too limiting and the angles of blocking my entire screen with my ships butthole is blinding and ridiculous I'd prefer to be able to maneuver better and not be broadsided by vipers or hit in the back by towers as I'm flying around. Thanks
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1352	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:20:00 - [2] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Isjgc0oX0s
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1353	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:49:00 - [3] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: +1, Signed. CCP, put this back the way it was ASAP. Do NOT wait until 1.5. Where's our CPM on this fail?
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1359	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:25:00 - [4] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Also air to air combat is now just silly. Can hardly see anything at all.... We just had a TWENTY MINUTE match with 5-6 assault dropships all fighting eachother. Nobody could stay on or hit any of the other pilots. All good pilots... Camera is BORKED
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1363	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:36:00 - [5] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Also air to air combat is now just silly. Can hardly see anything at all.... We just had a TWENTY MINUTE match with 5-6 assault dropships all fighting eachother. Nobody could stay on or hit any of the other pilots. All good pilots... Camera is BORKED I was in that match, and I couldn't score a kill on you or your teammates for the life of me. I will also attach my name to this cause. yeah, normally it's tough but not being able to see around or behind (And in some cases in FRONT of you) you is like. Well honestly I can't express how I feel about it without swearing so. It's bad.
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1363	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:39:00 - [6] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: CeeJ Mantis wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Also air to air combat is now just silly. Can hardly see anything at all.... We just had a TWENTY MINUTE match with 5-6 assault dropships all fighting eachother. Nobody could stay on or hit any of the other pilots. All good pilots... Camera is BORKED I was in that match, and I couldn't score a kill on you or your teammates for the life of me. I will also attach my name to this cause. Yeah was chaos for sure. When in massive air battles you need a large field of view. A couple times I almost crashed into you or one of your team mates simply because I couldn't see. I'm not a novice pilot, though I sure felt like one trying to hit your dropships. Flying with condor squadron was really amazing, having so many pilots working together gave us quite the edge in battle. If we tried that now, Nguruthors IX and I both agree that it just wouldn't work. We would just end up crashing into each other by mistake. I got broadsided pretty hard by a MLT gallente ship before I could even react. This camera spells the death of multiple dropships on same team. It's a liability that no amount of skill can reliably avoid. Just so many things wrong with this camera. I really hope we don't have to wait till 1.5 just to be able to fly again. And if it's still like this in 1.5 I'm not sure I'll be around
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1412	Posted - 2013.09.04 19:39:00 - [7] - Quote forteXVI wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Also air to air combat is now just silly. Can hardly see anything at all.... We just had a TWENTY MINUTE match with 5-6 assault dropships all fighting eachother. Nobody could stay on or hit any of the other pilots. All good pilots... Camera is BORKED I still manage to Kill my opposing dropship even with the angle, i fly smoother with it for some reason but maybe a tad less zoom so we aren't looking up the bum of our dropships PS:I Like the camera angle just not the up the bum view Might be because they Might have nerfed the speed of assault dropships LOL
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1423	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:57:00 - [8] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys. Thank you Wolfman I appreciate the response. I would like to thank you again for trying this out, I do see the advantages of having the camera at the front of the ship. Though I have been learning with the other camera angle for a year. So far I've lost more dropships in two days than I have in two months! Swarms are very hard to see with out my FOV. It would be great if you could make an option to have either of the angles. Besides this I am loving 1.4! keep up the great work and thank you for listening to our feed back! I can't even see when a forge flies past me (back or side) and misses, to give me that warning "Hey you dodged a bullet, better gtfo now". The new camera might be good for very situation, long distance, high speed, fighter style shooting. But beyond that it's worse for everything else I need to be able to do in the DS and it's not that I can't get used to it. It's that this removes my ability to access critical information about the environment as well as aiming other types of shots. A toggle view would probably be best, since they went through the effort to try a new cam. But overall, yes. I'm liking 1.4
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1423	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:00:00 - [9] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Anyone that thinks the ADS aren't slower and less agile now obviously hasn't spent many hours flying them, the change has completely messed with the instincts and muscle memory i've built up with the ADS, i've gone from getting 15-30 kills a match in my incubus to getting 2... Other part of the problem is rendering seems to have been reduced. Like things don't render as far away (enemies, installations). Another thing I noticed is it's trickier to aim at something when you can't always see it's chevron but this might be part of the new squad vision change. Am I supposed to see a chevron for a target I'm directly facing my gun at from 50+ meters? Or do I have to be closer, or does a teammate have to have them spotted? I'll have to do some testing on this to figure out if it's a bug or new mechanic
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1423	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:46:00 - [10] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys. Only make camera changes on Standard/Logistics Dropships, the new camera view for Assault Dropships is needed. Because the assault drop-ship has no need to land, or see behind or around it ever too right? Oh wait, the other thing. Hence why most people here are suggestion to add it to the R3 cycle or something that keeps all options for different situations. In general I'd prefer my ADS not be locked into new camera. It's worse for pretty much Anything that isnt, as I said, shooting at a certain speed, distance and angle at certain times.

Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1423	Posted - 2013.09.05 14:48:00 - [11] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys. Only make camera changes on Standard/Logistics Dropships, the new camera view for Assault Dropships is needed. I can't see what direction to turn my gunners or what they should be looking at which is terrible for synergy. If I can't line up shots for my gunners then they are both bored and useless. *And before someone comes in here with the "realism" argument about god knows what remember that even automobiles have side and back mirrors, and in some cases even cameras. 1.3 third person is a representation of the awareness any vehicle like this would have, without needing to have multiple screens displaying mirrors or cameras to a first person flight simulator.
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1436	Posted - 2013.09.06 02:45:00 - [12] - Quote Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and put my vote in for "Keep both 1.3, and 1.4 cameras as Options". 1.4 is more like what first person should have been. 1.3 is the third person we need. tanks have a useful third and first person : /
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1463	Posted - 2013.09.06 19:23:00 - [13] - Quote Why did they nerf vehicle passengers abilities to look around??
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1500	Posted - 2013.09.07 23:45:00 - [14] - Quote Make sure all you vehicle enthusiasts speak up in this CCP survey: Tell them the top priority is new Vehicles and new Modules. http://www.questionpro.com/a/TakeSurvey?id=3603308&rd=159956782
Nguruthos IX Vagina Bombers 1541	Posted - 2013.09.08 22:21:00 - [15] - Quote 1.4 cam can be useful for certain things. 1.3 is much better for others. Keep both as an option.
Nguruthos IX Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1602	Posted - 2013.09.10 05:33:00 - [16] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We'll look in to getting this sorted out guys. Have all my lamb. Don't worry, I have some chicken to eat instead. Don't give him ALL your lamb. That's your last bargaining chip!