Hi All-

• Find you your preferred selection of game mode
• Reduce the network latency between you and the server
• Reduce the waiting time it takes to find a battle
• Reduce the number of partially filled battles
• Reduce how often you join a battle already in progress

Why don't I get the game mode I selected?
You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes.

If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh

Basic vs basic for example

Just my 2 pennies

I have not played it yet but I can tell you for certain that I have players that do not like to play ambush. If you match making is putting them into such maps, they are going to be very unhappy. They need to be filters, not votes.

I have not played it yet but I can tell you for certain that I have players that do not like to play ambush. If you match making is putting them into such maps, they are going to be very unhappy. They need to be filters, not votes.

Any attempt to put me into Domination will equal me quitting match immediately, just an FYI. Broken game mode is broken. Not letting us select that we never want to get forced into it is bad.

Also: This is one of those things that should have been clear IN THE PATCH NOTES, CCP.

In this case there should be a couple more toggles.

Prefer faster queue OR prefer 'fairer queue'. One would sacrifice the priority of your selections to get you in a match ASAP, it may not be very fair for you, however. Fairer, would give your vote for match type a higher priority, but you may wait significantly longer to play.

The main point is, though, gentlemen is that you can't please everyone all the time. Fast AND fair is difficult to do for all folks.

Exactly, is this the real life?

I appreciate the new matchmaking, but I thought we were still going to get to, y'know, choose what we want to effing play.

Why is this still a thing? What does it look at all of your 30 possible fits to see what you'd fight with? Or your most popular fit? Or what your skills would allow? Are you then forced to only use basic? And then basic/STD suits or weapons too? What if you are a vehicle user, but you have basic suits and ADV vehicles? Can you only take ADV vehicles in?

Its not hard

Nothing over meta level 3, anything on your fit over meta level 3 is invalid in the match for basic vs basic

I said for example, so basics vs basic, adv vs adv, proto bs proto and basic/adv/proto is by meta level

How is it so hard to understand?

Queuing for the gamemodes I like and being randomly thrown in the gamemode I despise is terrible.

Do you guys even test these things before you give it to us?

Again, I reiterate the point I've been trying to get across for months now: CCP, you have to take this game offline in order to fully fix it. DUST514 has far too many problems with its core to be able to make progress towards the game we all want and expected with live updates. Live updates work perfectly to make a great game better, but take a below average game and dig its hole deeper. No matter how painful it would be in the short-term, taking DUST offline in order to fix it is the best long-term strategy.

Why don't I get the game mode I selected?
... We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes.

so what your saying is theres no more reason to skill into proto anything since you can just use basic forever.


what your proposing is not only technically difficult to obtain but terrible for the health of teh game as it pretty much negates the need to skill into anything, this has been discussed to death and has been agreed apon by nearly every single person to be a bad bad bad bad idea

If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh

Basic vs basic for example

Just my 2 pennies

Hard to test a big system like that unless they spend many engineer hours creating some sort of simulator. We'll just have to endure a few days of them tweaking the parameters while they dial it in. I'd rather provide live testing and tuning than waste engineering time that could be spent creating game content.

This wouldn't work - I have fittings ranging from militia to proto - and use them all depending on what I want. By your method, I would always be in matches against proto even when I wanted to run militia for a while.

Well said sir. Although, most gamers stand points, especially one's that knows nothing nor cares about coding, they just want it to work first time around. I understand their POV but I also understand the coders POV as well.

You sir, have said all of this in one simple paragraph. KUDOS!!

I don't always test, but when I do, I do it in production.

This wouldn't work - I have fittings ranging from militia to proto - and use them all depending on what I want. By your method, I would always be in matches against proto even when I wanted to run militia for a while.

Any attempt to put me into Domination will equal me quitting match immediately, just an FYI. Broken game mode is broken. Not letting us select that we never want to get forced into it is bad.

Also: This is one of those things that should have been clear IN THE PATCH NOTES, CCP.

No you wouldnt because you could join basic vs basic skirm matches

Why is this so hard to understand?

Why don't I get the game mode I selected?
You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes.

Again, I reiterate the point I've been trying to get across for months now: CCP, you have to take this game offline in order to fully fix it. DUST514 has far too many problems with its core to be able to make progress towards the game we all want and expected with live updates. Live updates work perfectly to make a great game better, but take a below average game and dig its hole deeper. No matter how painful it would be in the short-term, taking DUST offline in order to fix it is the best long-term strategy.

Who the hell came up with this? Your battle choice is now a vote. WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU CCP? My god I don't know anyone on earth this stupid. Here I was thinking oh it's just another glitch...then check the forums and see this? JESUS. I am just awe-shocked that anyone can be that ret@rded, I'm just going to play some other games, I'm tired of this. At least in other games I get to CHOOSE A ******* GAMEMODE

Matchmaking - Busted I just got dumped 1 (me vs 8potobears) in domination, which is the one game mode I truly fking hate with a passion, the rare times I play it is cos my mates want to

Aim assist does not work for me at all but i got murdered from across the map as it seems others have got it to work and are running loads of damage mods to take advantage end result 4 hits from a GEK and I die whe nmy best suit has over 600 hp, I am 3ksp from proto sheilds but whats the fking point?#

Grunting when hit, my character is female so a male grunt of pain when hit is dumb plus it is annoying as hell TAKE IT OUT

Yes the new map is nice and in general the game looks better, but by gods it is no fun at all to play now, will try again at weekend to see if its anybetter but I cannot even slect a game mode

If you expect me toplay this crap you are wrong, I WANT A REFUND FOR MY ACTIVE SP BOOSTERS AS I WONT BE PLAYING

New UI on loading. DOnt like it, dont need it,its a waste of code.

There is one thing you have acheived however DEVS

YOU HAVE REMOVED WHAT LITTLE FAITH I HAVE LEFT IN YOU,ITS GONE!

Will the last person playing dust please turn of the servers? This game is done and dead,CCP, nice job you have killed your own product

I have not played it yet but I can tell you for certain that I have players that do not like to play ambush. If you match making is putting them into such maps, they are going to be very unhappy. They need to be filters, not votes.

Listen, I like the changes.
I never cared to choose which game mode I wanted as long as I got to play.
I always enjoy matches with less than 16 people total. 16v16 s too much, these 5 vs 11 are way more fun.

I think Nullarbor did a great job.

Its broken I click on it and 5-10secs later it just puts me back on the battlefinder screen

I just started getting this too.

It took 4 tries before it lasted more than 5 seconds, and it got to 12 then stopped again.

Hasn't broken 10 seconds again since.

EDIT: RIght after posting that, I made it to 30 seconds before getting dropped back to the battle finder... only this time I'm supposedly in a team? Seriously?

Wrong because you can take proto into a proto match

Plus PC is always proto vs proto

Wrong again, how is it so hard to understand?

If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh

Basic vs basic for example

Just my 2 pennies

If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh

Basic vs basic for example

Just my 2 pennies

Why don't I get the game mode I selected?
You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes.

Scotty used to be the docking manager for all stations in EVE. He has a new job in matchmaking but if he doesn't pull up his socks we might just fire him pretty soon.

Sometimes this is actually a legitimate process when dealing with big, complex systems and when able to adjust parameters on the fly. Sometimes.

You can always CANCEL as soon as soon as you see the (about-to-load) game mode if you don't wanna play it, provided it doesn't load you straight in without giving you a chance. I haven't encountered any issue with matchmaking since I noticed this.

Hi All-

Just want to write down a few notes about what we changed in 1.4 in relation to joining a battle and explain some of the questions you might have. So in 1.4 alongside a new battle finder we have rewritten the matchmaking system, that is the logic that decides what battle you join and who you are playing with. There are a number of things that we are trying to optimize in this step, for example:

• Find you your preferred selection of game mode
• Reduce the network latency between you and the server
• Match you against similarly skilled players
• Reduce the waiting time it takes to find a battle
• Reduce the number of partially filled battles
• Reduce how often you join a battle already in progress

The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes.

You should not have to take action to prevent having a bad time in a game you play for fun. This is a bad feature that needs to be reconsidered.

Please consider the fact that we are spending our free time on this game. If it requires work to enjoy, we will most likely take our time elsewhere.

If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh

Basic vs basic for example

Just my 2 pennies

If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh

Basic vs basic for example

Just my 2 pennies

You need to relog. It just wont work now. Has happened to me twice so far.

lol, no. Too many variables (ie. I use STD Caldari with a proto Flaylock). Squads vs squads is the best option, if they reduce squads to 4 members like before, for 16 vs 16.

-XOXO

Should of made it based on KDR or squad avg KDR 2.00 and up, elites. 2.00 an below, noob room

I barely played a game today. Kept trying to join, kept just "undoing" the join command. Faffing about, couple games I got into were a proto-stomp and an empty map with a few blue-berries.

I can't be arsed with this, for the first time ever the idea is in my head that I will walk away for a bit (read: months) and come back later, see if anything is worth doing. Trust me I am *not* going to do this, but thought is there. I still like this game....it's just broken right now. Really disappointing.

And this voting for game mode thing? No. Undo it.

Why don't I get the game mode I selected?
You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes.

2 things:

1) The pair of words you are looking for are: "should have".
2) How is KDR relevant for support classes like logis or scouts who're not always focused on kills. My KDR is awful but as a logi idgaf

Are you ******* serious?

1) I am not writing a fcuking book, so my grammar can be how ever I please

2) if you can not get 2 kills to your every death you should consider a different role

Why don't I get the game mode I selected?
You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes.

Do CCP know how to make an FPS?

If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh

Basic vs basic for example

Just my 2 pennies

Getting people into well matched games should be secondary to getting people into games at all.

So, any word from people who've played? Is the battle finder/matchmaking fixed yet?

The vote system is bad, and I prefer the old system of matchmaking. Bad players will rage about team imbalance and needing SP tiered shelter from everyone no matter what, but now we have to deal with long wait times and half your squad not deploying into a match.

I can't log in anymore, but I did enjoy the updates to TACnet, audio/visuals and shiny new menus. I've read the new maps are fun. Just junk the matchmaking.

So, any word from people who've played? Is the battle finder/matchmaking fixed yet?

So if you are in basic vs basic ambush and your suit has a meta level 4 (adv) item on it then the whole suit is invalid thus you cannot spawn in it when in game because of the meta level, but if you take it off and replace with a basic item 1-3 meta then you can spawn in it provided the entire fitting is basic and between 1-3 meta level

Tried the Matchmaking again today .... tossed first into an in progress game but it was at least the type of game I wanted. Next I got multiple Scotty messages, and then finally a match, ugh! not the kind I wanted. This process continued with me being put into the type match I prefer only about one in seven attempts. So I gave up public contracts and switched to FW.



Faction warfare matches went well, I am enjoying the new buildings and maps. Additionally my daughter who is fresh out of the rookie academy was able to deploy with our squad in FW but not in public contracts.

Second day was not quite so horrible as the first, however I would hate to think I am isolated to FW to consistently get the matches I want and a squad of my own choosing.

I'm not sure if you all are playing the same game. Currently matchmaking is STILL broken. Squads do not all get put into the same match, games are starting with clone reserves depleted, and we LOST content with this release.

CCP - Please revert changes. Accept that this deployment was not properly tested.

After my yesterday's post that was full of praise for the battle finder fix, I now have to start whining. I don't know what (if anything) you changed today with battle finder, but I got some very annoying crap to report.

The "searching for battle" phase now takes much longer than yesterday (on average). I had some fights where I waited longer than a minute to start the "waiting for deployment" phase. But the most annoying part is matchmaking itself. In one fight, It was 2 on one side and seven on the other (guess which side I was in), and it stayed that way for the entire match. The other fight, it was 7 of us against literally NOONE. Again, for the entire match! I mean, c'mon!

I will have a look into this, it should not be possible to be joining the incorrect game modes. Can you maybe try toggling all of your options off, close the options window, reopen the window and pick them again? See if that puts you in the right battle type.

Also when you were playing public contracts were you in a squad? If so, were you the squad leader or following a different squad leader into battle?

Whilst I have not played today, the matches I was in yesterday were all reasonably close. Much more enjoyable.

Only issue is that Scotty has an issue when first selecting a FW battle, but I just select it again and we ate deploying within 10 seconds with 12-16 on each side for most games (Australian playing in Euro server-have not tried the US, Asia or oceanic servers yet)

Overall very happy with what has been done Nullabor. Thank you.

Whilst I have not played today, the matches I was in yesterday were all reasonably close. Much more enjoyable.

Only issue is that Scotty has an issue when first selecting a FW battle, but I just select it again and we ate deploying within 10 seconds with 12-16 on each side for most games (Australian playing in Euro server-have not tried the US, Asia or oceanic servers yet)

Overall very happy with what has been done Nullabor. Thank you.

Ive had the exact opposite experience with the matchmaking. I have yet to see even in youtube a balanced 1.4 match. Every single one i have seen or been in has one side pub stomping the other. Reading the patch notes I was excited for matchmaking cause i hoped pub stomping would stop but its only worse cause now every match is a pubstomp.

Ive had the exact opposite experience with the matchmaking. I have yet to see even in youtube a balanced 1.4 match. Every single one i have seen or been in has one side pub stomping the other. Reading the patch notes I was excited for matchmaking cause i hoped pub stomping would stop but its only worse cause now every match is a pubstomp.

I just wanted to say the matchmaking we have now is fubar. Went an entire match of dom with 4 people on one team and 2 on the other and another match with 16 people on one team and 6 on the other. Still getting matches with stacked squads on one side vs teams of randoms. Can't believe I'm typing this but I prefer the way it was before 1.4.

Edit. Oh, and this "voting" thing you got going on. Horrid idea, If I want to play domination, I WANT TO PLAY DOMINATION NOT AMBUSH; and if I want to play ambush, I WANT TO PLAY AMBUSH NOT GET PUT IN SKIRMISH.

Edit 2: Honestly CCP I know it's your game and most of us are playing it for free but it might be a good thing to run these brilliant idea by your player base before you implement them. It'll save you time and hassle.

Hi All-

Just want to write down a few notes about what we changed in 1.4 in relation to joining a battle and explain some of the questions you might have. So in 1.4 alongside a new battle finder we have rewritten the matchmaking system, that is the logic that decides what battle you join and who you are playing with. There are a number of things that we are trying to optimize in this step, for example:

• Find you your preferred selection of game mode
• Reduce the network latency between you and the server
• Match you against similarly skilled players
• Reduce the waiting time it takes to find a battle
• Reduce the number of partially filled battles
• Reduce how often you join a battle already in progress

And now on with some questions:

Why don't I get the game mode I selected?
You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes.

We have heard your feedback on this and have adjusted the matching so that game mode is a hard requirement. You can still pick multiple game modes and this will get you into battle quicker.

The teams are not balanced / full
This is a known issue, we are working on a fix right now.

With some exceptions during low PCU times this should now be working much better. We will continue to work on this though, particular with balancing squads in battles.

Matchmaking is taking too long? / Why do I get some message about a guy called Scotty?
This is a big new system with a lot of parameters that need careful tweaking. We are aware of a couple of issues already and are working on fixing them in the coming days. We will also be carefully monitoring the health of the matchmaking queues including waiting times and how balanced the battles are, then adjusting settings accordingly. For now, if you get a Scotty message just click join again.

I have a developer blog in the works covering a lot of these changes in more detail which we will post once things have stabilized and we have some time to produce pretty graphs and such. If you have any questions or feedback please reply to this thread.

Thanks for your patience and I hope you enjoy the rest of Uprising 1.4.

Its not hard

Nothing over meta level 3, anything on your fit over meta level 3 is invalid in the match for basic vs basic

I said for example, so basics vs basic, adv vs adv, proto bs proto and basic/adv/proto is by meta level

How is it so hard to understand?

Matchmaking is NOT working at all.

I always get in the weak team against all-proto guys who SMASH us from the beginning. It's very unbearable to be all day losing and dying like that, losing all uplinks and being cast out from the map completely. And it's all the time, all the time!!! It never puts me in a good team, teams are NEVER balanced, it's so frustrating and finally i only want to leave those horrible battles, but i don't because it sucks even more when you're put in a match that's already lost, and I don't want that for anyone.

The "hot-fix" only fixed the switched game mode preferences, part of the issue of people getting left out of battle and uneven teams (in quantity), but the whole point of the matchmaking is still not there, it doesn't exist at all.

I have a lot more complaints, but i'll look for the right threat to put them right now.

Please fix this game.

I'd be fine with rolling over to the previous battlefinder system if it got rid of the Scotty/Team Chat bugs. The inability to get into a game and/or dropping players from a squad at nearly each deployment is a much bigger problem than the occasional proto stomp.

So I graduated the academy with 5mil sp just to get thrown up against proto pub stompers? How was the matchmaking working there?