DUST Search - Sticky:Matchmaking in Uprising 1.4

InsidiousN wrote:

Again, I reiterate the point I've been trying to get across for months now: CCP, you have to take this game offline in order to fully fix it. DUST514 has far too many problems with its core to be able to make progress towards the game we all want and expected with live updates. Live updates work perfectly to make a great game better, but take a below average game and dig its hole deeper. No matter how painful it would be in the short-term, taking DUST offline in order to fix it is the best long-term strategy.

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

Who the hell came up with this? Your battle choice is now a vote. WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU CCP? My god I don't know anyone on earth this stupid. Here I was thinking oh it's just another glitch...then check the forums and see this? JESUS. I am just awe-shocked that anyone can be that ret@rded, I'm just going to play some other games, I'm tired of this. At least in other games I get to CHOOSE A ******* GAMEMODE

Jade Hasegawa wrote:

Matchmaking - Busted I just got dumped 1 (me vs 8potobears) in domination, which is the one game mode I truly fking hate with a passion, the rare times I play it is cos my mates want to

Aim assist does not work for me at all but i got murdered from across the map as it seems others have got it to work and are running loads of damage mods to take advantage end result 4 hits from a GEK and I die whe nmy best suit has over 600 hp, I am 3ksp from proto sheilds but whats the fking point?#

Grunting when hit, my character is female so a male grunt of pain when hit is dumb plus it is annoying as hell TAKE IT OUT

Yes the new map is nice and in general the game looks better, but by gods it is no fun at all to play now, will try again at weekend to see if its anybetter but I cannot even slect a game mode

If you expect me toplay this crap you are wrong, I WANT A REFUND FOR MY ACTIVE SP BOOSTERS AS I WONT BE PLAYING

New UI on loading. DOnt like it, dont need it,its a waste of code.

There is one thing you have acheived however DEVS

YOU HAVE REMOVED WHAT LITTLE FAITH I HAVE LEFT IN YOU,ITS GONE!

Will the last person playing dust please turn of the servers? This game is done and dead,CCP, nice job you have killed your own product

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Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1098	Posted - 2013.09.03 16:03:00 - [31] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Orca Amsel wrote: Do you guys even test these things before you give it to us? Hard to test a big system like that unless they spend many engineer hours creating some sort of simulator. We'll just have to endure a few days of them tweaking the parameters while they dial it in. I'd rather provide live testing and tuning than waste engineering time that could be spent creating game content. Well said sir. Although, most gamers stand points, especially one's that knows nothing nor cares about coding, they just want it to work first time around. I understand their POV but I also understand the coders POV as well. You sir, have said all of this in one simple paragraph. KUDOS!! Quote: I don't always test, but when I do, I do it in production. Sometimes this is actually a legitimate process when dealing with big, complex systems and when able to adjust parameters on the fly. Sometimes.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 278	Posted - 2013.09.03 16:40:00 - [32] - Quote I too feel like some of the details of the matchmaking were held back from the Community. That is your call to make CCP but doing so only encourages the blasting forum posts we are starting to see now. Being able to "turn off" specific gamemodes is a fine feature. All for it. But you should not have eliminated the ability to select a specific gamemode if that feature was not intended to be 100% accurate. I have absolutely no interest in playing either Ambush or Domination...ever. So wasting my time waiting to get into a battle I am only going to quit out of is just ridiculous. I mean really. I assume dropping Squad mates from the battle was not something that was intended but needs to be addressed very quickly. A team has a single purpose...and that is to play together. Any system introduced to hamper that ability is a huge "FU" to organized teams and again, a waste of our time. You made some nice improvements on game play once you get into battle. But they are moot when the path to combat is so impassible. Burning the midnight oil for the next few days is highly recommended. I don't envy the task at hand.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1197	Posted - 2013.09.03 16:44:00 - [33] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh Basic vs basic for example Just my 2 pennies This wouldn't work - I have fittings ranging from militia to proto - and use them all depending on what I want. By your method, I would always be in matches against proto even when I wanted to run militia for a while. No you wouldnt because you could join basic vs basic skirm matches Why is this so hard to understand?
pyramidhead 420 89th Infantry Division 1	Posted - 2013.09.03 16:46:00 - [34] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: Why don't I get the game mode I selected? You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes. Any attempt to put me into Domination will equal me quitting match immediately, just an FYI. Broken game mode is broken. Not letting us select that we never want to get forced into it is bad. Also: This is one of those things that should have been clear IN THE PATCH NOTES, CCP. this, if i select ambush and end up in skirmish, ill QUIT IMMEDIATELY. if i pick AMBUSH, i wanna play AMBUSH.im not sacrificing my enjoyment to enhance someone elses.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 312	Posted - 2013.09.03 16:57:00 - [35] - Quote Who the hell came up with this? Your battle choice is now a vote. WHAT THE ** IS WRONG WITH YOU CCP? My god I don't know anyone on earth this stupid. Here I was thinking oh it's just another glitch...then check the forums and see this? JESUS. I am just awe-shocked that anyone can be that ret@rded, I'm just going to play some other games, I'm tired of this. At least in other games I get to CHOOSE A ***** GAMEMODE
Raiff Basdek The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 19	Posted - 2013.09.03 16:58:00 - [36] - Quote One thing that I'm definately curious about: The people who don't like Ambush (myself included) all seem to be complaining that when queueing for skirmish/domination, they're getting put into ambush a lot. Those who prefer ambush and queue for it, seem to be complaining that they're getting put into domination a lot. Seems the MM settings have been put in backwards
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 593	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:03:00 - [37] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh Basic vs basic for example Just my 2 pennies This wouldn't work - I have fittings ranging from militia to proto - and use them all depending on what I want. By your method, I would always be in matches against proto even when I wanted to run militia for a while. No you wouldnt because you could join basic vs basic skirm matches Why is this so hard to understand? thats what we are asking YOU you cant do a game based off gear, it hasnt worked in any game, ever. you will get twinks, people who max the lowest possable gear to stomp others. your solution just makes sure that mobody can gear up to beat them, and it doesnt solve the problem it seeks to solve (aka gear disparity causing one sided teams) it doesnt matter what gear used, an organised squad will stomp an unorganised one. you solution is a huge headache that doesnt actually solve any problems while at the same time causing a whole bunch more that are fixed by simply not having the system in place int he first place. if you create a system where people will only have to have basic level gear and face basic level gear, then they simply wont skill into/use higher gear. only a very small percentage of people even participate in PC
Jade Hasegawa Intrepidus XI EoN. 65	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:05:00 - [38] - Quote I will come back and try again at the weekend (that joke of an SP bonus is not worth the hassle) Matchmaking - Busted I just got dumped 1 (me vs 8potobears) in domination, which is the one game mode I truly fking hate with a passion, the reare times I play it is cos my mates want to Aim assist does not work for me at all but i got murdered from across the map as it seems others have got it to work and are running loads of damage mods to take advantage end result 4 hits from a GEK and I die whe nmy best suit has over 600 hp, I am 3ksp from proto sheilds but whats the fking point?# Grunting when hit, my character is female so a male grunt of pain when hit is dumb plus it is annoying as hell TAKE IT OUT Yes the new map is nice and in general the game looks better, but by gods it is no fun at all to play now, will try again at weekend to see if its anybetter but I cannot even slect a game mode If you expect me toplay this crap you are wrong, I WANT A REFUND FOR MY ACTIVE SP BOOSTERS AS I WONT BE PLAYING New UI on loading. DOnt like it, dont need it,its a waste of code. There is one thing you have acheived however DEVS YOU HAVE REMOVED WHAT LITTLE FAITH I HAVE LEFT IN YOU,ITS GONE! Will the last person playing dust please turn of the servers? This game is done and dead,CCP, nice job you have killed your own product
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 594	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:08:00 - [39] - Quote I support the idea of being able to queue multiple game modes in public contracts. However, you should not join a game that you did not queue for. If I select: 'Ambush' 'Domination' 'Skirmish' --- then I should get into a match the quickest and have a variety in my playing. If I select: 'two out of the three' --- then I should have a faster time getting into a match than if I only chose one. If I select: 'one out of the three' --- then I should have the theoretical longest wait time and only get the game mode that I selected. (it's been awhile but I think MAG seemed to have this figured out pretty well)
Scalesdini The Surrogates Of War 130	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:09:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Why don't I get the game mode I selected? You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes. Here's a protip: We should be getting our selected game modes 100% of the time like we were before. I haven't had a chance to test this non-improvement yet, but if I get stuck in an ambush or domination more than one time in a day, I'm probably going to stop playing for another eight months unless that's fixed immediately. This is roughly the equivalent of telling your players "We see you want to play [game mode you enjoy], but that's too bad. You're playing [game mode you hate] because some unknown percentage of players we decided to stick you against enjoy that game mode. If you don't like it, go fist yourself vigorously with little to no lubrication! Enjoy 1.4, guys!" This is just going to result in squads of people leaving matches immediately. Know how you were trying to balance matchmaking? How in the hell is matchmaking going to be balanced when teams are selected with 4-6 guys factored in on one side who are going to leave battle immediately because they didn't want to play the match type?

Atom Heart Mother We Who Walk Alone 41	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:27:00 - [41] - Quote I think that we should chose battle type. This way makes people unhappy and they quit (not me but....wtf)
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:31:00 - [42] - Quote FFS Let me chose between Ambush OMS and Ambush. I FCKing hate AMBUSH OMS. I DO NOT want to play it. I also hate Domination. It is always one-sided. always. Now it is even worse, because there's at least a 6 person difference between 1 side and the other. InsidiousN wrote: Again, I reiterate the point I've been trying to get across for months now: CCP, you have to take this game offline in order to fully fix it. DUST514 has far too many problems with its core to be able to make progress towards the game we all want and expected with live updates. Live updates work perfectly to make a great game better, but take a below average game and dig its hole deeper. No matter how painful it would be in the short-term, taking DUST offline in order to fix it is the best long-term strategy. THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Who the hell came up with this? Your battle choice is now a vote. WHAT THE ** IS WRONG WITH YOU CCP? My god I don't know anyone on earth this stupid. Here I was thinking oh it's just another glitch...then check the forums and see this? JESUS. I am just awe-shocked that anyone can be that ret@rded, I'm just going to play some other games, I'm tired of this. At least in other games I get to CHOOSE A *** GAMEMODE Jade Hasegawa wrote: Matchmaking - Busted I just got dumped 1 (me vs 8potobears) in domination, which is the one game mode I truly fking hate with a passion, the rare times I play it is cos my mates want to Aim assist does not work for me at all but i got murdered from across the map as it seems others have got it to work and are running loads of damage mods to take advantage end result 4 hits from a GEK and I die whe nmy best suit has over 600 hp, I am 3ksp from proto sheilds but whats the fking point?# Grunting when hit, my character is female so a male grunt of pain when hit is dumb plus it is annoying as hell TAKE IT OUT Yes the new map is nice and in general the game looks better, but by gods it is no fun at all to play now, will try again at weekend to see if its anybetter but I cannot even slect a game mode If you expect me toplay this crap you are wrong, I WANT A REFUND FOR MY ACTIVE SP BOOSTERS AS I WONT BE PLAYING New UI on loading. DOnt like it, dont need it,its a waste of code. There is one thing you have acheived however DEVS YOU HAVE REMOVED WHAT LITTLE FAITH I HAVE LEFT IN YOU,ITS GONE!** Will the last person playing dust please turn of the servers? This game is done and dead,CCP, nice job you have killed your own product
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:34:00 - [43] - Quote I'm not playing in any "public contracts" or "faction contracts" until this ******** matchmaking is fixed.
V1RONXSS ARMY 0F 2 5	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:37:00 - [44] - Quote Well so far im about 30min online and still dont played any skirmish, its putting me inbambushesbetc or just to the game that is ready about finish, off to play tetris)) o7
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES 57	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:38:00 - [45] - Quote Brush Master wrote: I have not played it yet but I can tell you for certain that I have players that do not like to play ambush. If you match making is putting them into such maps, they are going to be very unhappy. They need to be filters, not votes. I agree, I feel the same way about skirmish.
Sam Booty Rebel Raiders Inc. 1	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:39:00 - [46] - Quote I was really enjoying Dust 514 until this "upgrade". I don't care so much about the graphics, there are frame rate issues but that is OK as long as the experience is fun. Now with 1.4 you are putting a nail in the Dust 514 coffin. This matchmaking is unacceptable, it takes too long and I don't want to play only against pros! How does it make these decisions if you are in a squad with different level? I waited 20 minutes for a match and it came up with domination when I wanted to play ambush. The match completely sucked only 7 players and was complete waste of my time. I don't understand if they were pros or if my suit sucked balls compared to patch 1.3 but I was spawning like never before. Sniped at spawn over and over. I see you like HALO so much that you copied everything that was bad in HALO. Heavily armored vehicles where there is no point in attacking, being snipped like crazy at spawn (this was new to me in 1.4, I really enjoy your matchmaking algorithm! ) . I don't care about the new UI. I want to choose game mode like before. The number of players is decreasing severely and you are responsible for this. Hope someone gets fired for this bullshit.
Tal-Rakken Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 70	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:42:00 - [47] - Quote just rage quited for today my day off was hoping to get some serious grinding in the new match making kept putting our FULL team(2-3 squads) against 1-2 players or putting our 4-6 man squad against a full team of duvolle/mass driver spammers.... EVERYTHING else about 1.4 i love but if you cant have a good even match(or even at least even numbers) there is no fun redlining is boring as **** and being against a full team by yourself is what causes people to afk who wouldnt normally.i know your working on this but might want to get everyone on board this one issue as frankly this will kill your game which has huge issues already.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3523	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:49:00 - [48] - Quote When searching specifically for Skirmish only, I've been thrown into Ambush EVERY SINGLE TIME. When searching specifically for Ambush only, I've been thrown into Skirmish EVERY SINGLE TIME. The above are both consistent and reproducible on my PS3.
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 482	Posted - 2013.09.03 17:54:00 - [49] - Quote It's worth noting, that I have more likes than CCP Nullarbor does in this thread. Like... a lot more. Anyone need more evidence that CCP really screwed this up?
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven 351	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:02:00 - [50] - Quote Worst changes to matchmaking ever. I'm sorry Nullarbor but you completely broke the game. People are put in game modes they don't want to be in and end up leaving. I'm joining games that are half completed more so than before. I'm still pitted against people with MLT gear so there's no real change in skill level matching. All this matchmaking served to do was **** people off and break the game.

Phantasmal Priestess Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:12:00 - [51] - Quote Listen, I like the changes. I never cared to choose which game mode I wanted as long as I got to play. I always enjoy matches with less than 16 people total. 16v16 s too much, these 5 vs 11 are way more fun. I think Nullarbor did a great job.
Griff Blackshadow J-K Supply co. 0	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:21:00 - [52] - Quote Going along with the whole "uneven matches" thing, I played a skirmish match that was 2 against 9. Being stuck in my base and not being able to anything about it really is displeasing. I really hope they resolve this soon, i don't care about being matched with people who are the same skill as me, Im just worried about having even teams so the fight is fair. If they want to keep the players happy, I suggest they resolve this issue soon.
Sam Booty Rebel Raiders Inc. 3	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:23:00 - [53] - Quote Phantasmal Priestess wrote: Listen, I like the changes. I never cared to choose which game mode I wanted as long as I got to play. I always enjoy matches with less than 16 people total. 16v16 s too much, these 5 vs 11 are way more fun. I think Nullarbor did a great job. Sure. Even more fun is waiting for a match. If you are in a squad you have time to type all you want before the match. Don't matter you get kicked after 5 minutes of waiting. Forget the match. What is really fun is the chat system. Wait, but there is more you can even send emails and invites. And if you are bored you can always check the DUST/Eve universe, a three dimensional multi-connected graph.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:27:00 - [54] - Quote FIX THIS UNBALANCING!!!
STABBEY Black Phoenix Mercenaries 372	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:27:00 - [55] - Quote Its broken I click on it and 5-10secs later it just puts me back on the battlefinder screen
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3525	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:29:00 - [56] - Quote STABBEY wrote: Its broken I click on it and 5-10secs later it just puts me back on the battlefinder screen I just started getting this too. It took 4 tries before it lasted more than 5 seconds, and it got to 12 then stopped again. Hasn't broken 10 seconds again since. EDIT: RIght after posting that, I made it to 30 seconds before getting dropped back to the battle finder... only this time I'm supposedly in a team? Seriously?
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 139	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:30:00 - [57] - Quote How about you put me into the game mode I selected? It's not just "preferred", it's what I want. It's like I order a cheeseburger and get Chinese food instead.
Raiff Basdek The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 22	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:32:00 - [58] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: STABBEY wrote: Its broken I click on it and 5-10secs later it just puts me back on the battlefinder screen I just started getting this too. It took 4 tries before it lasted more than 5 seconds, and it got to 12 then stopped again. Hasn't broken 10 seconds again since. EDIT: RIght after posting that, I made it to 30 seconds before getting dropped back to the battle finder... only this time I'm supposedly in a team? Seriously? You need to relog. It just wont work now. Has happened to me twice so far.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 3525	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:52:00 - [59] - Quote Yeah, I switched games because I've had it happen 3 times, and relogging didn't work the first 2, had to quit and restart the client.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 86	Posted - 2013.09.03 18:57:00 - [60] - Quote Changes are stupid as hell. CCP you only achieve that players will quit game modes which they dont want to play. Which leads to matches that are like 6vs13 etc. This is not what we want and i refuse to play this game until i have again full controll over the game modes which i would like to play. I could live with it if you made 2 playlists like -Ambush playlist -Objective playlist Anything else is not acceptable. 1.4 sounded promising but now that i see the results im dissapointed.



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