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Thumb Green Novashift 374	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:37:00 - [91] - Quote I just wanted to say the matchmaking we have now is fubar. Went an entire match of dom with 4 people on one team and 2 on the other and another match with 16 people on one team and 6 on the other. Still getting matches with stacked squads on one side vs teams of randoms. Can't believe I'm typing this but I prefer the way it was before 1.4.
howard sanchez DUST University Ivy League 693	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:43:00 - [92] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: I barely played a game today. Kept trying to join, kept just "undoing" the join command. Faffing about, couple games I got into were a proto-stomp and an empty map with a few blue-berries. I can't be arsed with this, for the first time ever the idea is in my head that I will walk away for a bit (read: months) and come back later, see if anything is worth doing. Trust me I am not going to do this, but thought is there. I still like this game....it's just broken right now. Really disappointing. And this voting for game mode thing? No. Undo it. Wanna know what that feeling is like, Duncan? It's like when, after waiting ages for a solid hit of high-end quality smack, it turns out they've got the weakest, grungiest dribbling crap you've ever laid eyes on. So pissed! Gonna quit doing this stuff Right Now! Now...not again..evah.....just this one more time Dust514. You don't hafta like it. Just do it
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1285	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:50:00 - [93] - Quote I still can't see the effort put into an "AI" for matchmaking being worth it. Just let people "graduate" out of a training mode when they have enough isk to buy their mercenary license. If you ever get enough people into the game add a high tier that is much harder to get a license for. Dead simple. Hard to screw up. Leaves time for creating new maps and other fun things.
Wombat in combat TeamPlayers EoN. 80	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:53:00 - [94] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Why don't I get the game mode I selected? You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. This is very bad. Maybe you want to do a quick 7-15 minute ambush match before you do something else. Instead it can potentially queue you up for a 30 min Skirmish match. We no longer have the control we used to have.
Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 676	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:54:00 - [95] - Quote 1. It seems clear that most people are not into the whole "vote" system. Myself included. 2. Can we get details on how you "Match [us] against similarly skilled players"? I'm honestly curious how you are going about this as it is a very complicated task.
Reaper Skordeman The Reaper Crew PMC 104	Posted - 2013.09.03 22:58:00 - [96] - Quote What is the point of giving me a filter that doesn't even work. 1. We want a working Match-Making System. 2. We want to play what we select, No Voting, No Randomization. I would rather wait for my game mode than play one I hate. 3. Please separate Ambush and Ambush OMS. I loved OMS but there's a chance I'll end up in Ambush which I hate.
Vectar Locke Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 225	Posted - 2013.09.03 23:39:00 - [97] - Quote This is down right comical. Did you think that game mode was a vague 'preference' and not an absolute? I'm laughing so hard right now my ribs hurt. Was this one person going off rogue and implementing this? Or did you all sit around a table and collectively decide "this is not a horrible decision, at all."
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 317	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:07:00 - [98] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: Should of made it based on KDR or squad avg KDR 2.00 and up, elites. 2.00 an below, noob room 2 things: 1) The pair of words you are looking for are: "should have". 2) How is KDR relevant for support classes like logis or scouts who're not always focused on kills. My KDR is awful but as a logi idgaf 1) I am not writing a fcuking book, so my grammar can be how ever I please 2) if you can not get 2 kills to your every death you should consider a different role
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1287	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:34:00 - [99] - Quote Cancelling when you get a game mode you don't like seems like it is hanging... though perhaps it is just taking forever.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1287	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:50:00 - [100] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes. Are you ******* serious? I'm going to go out on a limb and call CCP innovative. However, as we often see, being innovative also means getting things wrong a lot. CCP, if you want to let people pick a random game style then put in a random selection -- don't just randomly decide some people will have to play a game they don't want to play. Somebody in your organization needs to step back from the theoretical best way to do sh*t and do things in a way that is simple, effective, and does what people want. So called high-tech is not always the answer... Scotty the AI indeed.

Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 613	Posted - 2013.09.04 00:58:00 - [101] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: Vin Vicious wrote: Should of made it based on KDR or squad avg KDR 2.00 and up, elites. 2.00 an below, noob room 2 things: 1) The pair of words you are looking for are: "should have". 2) How is KDR relevant for support classes like logis or scouts who're not always focused on kills. My KDR is awful but as a logi idgaf 1) I am not writing a fcuking book, so my grammar can be how ever I please 2) if you can not get 2 kills to your every death you should consider a different role > thinks communication skills are only for books lol > thinks that support classes should have a kdr above 2.0, and should consider other roles if they do not like what: assault, heavy or tank? Go back to school and learn some more logic. And some 3rd grade English.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 2340	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:21:00 - [102] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=106848&find=unread So our matchmaking went a bit rogue today and did basically none of the things I said it would. We have taken Scotty out the back for a good talking too and he's ready to start the day fresh and get the job done as of downtime Wednesday. As a quick FYI because I've seen a few comments like "why don't you test this beforehand?". Obviously matchmaking is pretty tricky to test without the huge numbers of players, so we have a system of robots that simulate thousand of players connecting and joining battles. Unfortunately it looks like there was something wrong with our test simulation because it did not perform the same today on TQ as it did during testing. The good news is we now have a heap of detailed logs to try to replicate what we saw today to help us run more accurate tests in the future. Thanks for all the helpful comments and feedback today.

Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 613	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:23:00 - [103] - Quote Godspeed Nullarbor. Fix this and then players can focus on all the good that 1.4 had brought.
HEAD- HUNTER-GEO SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 12	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:32:00 - [104] - Quote Yes i will admit i love what 1.4 did guns work good now ,Hit detection is great and i love the active scaner now ,all so the new maps r greatttttttttttttttttttttt thanks ccp once matchmaking is fixed we will be happy gamers!!
Thorn Badblood Dust2Dust. Top Men. 17	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:51:00 - [105] - Quote Can we add a match making system to EVE too? I thought this was New Eden, a harsh universe.
postmanclark2 Black Phoenix Mercenaries 20	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:38:00 - [106] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: Why don't I get the game mode I selected? You can now choose multiple game modes however this will not always gaurentee you get one of those modes. The selection is used in 2 ways, we first build groups of players who have similar preferences of game mode, region and ranking. The second step is to use everyone's preferences to perform a vote on which mode to play. We will be tuning how effectively this works over the coming days so you should see some improvement in how often you get your selected modes. Do CCP know how to make an FPS? What game mode, is the first fricking criterion. You should base the first part of the matchmaking, on what people want to play. If I am soloing, I do not want to play domination or skirmish, where I get frustrated with bluebelles. I'd prefer to play ambush, where it doesn't need any teamwork to play. Nothing can ruin this game, more than this matchmaking section. Go back to the old matchmaking, it was faster and you got to play what you wanted. You gives a kitten about unmatched teams anymore, with this kind of rubbish.
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 629	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:48:00 - [107] - Quote postmanclark2 wrote: Do CCP know how to make an FPS? Ah ... Nope.
TV Repair Guy Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2013.09.04 03:00:00 - [108] - Quote The vote system is bad, and I prefer the old system of matchmaking. Bad players will rage about team imbalance and needing SP tiered shelter from everyone no matter what, but now we have to deal with long wait times and half your squad not deploying into a match. I can't log in anymore, but I did enjoy the updates to TACnet, audio/visuals and shiny new menus. I've read the new maps are fun. Just junk the matchmaking.
ironman1979 R3GULATORS 1	Posted - 2013.09.04 05:25:00 - [109] - Quote [quote=Brush Master]I have not played it yet but I can tell you for certain that I have players that do not like to play ambush. If you match making is putting them into such maps, they are going to be very unhappy. They need to be filters, not votes. This game is a joke now we can't even squad up and play together are whole corp is wanting to quit because they like domination and we keeping getting every thing but that and this game is full of bugs we liked it better the way it was they have it a mess now that's all I have to say good luck dust
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1203	Posted - 2013.09.04 09:49:00 - [110] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If you did matchmaking by gear it would have been simpler tbh Basic vs basic for example Just my 2 pennies How the **** do any of you not understand this? do you have the IQ of a banana? Its simple You have each gamemode which then has 3 matchmaking options Skirmish - Basic vs basic, adv vs adv, proto vs proto for example Now because basic/adv/proto is decided by meta levels 1-3,4-6,7-9 it means the game can easily recognize what is on everyones suit So if you are in basic vs basic ambush and your suit has a meta level 4 (adv) item on it then the whole suit is invalid thus you cannot spawn in it when in game because of the meta level, but if you take it off and replace with a basic item 1-3 meta then you can spawn in it provided the entire fitting is basic and between 1-3 meta level

Dnaizohd Orlenaard Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.09.04 09:49:00 - [111] - Quote Scotty! Jesus, man! I'm sorry you guys, but I just had to do it
Sam Booty Rebel Raiders Inc. 9	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:30:00 - [112] - Quote I don't agree with this type of matchmaking by skills or something. It is better to have some good and some bad games than all bad. You should just fill games up as people arrive as before and according to their preferences. If you want to really improve this game, don't allow vehicles to be to heavily armored (yellow LAVs are a bad joke), punish people who only want to run people over (maybe introducing stronger AV grenades), improve maps and improve spawning so that you have some invincibility during 5 seconds or so (this to give you chances when the enemy is just surrounding your uplink). When I started playing I got killed easily because I had bad dropsuit and weapons so I have now bad K/D ratio. Now I was improving my K/D ratio because I have better dropsuit and weapons but since you changed the rules again I will never improve my K/D. So others have improved their skills and K/D at my expense and now I will not benefit of the same. In conclusion, if you match everyone up really nice there is no point for skills just give everyone the same suit and weapons too.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 968	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:06:00 - [113] - Quote Getting people into well matched games should be secondary to getting people into games at all.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 167	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:25:00 - [114] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Getting people into well matched games should be secondary to getting people into games at all. QFT. I only played four or five games yesterday because I was utterly disgusted by the new matchmaking system. Unless the patch today greatly shortens the wait times and eliminates bugs (esp. the team chat bug which prevents you from queueing for about 5 minutes), I can't see myself playing this game at all after I cap out this week. It's just not worth the headache. I would much rather roll back to the previous system. You got the occasional protostomp but at least it was over with quickly, and you could wait a bit so you didn't queue in with those protostompers again. Now I have to wait 5+ minutes only to get queued into a game where it's just me on my team and no one on the enemy team? No thanks, I'll go play a game that works.
dustwaffle Ill Omens 443	Posted - 2013.09.04 12:28:00 - [115] - Quote So, any word from people who've played? Is the battle finder/matchmaking fixed yet?
Sam Booty Rebel Raiders Inc. 9	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:13:00 - [116] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: So, any word from people who've played? Is the battle finder/matchmaking fixed yet? Yes. When I logged on today there was a new patch 3.09 (about 30 Mb) and everything was going well. The battle finder only took about 5 seconds to get me in a match which was good. I was really pleased again and the matches were OK since I was adapting to new maps which look good. Unfortunately after playing about 4 games, the battle finder stopped working (about 10 min ago). I even logged out and in again but nothing.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 56	Posted - 2013.09.04 13:13:00 - [117] - Quote TV Repair Guy wrote: The vote system is bad, and I prefer the old system of matchmaking. Bad players will rage about team imbalance and needing SP tiered shelter from everyone no matter what, but now we have to deal with long wait times and half your squad not deploying into a match. I can't log in anymore, but I did enjoy the updates to TACnet, audio/visuals and shiny new menus. I've read the new maps are fun. Just junk the matchmaking. New players mothertrucker .. new players .. this is the main reason for a better matchmaking system .. you may just want new players and fairly new players just out of academy to be your opponents so you can be happy about going 15-0 but keeping you happy at the expense of .. lets say 5 players per game putting their control pad down and deleting the game makes no sense .. what exactly is your issue with balanced games ??? CCP may have failed miserably at implementing it but as an idea it is desperately needed to not only attract players to this game but keep them .. you may be happy with a high KD/R on a game with 4k players but I'd rather be an average player with an average KD/R on a game with 400,000 players .. more players=less waiting times it's simple logic and if you still don;t get it then you my friend are an idiot
George Moros WarRavens League of Infamy 75	Posted - 2013.09.04 19:49:00 - [118] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: So, any word from people who've played? Is the battle finder/matchmaking fixed yet? I just played some 7-8 pub matches... The "Searching for battle" period never lasted longer than 10 seconds, and each and every time I got the match I actually selected I want (domination). Also, both teams were mostly full before the battle started, or filled up quickly after. This part is definitely fixed and works perfectly. As for matchmaking itself... it's hard to tell. Since my char is neither a complete noob nor a proto-god, I can't tell from just playing a couple of games. Subjectively, it felt like battles were more even matched than before, but don't take this as rock solid, objective assessment. Regardless, matchmaking works much, much better than yesterday.
First Prophet Unkn0wn Killers 923	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:40:00 - [119] - Quote Scotty's goin' nuts.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.09.04 20:43:00 - [120] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So if you are in basic vs basic ambush and your suit has a meta level 4 (adv) item on it then the whole suit is invalid thus you cannot spawn in it when in game because of the meta level, but if you take it off and replace with a basic item 1-3 meta then you can spawn in it provided the entire fitting is basic and between 1-3 meta level I thought Dust and New Eden were about choice? This would mean that if I have a basic suit, I can't use any of my proto weapons? That's idiotic. It would be better to add all the meta levels of the suit, modules and equipment, and base matchmaking on that. Even that could be imbalanced, if players increase all their passive skills and use militia equipment to stomp newberries with more speed, less sway, increased damage, less detection, etc.



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