They do not have the backing of all of the Intaki people. Just extremist that wish to join the Caldari state for more lax trade. As an Intaki myself, I am appalled at their traitorous behavior. Their taking of arms against an entity that poses us no harm is completely against our traditional values of peace and diplomacy. Do not trust them.

A Faction that openly affirms Intaki liberty and freedom is labelled a terrorist organisation by the Federation or agents of the Federation.... and you wish to impose conformity upon them even though such is not their will.....

How much more can you represent the worst that is the Gallentean Federation?

Freedom? Liberty?

If they wanted to found an independent state, I would understand. If they wished to join the Minmatar Republic, I would understand. But the Caldari? Freedom and Liberty are not synonymous with that... Society, if that is what you want to call it.

Freedom? Liberty?

If they wanted to found an independent state, I would understand. If they wished to join the Minmatar Republic, I would understand. But the Caldari? Freedom and Liberty are not synonymous with that... Society, if that is what you want to call it.

I find it ironic that a fellow Intaki is calling my corporation a terrorist organization when he hasn't shown a single evidence of us doing any terrorist acts. What is even more ironic is that an Amarrian is defending me, which I am thankful for, Mr. Adamance.

And where did you get the impression that we wish to join the Caldari State? Our goal is to secede from the Federation, establish an independent sovereignty over the Intaki planet and her colonies, without interference from the Federation, the State or any other empire.

And again, what has the Federation actually done to help us? They left us in lowsec at the mercy of pirates, let capsuleers wreak havoc in our lands in their stupid Empyrean War. The Ida faith encourages being thoughtful and thinking before you speak, but I am starting to run out of patience with you. Do you even speak Intaki or are you that much corrupted by the Gallente propaganda?

You claim us to be terrorists, yet you are the one who thinks the Black Eagles "do what is right to keep the Federation safe" in the cost of their very own ideals they swore to protect. You are the one who is calling ME a terrorist, yet you think that executing a person in public by literally having his insides explode is what he deserved.

You are not Intaki, you are a pawn of the Gallente, and whatever shred of identity you have left to the Intaki is twisted into the abomination that is your morals. Intaki asuprab lokrajalok suprab -- a bad Intaki makes a good Gallentean.

I find it ironic that a fellow Intaki is calling my corporation a terrorist organization when he hasn't shown a single evidence of us doing any terrorist acts. What is even more ironic is that an Amarrian is defending me, which I am thankful for, Mr. Adamance.

And where did you get the impression that we wish to join the Caldari State? Our goal is to secede from the Federation, establish an independent sovereignty over the Intaki planet and her colonies, without interference from the Federation, the State or any other empire.

And again, what has the Federation actually done to help us? They left us in lowsec at the mercy of pirates, let capsuleers wreak havoc in our lands in their stupid Empyrean War. The Ida faith encourages being thoughtful and thinking before you speak, but I am starting to run out of patience with you. Do you even speak Intaki or are you that much corrupted by the Gallente propaganda?

You ce terrorists, yet you are the one who thinks the Black Eagles "do what is right to keep the Federation safe" in the cost of their very own ideals they swore to protect. You are the one who is calling ME a terrorist, yet you think that executing a person in public by literally having his insides explode is what he deserved.

You are not Intaki, you are a pawn of the Gallente, and whatever shred of identity you have left to the Intaki is twisted into the abomination that is your morals. Intaki asuprab lokrajalok suprab -- a bad Intaki makes a good Gallentean.

I respect those who respect themselves. unlike the Ethnic Gallenteans your people show signs of spiritual awareness, this is progress. I may not agree with your religion but I respect your people and the Intaki have done me no wrong.

I am half Intaki and half Brutor(on my father's side). I grew up in an Intaki colony. I knew what it feels like to be at the constant whim of pirates. I lost parts of my memory when I became a 1st generation mercenary. I lost the ability to talk the native Intaki language, I even lost the ability to talk in the standard Federation language, I was mute. Until 8 months later, I visited a religious man from the Khanid Kindom. Long story short I regained the ability to talk, re learning Federation standard, I also became a born again member of a little known Khanid religious order, very similar to the Ancient Amarrian religion, before it was corrupted to make it appear Slavery was fine.


Just a little back story.

The Black Eagles keep the Federation free of radicals who would wish to separate it and turn it against it self. Kind of like you. The Intaki will one day be helped, but for now, many people don't want anymore public wars, as such Intaki space security will have to be re looked at. I have many theories on how it could be done. But you know how bureaucrats work, too damn slow.

We Intaki do not technically have a religion. Just a set of codes we live by and act by. Ida is a lifestyle not a religion.

I am half Intaki and half Brutor(on my father's side). I grew up in an Intaki colony. I knew what it feels like to be at the constant whim of pirates. I lost parts of my memory when I became a 1st generation mercenary. I lost the ability to talk the native Intaki language, I even lost the ability to talk in the standard Federation language, I was mute. Until 8 months later, I visited a religious man from the Khanid Kindom. Long story short I regained the ability to talk, re learning Federation standard, I also became a born again member of a little known Khanid religious order, very similar to the Ancient Amarrian religion, before it was corrupted to make it appear Slavery was fine.


Just a little back story.

The Black Eagles keep the Federation free of radicals who would wish to separate it and turn it against it self. Kind of like you. The Intaki will one day be helped, but for now, many people don't want anymore public wars, as such Intaki space security will have to be re looked at. I have many theories on how it could be done. But you know how bureaucrats work, too damn slow.

And this fixes things how? You have not explained what the ILF has done to deserve to be called a terrorist organization, you have not explained how you have any influence over the Black Eagles or the Federation at all. You did not even apologize for calling me and my corporation terrorists because of your false beliefs.

You bastardise a bastardised form of the Faith? You are crossing a line here sir.

Now you speak of the Faith, do not transgress further and claim you know the true Faith, for God chose us to bring His true words to the furthest stars of every galaxy.

Don't you talk down to me, Amarr dog!

By the way, Ida is not a religion because we have no gods, no deities, we do not pray nor commit any other spiritual acts. Nor do we believe in a heaven or hell.

Do not lie to me Denak. We know that your front is a paramilitary organization that wishes to engage Federal forces in open or shadow violent conflict. We know that you are funded either directly or indirectly by participating in Caldari contracts.

I don't have control over the Black Eagles nor the Federation. I am just a pawn. We all are. Just a matter of who we're going to take down with us.

Don't you talk down to me, Amarr dog!

By the way, Ida is not a religion because we have no gods, no deities, we do not pray nor commit any other spiritual acts. Nor do we believe in a heaven or hell.

Don't you talk down to me, Amarr dog!

By the way, Ida is not a religion because we have no gods, no deities, we do not pray nor commit any other spiritual acts. Nor do we believe in a heaven or hell.

You cannot say that gallente people dont have faith or gods,i have strong faith in my own religion and i worship my own maker/god my own way.The only difference is that I do not force my faith on anyone, like ammarians do

You cannot say that gallente people dont have faith or gods,i have strong faith in my own religion and i worship my own maker/god my own way.The only difference is that I do not force my faith on anyone, like ammarians do

Mr adamance i did not commented your wrintings,i commented deadly aztecs writings.And when i tell that not every galletean lack faith or belives,how that make me egoistic? And that comment that ammarians force faith to everyone,i dont say every one in your culture does that and every one approve of slavery,but still the vast majority of ammarians do belive in slavery and force the belives and your ways every culture that your empire has captured and enslaved.And that is know fact trough-out new eden and when the people get freed from slave status,because i have heard stories from minmatar refugees and also ammarian defectors who has escaped from ammar empire,that there is many slaves in the empire, who have embraced the faith and follow the belives like the true ammarians.And still hasn`t lose their slave status,and also there has been people who has been more ammarian than real ammarians but still has died with slave status.

And again, Aztec was not talking about your faith, nor about the general Gallentean faith. He was talking about the Intaki faith Ida, so this entire discussion is pointless really.

Mr adamance i did not commented your wrintings,i commented deadly aztecs writings.And when i tell that not every galletean lack faith or belives,how that make me egoistic? And that comment that ammarians force faith to everyone,i dont say every one in your culture does that and every one approve of slavery,but still the vast majority of ammarians do belive in slavery and force the belives and your ways every culture that your empire has captured and enslaved.And that is know fact trough-out new eden and when the people get freed from slave status,because i have heard stories from minmatar refugees and also ammarian defectors who has escaped from ammar empire,that there is many slaves in the empire, who have embraced the faith and follow the belives like the true ammarians.And still hasn`t lose their slave status,and also there has been people who has been more ammarian than real ammarians but still has died with slave status.

I am part Intaki myself. My mother was a survivor of the Waschi Uprising. To elaborate, her family was abandoned by the Federation simply for standing up for what they believe in, and found the Caldari to be their for them in their time of need.

The Caldari share a deep spiritual and cultural bond with the Intaki. We see eachother's faith as different understandings of the same truth. Truely, they have a better connection with us than they do with the Gallente. Caldari annexation of Intaki lands would make sense, but the State understands the importance of self determination. If we don't allow nations to choose their own fate, we are no better than the imperials.

Yet your view of the Empire are not necessarily shared by the predominant part of the Caldari people.

Yet your view of the Empire are not necessarily shared by the predominant part of the Caldari people.

Yep, classic Brutor stand off.

Hey, I resent that remark! Most of those don't end in stand offs!

I know, they eventually fire. My Brutor father and uncles taught me that, first hand in some instances.

You said you were Intaki....

While that is true, you misunderstand. My comment on imperialism is any empire that insists on expanding its reach by subjegating foreign lands. I was alluding to the actions of the Federation, though I have made it clear in the past that I do not approve of Amarr expansionalism. The Caldari have never looked favorably upon invaders. Spirits, even the Achurian joined the Caldari not out of an imperial mindset, but to instill protection against potental Federation occupation

The Amarr have got to be the least liked of the Empires. Both the Caldari and us the Gallante have a love triangle with the Minmatar. The Amarr are kind of out of the loop. Us Gallante tolerate them because we are afraid that if we go into full out conflict, the Caldari might take the chance to attack us at the same time. We could always get the Minmatar to attack the Amarrian, unfortunately we do not currently posses enough leverage for them to attack the Caldari.

Yep, classic Brutor stand off.

I do not deny my people are conquerors.

With that mind set it seems like you have forgotten that your Federation, being the corrupt and debased cowards you are, are simply using the Minmatar as weapons to keep us at bay. Your peoples blasphemies know no ends. You turn God's chosen children against one another, you seek so furtively to hold on to what your crumbling empire was that you oppress you people despite you assertions you are a free nation, your people suffer in unemployment and poverty, your children are addicted to drugs, your ship design is terrible, and you soldiers weak of mind and body.

I do not think that a society that enslaves people are in any position to criticize us on our domestic liberties.

Gentlemen,

It's a fact that the Intaki Liberation Front, the Intaki Prosperity Initiative, and its members have often been falsely accused of being "terrorists", "anarchists", "pirates", "Caldari pets", and so on. It's an old, overworn tactic used by Gallente loyalists who feel threatened by our movement to achieve independence for the Intaki sovereignty.

Now and then, such comments resurface from people duped into believing loyalist propaganda and hearsay. I suppose it's easier for some to make fallacious remarks instead of taking a few moments to actually investigate our corporation and alliance history for themselves.

That DeadlyAztec11 did not, and has not to date, presented any concrete evidence nor cited any sources supporting his claims, especially given information which directly contradicts his statements has been publicly available for years (see also here and here), is testament to this being little more than the usual alarmist stunt.

Having said this, two items DeadlyAztec11 brought up that are actually worth commenting on:

First. Of course we're a paramilitary organization. So is every other corporation and alliance in New Eden that has any sort of semi-organized combat division of some description, including the corporation DeadlyAztec11 belongs to. ILF and IPI have anti-pirate mandates. How else should we go about satisfying that mandate, unless he means we should just politely ask the criminals operating in the sovereignty to GTFO?

Second. As to our movement being funded "directly or indirectly by participating in Caldari contracts", it's also funded directly and indirectly by Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar contracts, too. Whether our soldiers accept public contracts or faction contracts, the organizations that put them up in either category usually have some sort of empire affiliation. Did you also know that ILF spearheads trade hubs in Intaki and Agoze which capsuleer pirates as well as militia pilots from all empires regularly buy from and trade at? That ISK also supports our movement. The New Eden market is a free market and we have no way or desire to control who our customers are. If they don't want to support us they should really spend their money elsewhere. Likewise, as far as the faction contracts go, the four empires decided of their own free will to make them available to unenlisted corporations. If they aren't going to be discerning about where their ISK goes, why should our mercs not take them up on it? The Empyrean War has proven to be a stalemate anyway.

If you have a legitimate concern with our organization, DeadlyAztec11, please do bring it to light. Otherwise, I'd like to encourage you to reflect on where and in what manner you have been obtaining your so-called facts, and to pause and consider more thoroughly the veracity of what you think you know. Perhaps a trip to the Intaki Cultural Center on the homeworld would do you some good, if you can obtain leave from your commanding officer. The center was founded by Saxon Hawke, who also founded ILF and IPI, and is dedicated to upholding and teaching the traditions and culture of our people, and is often a nexus for ILF and IPI members.

Gentlemen,

It's a fact that the Intaki Liberation Front, the Intaki Prosperity Initiative, and its members have often been falsely accused of being "terrorists", "anarchists", "pirates", "Caldari pets", and so on. It's an old, overworn tactic used by Gallente loyalists who feel threatened by our movement to achieve independence for the Intaki sovereignty.

Now and then, such comments resurface from people duped into believing loyalist propaganda and hearsay. I suppose it's easier for some to make fallacious remarks instead of taking a few moments to actually investigate our corporation and alliance history for themselves.

That DeadlyAztec11 did not, and has not to date, presented any concrete evidence nor cited any sources supporting his claims, especially given information which directly contradicts his statements has been publicly available for years (see also here and here), is testament to this being little more than the usual alarmist stunt.

Having said this, two items DeadlyAztec11 brought up that are actually worth commenting on:

First. Of course we're a paramilitary organization. So is every other corporation and alliance in New Eden that has any sort of semi-organized combat division of some description, including the corporation DeadlyAztec11 belongs to. ILF and IPI have anti-pirate mandates. How else should we go about satisfying that mandate, unless he means we should just politely ask the criminals operating in the sovereignty to GTFO?

Second. As to our movement being funded "directly or indirectly by participating in Caldari contracts", it's also funded directly and indirectly by Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar contracts, too. Whether our soldiers accept public contracts or faction contracts, the organizations that put them up in either category usually have some sort of empire affiliation. Did you also know that ILF spearheads trade hubs in Intaki and Agoze which capsuleer pirates as well as militia pilots from all empires regularly buy from and trade at? That ISK also supports our movement. The New Eden market is a free market and we have no way or desire to control who our customers are. If they don't want to support us they should really spend their money elsewhere. Likewise, as far as the faction contracts go, the four empires decided of their own free will to make them available to unenlisted corporations. If they aren't going to be discerning about where their ISK goes, why should our mercs not take them up on it? The Empyrean War has proven to be a stalemate anyway.

If you have a legitimate concern with our organization, DeadlyAztec11, please do bring it to light. Otherwise, I'd like to encourage you to reflect on where and in what manner you have been obtaining your so-called facts, and to pause and consider more thoroughly the veracity of what you think you know. Perhaps a trip to the Intaki Cultural Center on the homeworld would do you some good, if you can obtain leave from your commanding officer. The center was founded by Saxon Hawke, who also founded ILF and IPI, and is dedicated to upholding and teaching the traditions and culture of our people, and is often a nexus for ILF and IPI members.

Unfortunately for you he is beyond rational conversation of thought for that matter.

I'm all about rationality, it's what I do. How'bout you?

You know, no matter how you add/subtract/divide the numbers, they always come out as 514. Anyways enough small talk.

You are not fooling anyone with your peaceful appearance.

Indeed, we're actually all secretly Jovesters planning to conquer all of New Eden with our enhanced clone soldier capsuleer tech. We have spies infiltrated into all the empires, and soon everyone from Jacus Roden, Samyl I, CEP and the Tribal Council will be under our control!

Soon, brothers.

Soon.

I'm all about rationality, it's what I do. How'bout you?

You realize that the Jove wiped out an entire Ammarian fleet without very many losses right?

Indeed. But if we consider the then level of technology and strength of militaries the Amarr gave the Jove a battle, a short one nonetheless, any other racial fleet would have been decimated within minutes.

Historically the Amarr had the strongest military of the time.

Largest, they had the largest. The Caldari would decimate you, the Federation would obliterate. Even the Minmatar are beating you in the skirmishes over border planets. To be honest, the Amarrian military is the slowest improving military in between the four empires.

This I doubt. However its not Matari military that is doing so well in border skirmishes, its the Empyreans that fight their wars.

So you are either saying the Minmatar have more backing from non Minmatar when compared to non Amarrian support of the Amarr Empire.

They have more wealth.

Or that they have better leadership.

You bet your sweet golden Amarren buns! The Minmatar are more popular with the Caldari and Gallante than loose female Caldari "entertainers" in a Black Eagle "meeting".

;)

I am starting to think of this thing, not sure what. It had something to do with logical fallacies, Amarr are good at naming those. Oh, yes! Ad Hominem. Reminds me a lot about you Aztec.

That said, it's best if you stopped replying to him Adamance, he is intentionally trying to bait you and flame you, it's best if you just block him permanently.

Perhaps I shall.

Do it.

all 4 empires have their own terrorist organization.

However the Intaki Liberation Front is not a terrorist organisation.

if attacking innocent civilians and destroying buildings out of spite doesn't make you a terrorist, I don't know what does (don't talk to me about the black eagles, everyone knows there terrorists)

if attacking innocent civilians and destroying buildings out of spite doesn't make you a terrorist, I don't know what does (don't talk to me about the black eagles, everyone knows there terrorists)

They do not do this though.

There is no need to lie.

well.. I may look like a hypocrite but the ISK payout is what took me.

im in an eve online amarrian corp lol

... Um, possibly not so hypocritical, soldier. After all, you did make it plain that you're mostly in it for the destruction.

well.. im always talking about how I follow the federation with pride.

Respectfully, being as nationalism makes an excellent excuse for feeding the hole behind one's eyes, I tend to take nationalist sentiments from self-described destroyers with a grain of salt, soldier.

Perhaps that is only my own rather jaded perspective, however.

im mainly in this for the ISK I get payed from EVE pilots.. im apparently the 1st dust merc they have, better not ruin their view on the rest of us

Mm. ... hm.

Respectfully to all concerned, it is likely to be some time before they, themselves, will be in a position to pay you. Our economies are presently isolated from one another, as you of course know.

I admire your patience.

yep.. lol

I have little information about the Intaki Liberation Front. and would not jump to conclusions and call them terrorists.
As a Gallentean I see why the ILF seeks to cut ties with the Federation. During the Gallente-Caldari war many things were done on both sides, the Federation made many mistakes. Things that many people were unhappy with.
That said, my question is what the Intaki people would gain be getting out of the Federation? Join the Caldari State? Become a prey to the Amarr Empire?
There are ways which the Intaki people can maintain its individuality and remain in the Federation.
The Intaki people are an Important part of the Federation, the Federation needs to change its approach towards not only the Intaki people but to all members of the Federation if it is to remain united.
The Federation must learn from its mistakes and not forget about it, because only through learning we can began the healing process the Federation much need.
To my fellows Intakis, I ask you only this, Lets not focus on the differences that drive our peoples apart but rather let us focus on what unite us and make us strong, remembering that by standing together we can achieve greatness. In times like this we do not need to drive a divide between our people but to remain united and work together in order to improve our beloved Federation.

An Intaki is fundamentally a citizen of the Federation and as such they can find an identity in the civic state of the Federation. Such an identity might supercede traditional definitions of race and ethnicity were it the only form of nationalism present in the Federation. However, it is not merely the Federation, it is the Gallente Federation. Many times I have been referred to as a Gallente simply because of the common Intaki association with the Federation. In such cases, a citizen finding civic national identity in the Federation is also labeled with the mark of the ethnic national identity of the Gallente. We are considered a "bloodline" of the Gallente ethnicity and I believe an appropriate name for this process is bloodlining. This labeling or bloodlining, though absolutely false, is not uncommon and each day the dual civic and ethnic identity of the Gallente Federation integrates more of those Intaki within its borders.

Through the duality of citizenship within the Federation, an Intaki can be simultaneously a Gallente and a Federalist. Externally, and inclusively, an Intaki is labeled a member of the Gallente Federation thus affirming civic and ethnic nationalistic identities. However, exclusively and internally, the Intaki are "othered" in the very fact that they are not actual Gallenteans. Inside the Federation the Intaki are not Gallente, and are consistently reminded of this fact, through inevitable differentiation and, in some unfortunate cases, discrimination. This othering is echoed in the exile of Intakis by the Federation as well as our continuing popular connotation as criminals. The simultaneous dualism and dichotomy of civic and ethnic identities have conflated any overt or apparent sense of Intaki ethnic identity. It is in this process that the Gallente state apparatus can distort, obscure and marginalize a sustained and representative Intaki identity in favor of a plastic and controlled imposition of civic ethnicity.

Since you seem to be the only reasonable person in this thread(Yun Hee, Galm and Adamance excluded), I'll reply to your statements. But to note, there's an entire separate thread and a full post in this thread that explains our beliefs and corrects Aztec's lies. You should go read those before continuing this discussion further.

Again, our goal is to not join the Caldari State or any other empire, just to set up an independent sovereignty over Intaki and her colonies, free from the influence of any empire. And since you seem concerned that we will somehow be targeted by the Amarr Empire, while we appreciate your concern, I'll remind you that no Reclaiming has been done for centuries, and it is unlikely that they will start reclaiming again any time soon. Besides that they have no reason to attack us, especially when they have to go through Gallente territory first.

I do not agree with your statement that we can maintain our individuality and still be a part of the Federation. The problem is that when we Intaki live in the Luminaire and other Federation colonies outside of Placid, we are not Intaki there, we are Gallenteans. A fellow corporation member has explained it better, so I shall quote him:


Not only are we seperated economically and by territory because they left us to ourselves in lowsec at the mercy of pirates and militia, we are also seperated culturally. Slowly, our own Intaki culture is being assimilated into the Gallentean culture, until the point that we have lost all ethnic and cultural identity of ourselves. The Federation might start protecting us again, they might protect us from pirates and revitalize our economy, but they can never change the attitudes of its citizens.

Back when the Caldari-Gallente war was rampant, several Intaki showed support for the Caldari, and were quickly exiled from the Federation. This discrimination was not done by the government only, but by the citizens. Because of those Intaki who wanted to show support for the Caldari and tried to end the entire pointless war, every single Intaki received a bad reputation and ended up being discriminated by the Gallente, we were isolated at a national and cultural level.

That is why I don't want to have Intaki as a part of the Federation, because in the end we would not be Intaki anymore.

Reasoning is the only way we can both understand each other my friend. I am thankful that we can discuss the matter. In a free society like ours, there will always be those who like certain reasoning and are swift to jump to conclusions before analyzing certain facts.

I agree with you, the Federation has let its citizens down, specially during the War. But those were turbulent times.
And we must work together to rectify those mistakes for the good of our people. Unfortunately we live in a world where it only takes a spoiled apple to ruin the bunch. Because some Intaki indeed back the Caldari most Intaki people were labelled as traitors. We must remember that at that time the Federation was governed by a Ultra-nationalist group. Any views against the Federation were seen as acts of treason. I disagree, I think that the people should be able to scrutinize the governments attitudes when unhappy with them. It sadness me to see that you do not believe that the Intaki can remain a part of the Federation regardless of the boundaries between our worlds. I believe that what is required is a social and cultural reform of the Federation. rather than a separation between our people.

Just a final word my friend.
I am a great believer of the Federation, I believe that every culture that is part of the Federation can maintain its identity even in a world were many cultures are mixed together. Mistakes will always be made and that we should never forget those mistakes because they teach us so many things. They help us become better. I hope that overtime you can see that remaining with the Federation can be a good thing for the Intaki people and perhaps you can lead the Gallenteans and the Intaki people to reconciliation.

I'm glad my old corporation has received an honorable person like you under its wing, yudha suprab, jaater.

I still believe in the Federation, don't get me wrong. In my opinion, there is no universal good or bad, everything has its good and bad sides, from Diana Kim to the Amarr Empire to a Gallente fanatic. The problem is that as it stands right now, the Intaki are outsiders in their own government, and the ones who live in the Federation(there are a great number of Intaki who have never set foot onto our homeplanet) are pressured to be assimilated into the Gallente or face social isolation. While the current government is far from the ultra-nationalistic version that ran the Federation during the Caldari-Gallente war, corruption can still be seen within the current government, and with Jacus Roden as the president, there have been a great number of more war efforts being made, prime example being the whole Caldari Prime incident a few months back.

And again, the problem is not only political, but social and cultural as well. I have faced discrimination when talking with other Gallenteans, and a great number more living in the Federation have sometimes even faced open racism, Gallenteans are still bitter from our defiance of the government during the war. It is a lot harder to change the thoughts and attitudes of the people without causing rights to be lost, and that is one of the reasons why I believe a secession from the Federation is needed.

There is no need to lie.

You, DeadlyAztec11...

*snip*

What do you hope to accomplish here?

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Just a test run, we don't really plan on going official with this. Probably just going to let it seep into conspiracy circles, youth counter culture and popular media. We want to incite doubt in people's minds, over potential enemies of the Federation. Now if the ILF ever slips up, a [small] part of the populace will shed light on this theory.

To be honest, I don't like doing a lot of this desk work, I prefer to go out into the field. Whether it's a camo assignment, dark OP (not black) or a loud raid, it feels natural. Though, I guess this is what happens when you blow up a 28 billion dollar sub ocean base... My bad. Now my battlefield is a desk. Though, they won't keep me here forever, you can't keep EZ ISK down!

Really because I can buy sub ocean bases for a fraction of that value.

Yeah, but can you put them together in foreign territory, without the locals figuring it out? Can you also make them nearly undetectable? That SOB was high tech!

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Just a test run, we don't really plan on going official with this. Probably just going to let it seep into conspiracy circles, youth counter culture and popular media. We want to incite doubt in people's minds, over potential enemies of the Federation. Now if the ILF ever slips up, a [small] part of the populace will shed light on this theory.

To be honest, I don't like doing a lot of this desk work, I prefer to go out into the field. Whether it's a camo assignment, dark OP (not black) or a loud raid, it feels natural. Though, I guess this is what happens when you blow up a 28 billion dollar sub ocean base... My bad. Now my battlefield is a desk. Though, they won't keep me here forever, you can't keep EZ ISK down!

Yeah, but can you put them together in foreign territory, without the locals figuring it out? Can you also make them nearly undetectable? That SOB was high tech!

Best be sure to include in your report to your superiors that you outed yourself as a spook, a sower of disinformation, and an unspeakable screw-up very shortly after disseminating that same disinformation ... all in the self-same forum topic.

Soldier, you would be severely damaging my opinion of Federal intelligence if I were gullible enough to think that they had actually hired you. For your own sake and our sanity, please go speak with your corporation's resident counselor.

Literally, seek professional help, please.

I'm not a soldier. Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.

If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.

Genius, no?

I'm not a soldier.

Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.

If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.

Genius, no?

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Wow.

So he concocted a bunch of lies about ILF but couldn't be arsed to even try to fake any evidence to go with said concoctions, then once pegged for lying, openly admitted to doing exactly that, and then went on anyway to spout off some more lies (again with no evidence, concocted or otherwise) and...what? We're supposed to start wringing our hands because this poor performance might make a few conspiracy theorists notice that he showed no evidence for there being any conspiracy that he never properly outlined in the first place and admitted was his own lie?


I laughed. Seriously, man, thanks for the chuckleGÇöI needed it tonightGÇöbut don't quit your day job. Or night job. Or whatever it is that you do when you aren't doing this "spook" stuff.

You are scum.
Blind accusations of terrorism against completely innocent and random groups for no apparent reason... This paints the Federation in a bad light, to have such idiots amongst us.

Actually no, it's not genius for one very simple fact.

You are not with the Federal Intelligence Office, a real operative would not share this kind of information. Not to mention that your entire method of collecting this information is stupid and would shame the entire FIO. Seriously, go get professional help, you're worse than the first generation clones.

((FYI, saying that: "Oh I'm actually supah spai and not merc" is stupid, it is impossible for a clone soldier to work for the FIO. At least come up with a proper reason and not just: "Because, like, I said so!", you're just making a fool of yourself IC and OOC))

Actually I would reveal my status as a third party operative. Mostly due to my current assignment, the study of the psychology of conspiracy. This is what this thread is about.

((Just wanted to jump start a conversation in this channel. Get some blood pumping, get people posting. P.S you are suppose to dislike my character. I am going for the "shady bad guy, who is kind of stupid yet a little funny, and is random enough to be good guy at some point". I am playing many angles with this character. From Federation fanboi to clone who has a personality disorder due to my 1st generation implants. Chill out broski ;) ))

((Its a rather discontinuous character you have their and not one many RPers will want to be associated with for sheer inconsistencies and well rather a poorly thought out scenario.... I mean in all honesty you just alienated the Intaki RPers, some of the Gallentean RPers, probably the Amarrian RPers, and the caldari just don't like you anyway.))

((meh, it keeps this channel interesting, heated and a bit random. Plus, this character is not that random, just very detailed.))

((You're not making the IGS interesting, you're making it worse by pointlessly flaming a group. And it doesn't matter how detailed your character is if no one is interested in interacting with you since you pissed off pretty much everyone IC))

Innocent? YOU THOUGHT! Might not be terrorists, but they shady.

What "known contact" between ILF and the Intaki Syndicate? Did you actually do any research on us at all or did you just run a query for the word 'Intaki' and hope to get lucky?

Some of our past and current members have familial ties to that area of space, which gives them reason enough to go there from time to time, but as a corporation and alliance, Syndicate is outside our area of operations. The Intaki Syndicate itself is a known haven for criminals. I'm told even the Intaki Space Police aren't shy about admitting their ties to the underbelly of Syndicate society.

It would be hypocritical for ILF to decry the actions of pirates like the Serpentis in Placid but agree to work with Syndicate groups like that. Our Suresha will have nothing to do with the Syndicate in its current state, so there is no "proof" of anything you say.

The exiles are to be commended for their perseverance in the face of meddlesome Federation arrogance, and certain lessons can be learned from their experience and certain achievements. But they ought to be pitied for the path they chose which has fostered such proliferation of crime and illegality. There are other, honorable groups in Syndicate working to rout out crime and piracy there, and ILF wishes them all the best luck in those efforts.

To be fair, the 'shady' Syndicate groups you are trying to link us to aren't terrorist groups either, to my knowledge. They're just on the wrong side of the law. If you're not careful you're going to bring them down around your head. Pretty sure they'll do worse than speak sternly in response to your accusations about them.

But speaking of shady, how exactly is ILF 'shady'? Again you make unsubstantiated claims and you just expect people to believe you?