A Faction that openly affirms Intaki liberty and freedom is labelled a terrorist organisation by the Federation or agents of the Federation.... and you wish to impose conformity upon them even though such is not their will.....

How much more can you represent the worst that is the Gallentean Federation?

I find it ironic that a fellow Intaki is calling my corporation a terrorist organization when he hasn't shown a single evidence of us doing any terrorist acts. What is even more ironic is that an Amarrian is defending me, which I am thankful for, Mr. Adamance.

And where did you get the impression that we wish to join the Caldari State? Our goal is to secede from the Federation, establish an independent sovereignty over the Intaki planet and her colonies, without interference from the Federation, the State or any other empire.

And again, what has the Federation actually done to help us? They left us in lowsec at the mercy of pirates, let capsuleers wreak havoc in our lands in their stupid Empyrean War. The Ida faith encourages being thoughtful and thinking before you speak, but I am starting to run out of patience with you. Do you even speak Intaki or are you that much corrupted by the Gallente propaganda?

You ce terrorists, yet you are the one who thinks the Black Eagles "do what is right to keep the Federation safe" in the cost of their very own ideals they swore to protect. You are the one who is calling ME a terrorist, yet you think that executing a person in public by literally having his insides explode is what he deserved.

You are not Intaki, you are a pawn of the Gallente, and whatever shred of identity you have left to the Intaki is twisted into the abomination that is your morals. Intaki asuprab lokrajalok suprab -- a bad Intaki makes a good Gallentean.

I respect those who respect themselves. unlike the Ethnic Gallenteans your people show signs of spiritual awareness, this is progress. I may not agree with your religion but I respect your people and the Intaki have done me no wrong.

And this fixes things how? You have not explained what the ILF has done to deserve to be called a terrorist organization, you have not explained how you have any influence over the Black Eagles or the Federation at all. You did not even apologize for calling me and my corporation terrorists because of your false beliefs.

You bastardise a bastardised form of the Faith? You are crossing a line here sir.

Now you speak of the Faith, do not transgress further and claim you know the true Faith, for God chose us to bring His true words to the furthest stars of every galaxy.

Yet your view of the Empire are not necessarily shared by the predominant part of the Caldari people.

Hey, I resent that remark! Most of those don't end in stand offs!

You said you were Intaki....

With that mind set it seems like you have forgotten that your Federation, being the corrupt and debased cowards you are, are simply using the Minmatar as weapons to keep us at bay. Your peoples blasphemies know no ends. You turn God's chosen children against one another, you seek so furtively to hold on to what your crumbling empire was that you oppress you people despite you assertions you are a free nation, your people suffer in unemployment and poverty, your children are addicted to drugs, your ship design is terrible, and you soldiers weak of mind and body.

Gentlemen,

It's a fact that the Intaki Liberation Front, the Intaki Prosperity Initiative, and its members have often been falsely accused of being "terrorists", "anarchists", "pirates", "Caldari pets", and so on. It's an old, overworn tactic used by Gallente loyalists who feel threatened by our movement to achieve independence for the Intaki sovereignty.

Now and then, such comments resurface from people duped into believing loyalist propaganda and hearsay. I suppose it's easier for some to make fallacious remarks instead of taking a few moments to actually investigate our corporation and alliance history for themselves.

That DeadlyAztec11 did not, and has not to date, presented any concrete evidence nor cited any sources supporting his claims, especially given information which directly contradicts his statements has been publicly available for years (see also here and here), is testament to this being little more than the usual alarmist stunt.

Having said this, two items DeadlyAztec11 brought up that are actually worth commenting on:

First. Of course we're a paramilitary organization. So is every other corporation and alliance in New Eden that has any sort of semi-organized combat division of some description, including the corporation DeadlyAztec11 belongs to. ILF and IPI have anti-pirate mandates. How else should we go about satisfying that mandate, unless he means we should just politely ask the criminals operating in the sovereignty to GTFO?

Second. As to our movement being funded "directly or indirectly by participating in Caldari contracts", it's also funded directly and indirectly by Amarr, Gallente, and Minmatar contracts, too. Whether our soldiers accept public contracts or faction contracts, the organizations that put them up in either category usually have some sort of empire affiliation. Did you also know that ILF spearheads trade hubs in Intaki and Agoze which capsuleer pirates as well as militia pilots from all empires regularly buy from and trade at? That ISK also supports our movement. The New Eden market is a free market and we have no way or desire to control who our customers are. If they don't want to support us they should really spend their money elsewhere. Likewise, as far as the faction contracts go, the four empires decided of their own free will to make them available to unenlisted corporations. If they aren't going to be discerning about where their ISK goes, why should our mercs not take them up on it? The Empyrean War has proven to be a stalemate anyway.

If you have a legitimate concern with our organization, DeadlyAztec11, please do bring it to light. Otherwise, I'd like to encourage you to reflect on where and in what manner you have been obtaining your so-called facts, and to pause and consider more thoroughly the veracity of what you think you know. Perhaps a trip to the Intaki Cultural Center on the homeworld would do you some good, if you can obtain leave from your commanding officer. The center was founded by Saxon Hawke, who also founded ILF and IPI, and is dedicated to upholding and teaching the traditions and culture of our people, and is often a nexus for ILF and IPI members.

Unfortunately for you he is beyond rational conversation of thought for that matter.

Indeed, we're actually all secretly Jovesters planning to conquer all of New Eden with our enhanced clone soldier capsuleer tech. We have spies infiltrated into all the empires, and soon everyone from Jacus Roden, Samyl I, CEP and the Tribal Council will be under our control!

Soon, brothers.

Soon.

Indeed. But if we consider the then level of technology and strength of militaries the Amarr gave the Jove a battle, a short one nonetheless, any other racial fleet would have been decimated within minutes.

Historically the Amarr had the strongest military of the time.

This I doubt. However its not Matari military that is doing so well in border skirmishes, its the Empyreans that fight their wars.

Perhaps I shall.

They do not do this though.

I'm glad my old corporation has received an honorable person like you under its wing, yudha suprab, jaater.

I still believe in the Federation, don't get me wrong. In my opinion, there is no universal good or bad, everything has its good and bad sides, from Diana Kim to the Amarr Empire to a Gallente fanatic. The problem is that as it stands right now, the Intaki are outsiders in their own government, and the ones who live in the Federation(there are a great number of Intaki who have never set foot onto our homeplanet) are pressured to be assimilated into the Gallente or face social isolation. While the current government is far from the ultra-nationalistic version that ran the Federation during the Caldari-Gallente war, corruption can still be seen within the current government, and with Jacus Roden as the president, there have been a great number of more war efforts being made, prime example being the whole Caldari Prime incident a few months back.

And again, the problem is not only political, but social and cultural as well. I have faced discrimination when talking with other Gallenteans, and a great number more living in the Federation have sometimes even faced open racism, Gallenteans are still bitter from our defiance of the government during the war. It is a lot harder to change the thoughts and attitudes of the people without causing rights to be lost, and that is one of the reasons why I believe a secession from the Federation is needed.

Really because I can buy sub ocean bases for a fraction of that value.

Best be sure to include in your report to your superiors that you outed yourself as a spook, a sower of disinformation, and an unspeakable screw-up very shortly after disseminating that same disinformation ... all in the self-same forum topic.

Soldier, you would be severely damaging my opinion of Federal intelligence if I were gullible enough to think that they had actually hired you. For your own sake and our sanity, please go speak with your corporation's resident counselor.

Literally, seek professional help, please.

Wow.

So he concocted a bunch of lies about ILF but couldn't be arsed to even try to fake any evidence to go with said concoctions, then once pegged for lying, openly admitted to doing exactly that, and then went on anyway to spout off some more lies (again with no evidence, concocted or otherwise) and...what? We're supposed to start wringing our hands because this poor performance might make a few conspiracy theorists notice that he showed no evidence for there being any conspiracy that he never properly outlined in the first place and admitted was his own lie?


I laughed. Seriously, man, thanks for the chuckleGÇöI needed it tonightGÇöbut don't quit your day job. Or night job. Or whatever it is that you do when you aren't doing this "spook" stuff.

You are scum.
Blind accusations of terrorism against completely innocent and random groups for no apparent reason... This paints the Federation in a bad light, to have such idiots amongst us.

Actually no, it's not genius for one very simple fact.

You are not with the Federal Intelligence Office, a real operative would not share this kind of information. Not to mention that your entire method of collecting this information is stupid and would shame the entire FIO. Seriously, go get professional help, you're worse than the first generation clones.

((FYI, saying that: "Oh I'm actually supah spai and not merc" is stupid, it is impossible for a clone soldier to work for the FIO. At least come up with a proper reason and not just: "Because, like, I said so!", you're just making a fool of yourself IC and OOC))

((Its a rather discontinuous character you have their and not one many RPers will want to be associated with for sheer inconsistencies and well rather a poorly thought out scenario.... I mean in all honesty you just alienated the Intaki RPers, some of the Gallentean RPers, probably the Amarrian RPers, and the caldari just don't like you anyway.))

((You're not making the IGS interesting, you're making it worse by pointlessly flaming a group. And it doesn't matter how detailed your character is if no one is interested in interacting with you since you pissed off pretty much everyone IC))

What "known contact" between ILF and the Intaki Syndicate? Did you actually do any research on us at all or did you just run a query for the word 'Intaki' and hope to get lucky?

Some of our past and current members have familial ties to that area of space, which gives them reason enough to go there from time to time, but as a corporation and alliance, Syndicate is outside our area of operations. The Intaki Syndicate itself is a known haven for criminals. I'm told even the Intaki Space Police aren't shy about admitting their ties to the underbelly of Syndicate society.

It would be hypocritical for ILF to decry the actions of pirates like the Serpentis in Placid but agree to work with Syndicate groups like that. Our Suresha will have nothing to do with the Syndicate in its current state, so there is no "proof" of anything you say.

The exiles are to be commended for their perseverance in the face of meddlesome Federation arrogance, and certain lessons can be learned from their experience and certain achievements. But they ought to be pitied for the path they chose which has fostered such proliferation of crime and illegality. There are other, honorable groups in Syndicate working to rout out crime and piracy there, and ILF wishes them all the best luck in those efforts.

To be fair, the 'shady' Syndicate groups you are trying to link us to aren't terrorist groups either, to my knowledge. They're just on the wrong side of the law. If you're not careful you're going to bring them down around your head. Pretty sure they'll do worse than speak sternly in response to your accusations about them.

But speaking of shady, how exactly is ILF 'shady'? Again you make unsubstantiated claims and you just expect people to believe you?