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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:02:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Objective: Disinformation
My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.
The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Just a test run, we don't really plan on going official with this. Probably just going to let it seep into conspiracy circles, youth counter culture and popular media. We want to incite doubt in people's minds, over potential enemies of the Federation. Now if the ILF ever slips up, a [small] part of the populace will shed light on this theory.
To be honest, I don't like doing a lot of this desk work, I prefer to go out into the field. Whether it's a camo assignment, dark OP (not black) or a loud raid, it feels natural. Though, I guess this is what happens when you blow up a 28 billion dollar sub ocean base... My bad. Now my battlefield is a desk. Though, they won't keep me here forever, you can't keep EZ ISK down!
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Really because I can buy sub ocean bases for a fraction of that value. Yeah, but can you put them together in foreign territory, without the locals figuring it out? Can you also make them nearly undetectable? That SOB was high tech! Best be sure to include in your report to your superiors that you outed yourself as a spook, a sower of disinformation, and an unspeakable screw-up very shortly after disseminating it ... all in the self-same forum topic.
Soldier, you would be severely damaging my opinion of Federal intelligence if I were gullible enough to think that they had actually hired you. For your own sake and our sanity, please go speak with your corporation's resident counselor.
Literally, seek professional help, please. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2141
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Posted - 2013.09.10 00:22:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Objective: Disinformation
My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.
The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;) DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Just a test run, we don't really plan on going official with this. Probably just going to let it seep into conspiracy circles, youth counter culture and popular media. We want to incite doubt in people's minds, over potential enemies of the Federation. Now if the ILF ever slips up, a [small] part of the populace will shed light on this theory.
To be honest, I don't like doing a lot of this desk work, I prefer to go out into the field. Whether it's a camo assignment, dark OP (not black) or a loud raid, it feels natural. Though, I guess this is what happens when you blow up a 28 billion dollar sub ocean base... My bad. Now my battlefield is a desk. Though, they won't keep me here forever, you can't keep EZ ISK down! DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Really because I can buy sub ocean bases for a fraction of that value. Yeah, but can you put them together in foreign territory, without the locals figuring it out? Can you also make them nearly undetectable? That SOB was high tech! Best be sure to include in your report to your superiors that you outed yourself as a spook, a sower of disinformation, and an unspeakable screw-up very shortly after disseminating that same disinformation ... all in the self-same forum topic. Soldier, you would be severely damaging my opinion of Federal intelligence if I were gullible enough to think that they had actually hired you. For your own sake and our sanity, please go speak with your corporation's resident counselor. Literally, seek professional help, please. I'm not a soldier. Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.
If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.
Genius, no? |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
442
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:42:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm not a soldier. Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.
If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.
Genius, no? Actually no, it's not genius for one very simple fact.
You are not with the Federal Intelligence Office, a real operative would not share this kind of information. Not to mention that your entire method of collecting this information is stupid and would shame the entire FIO. Seriously, go get professional help, you're worse than the first generation clones.
((FYI, saying that: "Oh I'm actually supah spai and not merc" is stupid, it is impossible for a clone soldier to work for the FIO. At least come up with a proper reason and not just: "Because, like, I said so!", you're just making a fool of yourself IC and OOC)) |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
252
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Posted - 2013.09.10 03:49:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm not a soldier. If you insist. Clone self-alleged spook, then.
Quote:Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.
If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.
Genius, no? And I presume the fact that you have now outed that stratagem, as well, is merely another turn of the wheels within wheels of Federal intelligence (assuming it would even work as described, which seems ... generous).
Soldier, or whatever, on the chance that you're just playing at all of this, a note:
Credibility is based on a certain quality of genuine-ness. Once lost, it cannot be easily recovered-- not even by revealing the mask and dropping all pretense. So if you are not in fact "going 514," you won't be able to reclaim what you lost merely by dropping the act.
A liar who stops lying is just that: a liar who is not lying right now.
And what you are pretending to be, if you are pretending, is not gaining you credit. You are hemorrhaging credit.
IF, on the other hand, what you portray yourself as is genuine (in which case not one word of mine will reach you), and IF that is where we are all eventually headed....
... at least I can look forward to being queen of my own little reality some day. Perhaps we can work out trade routes across the borders. |
Kaleena Elianos
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
8
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Posted - 2013.09.10 05:38:00 -
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Wow.
So he concocted a bunch of lies about ILF but couldn't be arsed to even try to fake any evidence to go with said concoctions, then once pegged for lying, openly admitted to doing exactly that, and then went on anyway to spout off some more lies (again with no evidence, concocted or otherwise) and...what? We're supposed to start wringing our hands because this poor performance might make a few conspiracy theorists notice that he showed no evidence for there being any conspiracy that he never properly outlined in the first place and admitted was his own lie?
I laughed. Seriously, man, thanks for the chuckleGÇöI needed it tonightGÇöbut don't quit your day job. Or night job. Or whatever it is that you do when you aren't doing this "spook" stuff. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3129
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Posted - 2013.09.10 06:11:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Objective: Disinformation
My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.
The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)
You are scum. Blind accusations of terrorism against completely innocent and random groups for no apparent reason... This paints the Federation in a bad light, to have such idiots amongst us. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2141
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:08:00 -
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Kaleena Elianos wrote:Wow.
So he concocted a bunch of lies about ILF but couldn't be arsed to even try to fake any evidence to go with said concoctions, then once pegged for lying, openly admitted to doing exactly that, and then went on anyway to spout off some more lies (again with no evidence, concocted or otherwise) and...what? We're supposed to start wringing our hands because this poor performance might make a few conspiracy theorists notice that he showed no evidence for there being any conspiracy that he never properly outlined in the first place and admitted was his own lie?
I laughed. Seriously, man, thanks for the chuckleGÇöI needed it tonightGÇöbut don't quit your day job. Or night job. Or whatever it is that you do when you aren't doing this "spook" stuff. My job is being a Merc. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2141
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:15:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Objective: Disinformation
My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.
The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;) You are scum. Blind accusations of terrorism against completely innocent and random groups for no apparent reason... This paints the Federation in a bad light, to have such idiots amongst us. Innocent? YOU THOUGHT! Might not be terrorists, but they shady.
Also, the base was going to be discovered soon anyways. As it turns out, the very next week, a heavy dropship crash landed into the water following technical difficulties. Had the base not been destroyed, it would most likely been discovered by first responders. Boom, EZ ISK strikes again.
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DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2141
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Posted - 2013.09.10 09:37:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm not a soldier. Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.
If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.
Genius, no? Actually no, it's not genius for one very simple fact. You are not with the Federal Intelligence Office, a real operative would not share this kind of information. Not to mention that your entire method of collecting this information is stupid and would shame the entire FIO. Seriously, go get professional help, you're worse than the first generation clones. ((FYI, saying that: "Oh I'm actually supah spai and not merc" is stupid, it is impossible for a clone soldier to work for the FIO. At least come up with a proper reason and not just: "Because, like, I said so!", you're just making a fool of yourself IC and OOC)) Actually I would reveal my status as a third party operative. Mostly due to my current assignment, the study of the psychology of conspiracy. This is what this thread is about.
((Just wanted to jump start a conversation in this channel. Get some blood pumping, get people posting. P.S you are suppose to dislike my character. I am going for the "shady bad guy, who is kind of stupid yet a little funny, and is random enough to be good guy at some point". I am playing many angles with this character. From Federation fanboi to clone who has a personality disorder due to my 1st generation implants. Chill out broski ;) ))
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1898
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:13:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm not a soldier. Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.
If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.
Genius, no? Actually no, it's not genius for one very simple fact. You are not with the Federal Intelligence Office, a real operative would not share this kind of information. Not to mention that your entire method of collecting this information is stupid and would shame the entire FIO. Seriously, go get professional help, you're worse than the first generation clones. ((FYI, saying that: "Oh I'm actually supah spai and not merc" is stupid, it is impossible for a clone soldier to work for the FIO. At least come up with a proper reason and not just: "Because, like, I said so!", you're just making a fool of yourself IC and OOC)) Actually I would reveal my status as a third party operative. Mostly due to my current assignment, the study of the psychology of conspiracy. This is what this thread is about. ((Just wanted to jump start a conversation in this channel. Get some blood pumping, get people posting. P.S you are suppose to dislike my character. I am going for the "shady bad guy, who is kind of stupid yet a little funny, and is random enough to be good guy at some point". I am playing many angles with this character. From Federation fanboi to clone who has a personality disorder due to my 1st generation implants. Chill out broski ;) ))
((Its a rather discontinuous character you have their and not one many RPers will want to be associated with for sheer inconsistencies and well rather a poorly thought out scenario.... I mean in all honesty you just alienated the Intaki RPers, some of the Gallentean RPers, probably the Amarrian RPers, and the caldari just don't like you anyway.)) |
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DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2141
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'm not a soldier. Second of all, outing myself was simply a test to see what the effect would be on the minds of mercenaries. As expected, it discredited me almost immediately. This is valuable knowledge.
If we choose to apply this method, we could discredit our own ops by "leaking" them before they are actually leaked. In this way, anybody else claiming to have evidence of the same project would be discredited before they could get a decent spot light.
Genius, no? Actually no, it's not genius for one very simple fact. You are not with the Federal Intelligence Office, a real operative would not share this kind of information. Not to mention that your entire method of collecting this information is stupid and would shame the entire FIO. Seriously, go get professional help, you're worse than the first generation clones. ((FYI, saying that: "Oh I'm actually supah spai and not merc" is stupid, it is impossible for a clone soldier to work for the FIO. At least come up with a proper reason and not just: "Because, like, I said so!", you're just making a fool of yourself IC and OOC)) Actually I would reveal my status as a third party operative. Mostly due to my current assignment, the study of the psychology of conspiracy. This is what this thread is about. ((Just wanted to jump start a conversation in this channel. Get some blood pumping, get people posting. P.S you are suppose to dislike my character. I am going for the "shady bad guy, who is kind of stupid yet a little funny, and is random enough to be good guy at some point". I am playing many angles with this character. From Federation fanboi to clone who has a personality disorder due to my 1st generation implants. Chill out broski ;) )) ((Its a rather discontinuous character you have their and not one many RPers will want to be associated with for sheer inconsistencies and well rather a poorly thought out scenario.... I mean in all honesty you just alienated the Intaki RPers, some of the Gallentean RPers, probably the Amarrian RPers, and the caldari just don't like you anyway.)) ((meh, it keeps this channel interesting, heated and a bit random. Plus, this character is not that random, just very detailed.)) |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
442
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Posted - 2013.09.10 10:31:00 -
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Stop Doing Quote Pyramids and Enough OOC wrote: ((meh, it keeps this channel interesting, heated and a bit random. Plus, this character is not that random, just very detailed.))
((You're not making the IGS interesting, you're making it worse by pointlessly flaming a group. And it doesn't matter how detailed your character is if no one is interested in interacting with you since you pissed off pretty much everyone)) |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2141
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Posted - 2013.09.10 21:31:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Stop Doing Quote Pyramids and Enough OOC wrote: ((meh, it keeps this channel interesting, heated and a bit random. Plus, this character is not that random, just very detailed.))
((You're not making the IGS interesting, you're making it worse by pointlessly flaming a group. And it doesn't matter how detailed your character is if no one is interested in interacting with you since you pissed off pretty much everyone IC)) ((chill out, ain't got to be so serious. P.S I kind of am playing the bad guy, so I am suppose to be angering people. Kind of like how people dislike the antagonist in any work of fiction that has one. Most people want to be the good guy, but that is boring, everybody gets along and it's a boring talk. There has to be corruption, suspense, unity, separation, climaxes, twists. There cannot be only light, there has to be dark. As much disparity as it may cause, it keeps victory important and turns defeat into an opportunity to learn. The same reason your character must persist, is the same reason my character must persist. Same reason True Amdance must exist. We all have biases, each helps the story progress. We can all persist as enemies in character. Though, we can all be allies in real life.)) |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2676
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Posted - 2013.09.11 11:48:00 -
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Kaleena Elianos
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
9
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Posted - 2013.09.11 23:14:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.
The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;) You are scum. Blind accusations of terrorism against completely innocent and random groups for no apparent reason... This paints the Federation in a bad light, to have such idiots amongst us. Innocent? YOU THOUGHT! Might not be terrorists, but they shady. What "known contact" between ILF and the Intaki Syndicate? Did you actually do any research on us at all or did you just run a query for the word 'Intaki' and hope to get lucky?
Some of our past and current members have familial ties to that area of space, which gives them reason enough to go there from time to time, but as a corporation and alliance, Syndicate is outside our area of operations. The Intaki Syndicate itself is a known haven for criminals. I'm told even the Intaki Space Police aren't shy about admitting their ties to the underbelly of Syndicate society.
It would be hypocritical for ILF to decry the actions of pirates like the Serpentis in Placid but agree to work with Syndicate groups like that. Our Suresha will have nothing to do with the Syndicate in its current state, so there is no "proof" of anything you say.
The exiles are to be commended for their perseverance in the face of meddlesome Federation arrogance, and certain lessons can be learned from their experience and certain achievements. But they ought to be pitied for the path they chose which has fostered such proliferation of crime and illegality. There are other, honorable groups in Syndicate working to rout out crime and piracy there, and ILF wishes them all the best luck in those efforts.
To be fair, the 'shady' Syndicate groups you are trying to link us to aren't terrorist groups either, to my knowledge. They're just on the wrong side of the law. If you're not careful you're going to bring them down around your head. Pretty sure they'll do worse than speak sternly in response to your accusations about them.
But speaking of shady, how exactly is ILF 'shady'? Again you make unsubstantiated claims and you just expect people to believe you? |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2142
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Posted - 2013.09.12 00:36:00 -
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Kaleena Elianos wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.
The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;) You are scum. Blind accusations of terrorism against completely innocent and random groups for no apparent reason... This paints the Federation in a bad light, to have such idiots amongst us. Innocent? YOU THOUGHT! Might not be terrorists, but they shady. What "known contact" between ILF and the Intaki Syndicate? Did you actually do any research on us at all or did you just run a query for the word 'Intaki' and hope to get lucky? Some of our past and current members have familial ties to that area of space, which gives them reason enough to go there from time to time, but as a corporation and alliance, Syndicate is outside our area of operations. The Intaki Syndicate itself is a known haven for criminals. I'm told even the Intaki Space Police aren't shy about admitting their ties to the underbelly of Syndicate society. It would be hypocritical for ILF to decry the actions of pirates like the Serpentis in Placid but agree to work with Syndicate groups like that. Our Suresha will have nothing to do with the Syndicate in its current state, so there is no "proof" of anything you say. The exiles are to be commended for their perseverance in the face of meddlesome Federation arrogance, and certain lessons can be learned from their experience and certain achievements. But they ought to be pitied for the path they chose which has fostered such proliferation of crime and illegality. There are other, honorable groups in Syndicate working to rout out crime and piracy there, and ILF wishes them all the best luck in those efforts. To be fair, the 'shady' Syndicate groups you are trying to link us to aren't terrorist groups either, to my knowledge. They're just on the wrong side of the law. If you're not careful you're going to bring them down around your head. Pretty sure they'll do worse than speak sternly in response to your accusations about them. But speaking of shady, how exactly is ILF 'shady'? Again you make unsubstantiated claims and you just expect people to believe you?
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