all 4 empires have their own terrorist organization.

However the Intaki Liberation Front is not a terrorist organisation.

if attacking innocent civilians and destroying buildings out of spite doesn't make you a terrorist, I don't know what does (don't talk to me about the black eagles, everyone knows there terrorists)

if attacking innocent civilians and destroying buildings out of spite doesn't make you a terrorist, I don't know what does (don't talk to me about the black eagles, everyone knows there terrorists)

They do not do this though.

There is no need to lie.

well.. I may look like a hypocrite but the ISK payout is what took me.

im in an eve online amarrian corp lol

... Um, possibly not so hypocritical, soldier. After all, you did make it plain that you're mostly in it for the destruction.

well.. im always talking about how I follow the federation with pride.

Respectfully, being as nationalism makes an excellent excuse for feeding the hole behind one's eyes, I tend to take nationalist sentiments from self-described destroyers with a grain of salt, soldier.

Perhaps that is only my own rather jaded perspective, however.

im mainly in this for the ISK I get payed from EVE pilots.. im apparently the 1st dust merc they have, better not ruin their view on the rest of us

Mm. ... hm.

Respectfully to all concerned, it is likely to be some time before they, themselves, will be in a position to pay you. Our economies are presently isolated from one another, as you of course know.

I admire your patience.

yep.. lol

I have little information about the Intaki Liberation Front. and would not jump to conclusions and call them terrorists.
As a Gallentean I see why the ILF seeks to cut ties with the Federation. During the Gallente-Caldari war many things were done on both sides, the Federation made many mistakes. Things that many people were unhappy with.
That said, my question is what the Intaki people would gain be getting out of the Federation? Join the Caldari State? Become a prey to the Amarr Empire?
There are ways which the Intaki people can maintain its individuality and remain in the Federation.
The Intaki people are an Important part of the Federation, the Federation needs to change its approach towards not only the Intaki people but to all members of the Federation if it is to remain united.
The Federation must learn from its mistakes and not forget about it, because only through learning we can began the healing process the Federation much need.
To my fellows Intakis, I ask you only this, Lets not focus on the differences that drive our peoples apart but rather let us focus on what unite us and make us strong, remembering that by standing together we can achieve greatness. In times like this we do not need to drive a divide between our people but to remain united and work together in order to improve our beloved Federation.

An Intaki is fundamentally a citizen of the Federation and as such they can find an identity in the civic state of the Federation. Such an identity might supercede traditional definitions of race and ethnicity were it the only form of nationalism present in the Federation. However, it is not merely the Federation, it is the Gallente Federation. Many times I have been referred to as a Gallente simply because of the common Intaki association with the Federation. In such cases, a citizen finding civic national identity in the Federation is also labeled with the mark of the ethnic national identity of the Gallente. We are considered a "bloodline" of the Gallente ethnicity and I believe an appropriate name for this process is bloodlining. This labeling or bloodlining, though absolutely false, is not uncommon and each day the dual civic and ethnic identity of the Gallente Federation integrates more of those Intaki within its borders.

Through the duality of citizenship within the Federation, an Intaki can be simultaneously a Gallente and a Federalist. Externally, and inclusively, an Intaki is labeled a member of the Gallente Federation thus affirming civic and ethnic nationalistic identities. However, exclusively and internally, the Intaki are "othered" in the very fact that they are not actual Gallenteans. Inside the Federation the Intaki are not Gallente, and are consistently reminded of this fact, through inevitable differentiation and, in some unfortunate cases, discrimination. This othering is echoed in the exile of Intakis by the Federation as well as our continuing popular connotation as criminals. The simultaneous dualism and dichotomy of civic and ethnic identities have conflated any overt or apparent sense of Intaki ethnic identity. It is in this process that the Gallente state apparatus can distort, obscure and marginalize a sustained and representative Intaki identity in favor of a plastic and controlled imposition of civic ethnicity.

Since you seem to be the only reasonable person in this thread(Yun Hee, Galm and Adamance excluded), I'll reply to your statements. But to note, there's an entire separate thread and a full post in this thread that explains our beliefs and corrects Aztec's lies. You should go read those before continuing this discussion further.

Again, our goal is to not join the Caldari State or any other empire, just to set up an independent sovereignty over Intaki and her colonies, free from the influence of any empire. And since you seem concerned that we will somehow be targeted by the Amarr Empire, while we appreciate your concern, I'll remind you that no Reclaiming has been done for centuries, and it is unlikely that they will start reclaiming again any time soon. Besides that they have no reason to attack us, especially when they have to go through Gallente territory first.

I do not agree with your statement that we can maintain our individuality and still be a part of the Federation. The problem is that when we Intaki live in the Luminaire and other Federation colonies outside of Placid, we are not Intaki there, we are Gallenteans. A fellow corporation member has explained it better, so I shall quote him:


Not only are we seperated economically and by territory because they left us to ourselves in lowsec at the mercy of pirates and militia, we are also seperated culturally. Slowly, our own Intaki culture is being assimilated into the Gallentean culture, until the point that we have lost all ethnic and cultural identity of ourselves. The Federation might start protecting us again, they might protect us from pirates and revitalize our economy, but they can never change the attitudes of its citizens.

Back when the Caldari-Gallente war was rampant, several Intaki showed support for the Caldari, and were quickly exiled from the Federation. This discrimination was not done by the government only, but by the citizens. Because of those Intaki who wanted to show support for the Caldari and tried to end the entire pointless war, every single Intaki received a bad reputation and ended up being discriminated by the Gallente, we were isolated at a national and cultural level.

That is why I don't want to have Intaki as a part of the Federation, because in the end we would not be Intaki anymore.

Reasoning is the only way we can both understand each other my friend. I am thankful that we can discuss the matter. In a free society like ours, there will always be those who like certain reasoning and are swift to jump to conclusions before analyzing certain facts.

I agree with you, the Federation has let its citizens down, specially during the War. But those were turbulent times.
And we must work together to rectify those mistakes for the good of our people. Unfortunately we live in a world where it only takes a spoiled apple to ruin the bunch. Because some Intaki indeed back the Caldari most Intaki people were labelled as traitors. We must remember that at that time the Federation was governed by a Ultra-nationalist group. Any views against the Federation were seen as acts of treason. I disagree, I think that the people should be able to scrutinize the governments attitudes when unhappy with them. It sadness me to see that you do not believe that the Intaki can remain a part of the Federation regardless of the boundaries between our worlds. I believe that what is required is a social and cultural reform of the Federation. rather than a separation between our people.

Just a final word my friend.
I am a great believer of the Federation, I believe that every culture that is part of the Federation can maintain its identity even in a world were many cultures are mixed together. Mistakes will always be made and that we should never forget those mistakes because they teach us so many things. They help us become better. I hope that overtime you can see that remaining with the Federation can be a good thing for the Intaki people and perhaps you can lead the Gallenteans and the Intaki people to reconciliation.

I'm glad my old corporation has received an honorable person like you under its wing, yudha suprab, jaater.

I still believe in the Federation, don't get me wrong. In my opinion, there is no universal good or bad, everything has its good and bad sides, from Diana Kim to the Amarr Empire to a Gallente fanatic. The problem is that as it stands right now, the Intaki are outsiders in their own government, and the ones who live in the Federation(there are a great number of Intaki who have never set foot onto our homeplanet) are pressured to be assimilated into the Gallente or face social isolation. While the current government is far from the ultra-nationalistic version that ran the Federation during the Caldari-Gallente war, corruption can still be seen within the current government, and with Jacus Roden as the president, there have been a great number of more war efforts being made, prime example being the whole Caldari Prime incident a few months back.

And again, the problem is not only political, but social and cultural as well. I have faced discrimination when talking with other Gallenteans, and a great number more living in the Federation have sometimes even faced open racism, Gallenteans are still bitter from our defiance of the government during the war. It is a lot harder to change the thoughts and attitudes of the people without causing rights to be lost, and that is one of the reasons why I believe a secession from the Federation is needed.

There is no need to lie.

You, DeadlyAztec11...

*snip*

What do you hope to accomplish here?

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Objective: Disinformation


My objective was to rile up support for unity among the Federation. Normally an act of domestic violence would be enough, unfortunately, resources are tied up at the moment. That said, we needed a scapegoat, the ILF does a nice job. It has been a problem for our bureaucratic leaders; two ships with one missile, no? Plus known contact between the ILF and the Intaki Syndicate adds *proof* of terrorist activities. Plus the name even sounds menacing, sounds like some Minmatar militia.

The ILF has actually done some shady things, though, not enough to be actually be terrorists. But the Public need need not know that, aye? ;)

Just a test run, we don't really plan on going official with this. Probably just going to let it seep into conspiracy circles, youth counter culture and popular media. We want to incite doubt in people's minds, over potential enemies of the Federation. Now if the ILF ever slips up, a [small] part of the populace will shed light on this theory.

To be honest, I don't like doing a lot of this desk work, I prefer to go out into the field. Whether it's a camo assignment, dark OP (not black) or a loud raid, it feels natural. Though, I guess this is what happens when you blow up a 28 billion dollar sub ocean base... My bad. Now my battlefield is a desk. Though, they won't keep me here forever, you can't keep EZ ISK down!

Really because I can buy sub ocean bases for a fraction of that value.

Yeah, but can you put them together in foreign territory, without the locals figuring it out? Can you also make them nearly undetectable? That SOB was high tech!