Was not expecting a post of this nature after reading the title. .. Was getting ready to troll, but loved the read lets just hope the kb/m is back to speed with 1.4 because honestly if its not there isn't much us old scholl twitch shooters can do to compete with the DS3 built in aimbot...

Story time, kids!

There was once a game called Unreal Tournament. It had a very interesting selection of tools of carnage, one of which was the beloved Flak Cannon. It had 2 firing modes (a feature the modern FPS player has already forgotten), one was a honest to god shotgun of the baddest kind.

Now the other one was trickier.

The single round was slow, had a curved trajectory, and exploded on impact so hard that a direct hit would blow your ass to bits even at overcharged shield and armor.
Reminds you of something?

Oh and it gets better! There was a peculiar weapon called the Shock Rifle. It also had 2 fire modes, a hitscan beam, doing little damage but knocked you back like a beast, and a slow ass ball of plasma that did a bit more damage but nothing to write home about.
But here comes the good part!
If you happen to hit the freshly fired ball with the beam, a fuckhueg explosion ensued, which mostly resulted in instakills and gibs galore.

Sounds pretty straight-forward right?
Now here comes the fun part:
People were doing this while travelling all 3 dimensions at ridiculous speeds, walljumping and dashing all over the place. And they were still hitting the ball, they were still faceshotting people with the flak in split seconds. And by split seconds I mean split seconds.

You ask how is that relevant to the topic subject?

The people that grew up on trickshotting through 2 different windows and a corridor are now in their mid 20s and got themselves a PS3.
And they are using mouse and keyboard in DUST.

They are using mouse and keyboard, because they always did.
These people grew up estimating curved trajectories and acceleration compensation while moving at 100 km/h in less than straight lines in Tribes.

So yeah, players that use mouse and keyboard do not tend to be better because they use mouse and keyboard. They tend to be better because they really are that good.

If you were playing FPS competetively before the dawn of the "modern shooter", you will most likely play competetively in DUST and wreck, simply because controller users are not accustomed to split second twitch headshot sprees and trickshots done without any kind of aim assist. They are physically unable to compete with KB/M.

And you would think, of all the games, in DUST people would step up their game in the face of fierce competition, right?
Wrong, they-¦d rather QQ about bad bad nasty KB/Ms and their "unfair advantage".

Thank you for your attention, rant over.

This update will allow mouse users to rotate up to the full suit cap just like DS3 and Move.

Should appease the people who were crying about not being able to aim properly.

Your post directly contradicts itself.

This update will allow mouse users to rotate up to the full suit cap just like DS3 and Move.

Should appease the people who were crying about not being able to aim properly.

This update will allow mouse users to rotate up to the full suit cap just like DS3 and Move.

Should appease the people who were crying about not being able to aim properly.

Story time, kids!

There was once a game called Unreal Tournament. It had a very interesting selection of tools of carnage, one of which was the beloved Flak Cannon. It had 2 firing modes (a feature the modern FPS player has already forgotten), one was a honest to god shotgun of the baddest kind.

Now the other one was trickier.

The single round was slow, had a curved trajectory, and exploded on impact so hard that a direct hit would blow your ass to bits even at overcharged shield and armor.
Reminds you of something?

Oh and it gets better! There was a peculiar weapon called the Shock Rifle. It also had 2 fire modes, a hitscan beam, doing little damage but knocked you back like a beast, and a slow ass ball of plasma that did a bit more damage but nothing to write home about.
But here comes the good part!
If you happen to hit the freshly fired ball with the beam, a fuckhueg explosion ensued, which mostly resulted in instakills and gibs galore.

Sounds pretty straight-forward right?
Now here comes the fun part:
People were doing this while travelling all 3 dimensions at ridiculous speeds, walljumping and dashing all over the place. And they were still hitting the ball, they were still faceshotting people with the flak in split seconds. And by split seconds I mean split seconds.

You ask how is that relevant to the topic subject?

The people that grew up on trickshotting through 2 different windows and a corridor are now in their mid 20s and got themselves a PS3.
And they are using mouse and keyboard in DUST.

They are using mouse and keyboard, because they always did.
These people grew up estimating curved trajectories and acceleration compensation while moving at 100 km/h in less than straight lines in Tribes.

So yeah, players that use mouse and keyboard do not tend to be better because they use mouse and keyboard. They tend to be better because they really are that good.

If you were playing FPS competetively before the dawn of the "modern shooter", you will most likely play competetively in DUST and wreck, simply because controller users are not accustomed to split second twitch headshot sprees and trickshots done without any kind of aim assist. They are physically unable to compete with KB/M.

And you would think, of all the games, in DUST people would step up their game in the face of fierce competition, right?
Wrong, they-¦d rather QQ about bad bad nasty KB/Ms and their "unfair advantage".

Thank you for your attention, rant over.

I wish I could believe that's what they're doing. I'm pretty sure no turn speed cap on mouse aim means NO turn speed cap, which means they can insta-spin all they want and sixaxis players will be (not for the first time) at a severe and blatantly unfair disadvantage.

I've been playing FPS games since Doom, and I went through Quake, Tribes, XS and UT (among others) along the way before I moved to primarily being a console gamer. I still play PC games occasionally, and some of them are shooters, but it isn't a common occurence for me these days. In spite of that, I know how those games work, I have been good at them in the past, and it wouldn't take long to get back up to speed.

But guess what? NONE OF THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE PROBLEM SIXAXIS USERS HAVE WITH MOUSE CONTROL.

Sure, there are some idiots saying that CCP shouldn't let people use mouse and keyboard. Those people are idiots, there's no denying that. But there are LEGITIMATE concerns about what CCP are doing to mouse control in 1.4, and those have NOTHING to do with how skilled or experienced you are.

A total noob on their first day playing a typical current-gen PC FPS can insta-180 with a mouse in most games because it's easy to do. They may not be able to line up that perfect headshot like a pro, but PC gamers know not to rely on the element of surprise, because it barely lasts the tiniest fraction of a second before the other player is shooting back. On consoles, the slower turning rates enforced by the sixaxis controller emphasise the stealthy approach of hitting from behind and keeping out of harm's way. We have to use other tactics to counter a backstabbing enemy, and those skills aren't nearly as valuable on PC as they are on console, because many of them are based around the same turn speed cap that makes it more difficult to get the attacker in your sights in the first place.

Neither set of skills makes a person a "better" or "worse" FPS player, but the two styles require very different skillsets.

There have been PC FPS games in the early days which had limited turn speed, and some of them enjoyed some success for a short time before being squashed by the big names that dominated the industry. In those games, you typically saw the same kind of tactics that are common in console shooters, because (obviously) they had the same rules.

DUST needs to balance the control schemes with turn speed caps. There is no way to have a console game with optional mouse and keyboard control and to have mouse turning totally unlimited without negating any sense of fairness in control schemes.

If they do what I'm expecting, I have a keyboard and mouse, so I'll still be able to play, but I will choose not to until they fix the game, because I play the game on my couch, and there isnt' a comfortable place for me to set up a mousepad and play the game. If necessary, I can do it, but it's not necessary. It's a GAME. Games are meant to be FUN, and if I have more FUN playing a game using my sixaxis controller, I'm going to do that instead of playing DUST, which forces me NOT to use it.

Talking like a real Pro ....You have any idea how hard is to instantly turn 180 degrees, then adjust your aim, and "maintain" that aim as you shooting ? Is not as easy as you making it sound ... it takes lots of practice.. and some kick ass reflexes.

There comes usually the part where you support your claims.
Just sayan.

I do actually.

But I'm not talking about ADJUSTING and MAINTAINING aim, just getting there in the first place close enough to hit the target.

I actually addressed the fact that you still need to line your shots up for accuracy, if you bothered to read what I said.

It took me less than 30 seconds to get the hang of quick-turning and stopping almost exactly on my target ready to line up a shot when I first picked up XS, which I got before Quake. I had to tweak the sensitivity on the mouse when I picked up Quake so it was comfortable, but once I did that, I was perfectly comfortable doing the same thing there almost immediately.

I don't see what your mention of "aimbots" has to do with this conversation, either. I don't use them, and even aim assist (which, contrary to popular delusion, is NOT the same thing) is something I usually turn off when given the choice. In the current state of DUST, I'm unfortunately forced to turn aim assist on, because CQC does weird things to my control sensitivity and breaks the game when I turn it off. Aim assist doesn't have time to kick in during most CQC battles in DUST, so other than turning off a glitch, it doesn't have much impact on my usual playstyle.

So... literally minutes of "practice and experience" for a computer-literate gamer being all that's required to hard-counter a valid tactic that's been learned, relearned, countered, and had the counters learned and anticipated with their own tactics. Yep, sounds fair.

EDIT: I'm not arguing that you shouldn't be able to use your mouse, or that you shouldn't be able to have the ability to turn at full speed with a mouse then shift immediately into precision aim just by changing how fast you're moving it. I just want mouse aim to be limited with the same turn speed cap that the sixaxis controller has, becase not having that is why the PS3 side of UT3 died, and is part of the reason why Shadowrun died. The other part is that instead of properly balancing the control schemes, they added aim assist that was FAR too effective (to the point where "aimbot" is probably appropriate).

That wasn't even the problem to start with... was the "Fine Aiming "that mouse users got **** off with... " Raw Input ". CCP completely nerfed the mouse.. instead of just "limiting" how fast you can turn the mouse. How a "Virtual Joystick" excuses the fact that "some" mouse users could instantly turn and kill someone... ?

But to finish this argument in a friendly note... lets just say that i agree with some of your "statements"... but not all.

Was not expecting a post of this nature after reading the title. .. Was getting ready to troll, but loved the read lets just hope the kb/m is back to speed with 1.4 because honestly if its not, there isn't much us old scholl twitch shooters can do to compete with the DS3 built in aimbot...