Come on if the guy gets that close to you he deserves the kill

This is simply an 'exploit', it's an in game mechanic that you utilize a repetition of the same actions to get the exact response out of it. So in turn it's an exploit, not a glitch. Just being honest. :)

Explain? Far as I know it's called CQC for a reason - you get close. And with shield tanking + speed mods with hit detection it shouldn't be hard at all to get close.

I know it's like if your getting meleed to death its like what scrubbery is occurring if you let someone get that close to you?

The best part the qq crowd has to say is "well when they sneak up on a heavy it is an insta gank!"

The words are funny coming from an assault player crying about the glitch. GOTTA GET GOOD PEEPS!

The thing is its just not as game breaking as the invisible glitch you candidate survive if you spot him first.

a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended

an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage


learn the definitions in this context people

and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage...

Thanks for the clarification.

Just to clarify on hooc's post:




AE's CEO has already called this an exploit.

And it's true there's many exploits - but how many of them are used in PC?

It seems AE is clearly cheating and won't admit to it.

a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended

an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage


learn the definitions in this context people

and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage...

and so a glitch isnt cheating, it wasnt done on purpose and it wasnt done for an advantage

an exploit however was done expressly to cheat

AE does not get to choose if it is an exploit or not. CCP does.

We know for a fact that CCP does now know what they are doing. A reasonable person might see it and think. "Oh yeah CCP screwed up or did not think about it." But how does anyone know they did not think about or that they did screw up. For all we know they thought. "yeah we want super fast melee attacks and we do it by using sprint to clear the attack"

For all we know it is working as CCP intended.

and so a glitch isnt cheating, it wasnt done on purpose and it wasnt done for an advantage

an exploit however was done expressly to cheat

FPS has it's shares of glitches and exploit abusers, always has. (and just flat out cheaters) But coming out to use any of these on some FPS games well.... Haha. you think hate mail in this game is the worse you will get?

*Some people take competitive FPS a little too serious*

Yeah. Tho they are the ones that smear the game more then the cheaters.

Anyway, this has been going on since beta. nothing new. K/D doesn't matter here. So all the crazy stuff that leaks in RL in other FPS games doesn't happen here.

FPS has it's shares of glitches and exploit abusers, always has. (and just flat out cheaters) But coming out to use any of these on some FPS games well.... Haha. you think hate mail in this game is the worse you will get?

*Some people take competitive FPS a little too serious*

Yeah. Tho they are the ones that smear the game more then the cheaters.

Anyway, this has been going on since beta. nothing new. K/D doesn't matter here. So all the crazy stuff that leaks in RL in other FPS games doesn't happen here.

Then why are there shotguns?

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

Ya hear about the guy who killed a child over a game in CoD?

uh, sure. But this isn't much on my topic. Is glitching/exploiting in PC cheating?

In dust? it ain't cheating. its exploiting. which is a **** thing to do, but not cheating.

Takes skill to melee someone dood. If it was cheating every tom di ck and harry would be doing it. Honestly if your getting sucker punched you need to get good and stop crying because they would shotty you to death any way.

Explain how it's not cheating?

Because if exploiting is cheating.. then everyone would be cheating. CCP still can't code this game worth it's damn. from closed beta to now. can you count all the exploits? I can't. too many. and still new ones that are gonna pop up.

cheating makes it so there is no counter. exploits can still be evaded or countered. One gives you an edge. the other is close to game breaking in how you almost can go with out dying.

LAG SWITCH? cheating.

GET GOOD *RIPS OFF SHIRT*

Im sorry my amarrian brother. Lets pray this cheater gets the whipping he deserves.

glitches are glitches. exploiting is where there is a know way to do glitch and it not normal part of game play. say you get infinte ammo by cycling guns while jumping, that would be exploitative to use and therefor cheating till said glitch is fixed. the rendering glitch is not something that is based off of the user but on background processes in game and therefor not exploited if used as there is no way to force this glitch to happen.
LAG switches.. totally exploiting, melee glitch is exploiting.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

You tube was always the source for exploiting and glitching and flat out cheating. kids couldn't help but post their **** there. lol


anyway, last time I checked PC was objective battles. Is it really the exploit thats giving them an edge to win, or them winning cause of exploit? The army with the higher ground holds an edge in the battle field. also the army with the most archers. or the one guy in the army carrying a gun to sword battle.

They all give an edge, but don't guarantee a win.

It comes down to two things. Community perception, and developer perception.

In fighting games, the use of all glitches is considered fair play, even if the glitch gives an overwhelming advantage. This is because fighting games move so fast that the use of glitches can't really be actively policed. Also because it's bred into the community mentality. When you go into an arcade and put your quarter in and someone uses a bunch of glitches to beat you, what are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing, that's what. the game doesn't care, your quarter is gone. The guy running the arcade likely doesn't give a **** either, to him the game is the game.

The only exceptions to this are absolutely game-breaking glitches that stall the match out, and even then, it's up for debate depending on the tournament organizer.

All-in-all, this creates a community perception that glitches are fine, and anyone who cries "exploit" is just acting like a little girl who doesn't have what it takes to win.

On the developer end, very few developers regularly update their fighting game. This has changed recently, but there is usually a cutoff point where people just have to deal with the game as it is. And they are not going to police a game, ever. So this reinforces the community perception that its OK.



In FPS games, we do not come from an arcade background. This gives us license to ***** and complain like 12 year old girls a lot more. We also have had the liberty of player-run servers for a long time and the ability to kick individuals who **** us off by doing **** we feel degrades the competitive experience. This has created a community perception that glitches are exploits, and should be dealt with because it is in our power to do so.

On the developer end of the spectrum, the game is classified as an MMO so it is going to get constant attention from the developers. They make it a point to police the game to an extent, and it is expected that they do so in exchange for the business many of us bring them. There are constantly new bugs and glitches cropping up in every update, so its unavoidable that some are used even if its accidental. The severity of the use is what is open to interpretation.

It is most definitely a glitch, and it can most definitely be "exploited" to get the win. And it is used constantly in that fashion. Nobody really wants to lose their character because they violated the EULA, so there are rules outside of the games code that must be followed to an extent. Assuming, of course, CCP is actually willing to step in and do the job they are supposed to be doing.

If not, then it is entirely acceptable for us to exploit it back.

The ball is in your court on that one, CCP.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

A baseball player takes roids and gets homerun record its only cheating if he gets caught..perfomance enhancing drugs are banned yet people still take them and don't get caught..would I do it? Hell yeah the best athletes do it so you have to aswell to compete

Would MD's not be an effective counter?

So do you believe the use of exploits/glitches is considered cheating or not? Do you condone like AE the use of such exploitations in PC?

Since AE got caught and there's even a video of it on the war room - does that mean you agree AE is cheating?

Are you saying objectives are on the high ground? Because melee glitch pretty much can insta stop all hacks - even more so if you make a suit centered around the glitch itself with increased speed.

Since AE got caught and there's even a video of it on the war room - does that mean you agree AE is cheating?

Takes skill to melee someone dood. If it was cheating every tom di ck and harry would be doing it. Honestly if your getting sucker punched you need to get good and stop crying because they would shotty you to death any way.

Are you saying everyone should use an MD? lol

I believe I asked if the MD was an effective counter. As I believe it would be. hint hint.

Wait - it's CCP's fault YOU guys exploit? It's a choice - you chose to cheat. How is it any simpler then that? I understand peoples want to troll pubs - but it's PC. It's suppose to be competitive matches between two teams skill. AE has been degrading to whoever exploits best.

CCP acknowledged that it's not working as intended and stated they'll fix it in 1.5...maybe.

Clearly it's not working as intended...unless OHK was a thing in this game with the melee like lolCoD.

Everyone knows it. Everyone knows it's an exploit being abused. People that don't want to admit it are the people defending this crap

But hey, anything to win right? Cheating is all part of fair, fun games...o wait....

Honestly though, I have no respect for people like that. They're pathetic.

My POV is that it's not. It comes with the fact that if your hacking I can OHK with any attack. (shotty. RE. smg. nade) Your hacking so it comes with that risk. Is that exploit more then when I place my RE in the objective to where it becomes invisible?

I've long been doing that. Am I cheating? or using a exploit? (blame yourselves ccp)

Wait - it's CCP's fault YOU guys exploit? It's a choice - you chose to cheat. How is it any simpler then that? I understand peoples want to troll pubs - but it's PC. It's suppose to be competitive matches between two teams skill. AE has been degrading to whoever exploits best.

Can a great athelete who is natural beat a great athlete on roids? No so the other athlete starts taking roids so he can be the best again..I agree the exploit is abused and cheating but its also on ccp

athletes get tested...especially after winning an important event. Tbh, if you wanna get technical, cuz I know a thing or two in this field, athletes on a professional lvl get tested often by their sporting body or their Olympic Committee depending who's funding the athlete.

Cheating is not something that is taken lightly. Maybe in American sports like Baseball and NFL.

So while agree CCP is to blame, but the player knows what he's doing, just like athletes know that taking PED's is wrong.

CCP comes like a sporting federation NOT testing their athletes, so they're free to take drugs.

These exploits are known, and they still exist, and I would never take advantage.

They haven't been fixed yet so they must be ok.

If a player does it and benefits from it, its reported and proven why don't the devs remove kills and isk earned. Or suspend the player. If that is too much work then fix it already.

funny how ppl say "get good" when they're goin negative or barely breaking even/positive when the person using the exploit carrying them, typical DUST community and these ppl suppose to be "competitive" players
this game is funny lol.

you can OHK with nades, SMG and shotguns? ... lol???

RE's are countered by flux.

When someone runs through gunfire and hits you once, abusing an exploit built into the game that's not working as intended, it's cheating.

All these tears are making me hard.

Nades.. sometimes. but mostly on militia. Shotty? hells yeah! SMG? come on dude, ish and six sin on prof 5? tho i miss my cala.

Thing is your hacking, so that lets me get close enough to smell what just ate. nothing at that range escapes. Re? I can be half a mile away.

Nades.. sometimes. but mostly on militia. Shotty? hells yeah! SMG? come on dude, ish and six sin on prof 5? tho i miss my cala.

Thing is your hacking, so that lets me get close enough to smell what just ate. nothing at that range escapes. Re? I can be half a mile away.

gotta admit, your trolling is better than your gungame

Got punched in da eye dood? Here is a patch.



Much betters!

I'm a heavy - no shotgun with stacked dmg mods can one shot me. Oh - but melee glitch can!

Got punched in da eye dood? Here is a patch.



Much betters!

They could have fixed it by now they could start suspending accounts, at the end of the day its on ccp yes the player has a choice but that's only cuz ccp is allowing it

But without the glitch can his melee still OHK? I mean if your hacking and he melee you. I'll admit heavy can't be OHK. But neither can they escape my blasts. my militia shotty rips armor like it's nothing. and never mind the proto breach. I take that one out only when the Minnesota vikings are playing. (come on ponder!)

So does all this trolling mean you support AE cheating in PC?

What does AE mean?

What does AE mean?

I need more wine. White wine. :[

*realizes the forum game is funner than the actual game*

I need more wine. White wine. :[

*realizes the forum game is funner than the actual game*

cuz CCP... they don't give a ****

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

There's two types of exploits:

A. Using a glitch that abuses the mechanics of the game, giving you the advantage against other players that you wouldn't have without it. In this example, it's being used in PC to win battles, and those battles might not have been won without that exploit. Another example is the invisible glitch. This is cheating.

B. Using a combination of items or tactics, giving you an unfair advantage over other players that was unforseen by the developers. Examples of this were the Tac AR, Caldari Logistics, Flaylock pistol, Contact grenades, Dropship Missiles, etc. Like previously mentioned, this is unfair, but not cheating, because players using them are only doing so because they are "the best".

Exploiting in a game is OK as long as you are not using it to:
A. Win, causing someone else to lose
B. Affect another player in a way that wasn't planned

It's perfectly fine though to do things that only help yourself and don't affect others, like the fast reload thing or the repair tool exploit. It only becomes a problem when you use those extra warpoints to drop 5 orbitals on the other team by yourself, and the DEVs might not like it either.

But say in a game like Borderlands or Pac Man where you're not playing competitively, feel free to do whatever you like.

Well im pretty sure using a LAV to run people over is glitch as well. mainly because even ccp has posted patch notes to the effect that they are changing it. so to continue to use it would fall under your definition of cheating?

Anything that give you an "Unfair" advantage, that is outside the parameters that the Developers intended, is CHEATING. ;

- Exploits
- Glitches
- Hacks
- Hardware / Software Modifications

They all are considered Cheats, and are a Bannable offence... well... in "most" games.

in and of itself exploits are not cheating, but they are cheap moves to use.
they don't do the exploiter any justice either, considering if and when an exploit is fixed, they lose that crutch, possibly effecting they're overall performance in a match. my corp frowns upon its members using exploits, we are out right told not to use them and if we discover one to immediately report it to CCP.

I think the only times an exploit would be cheating is, if both teams before a match agree not to use it, and if CCP were to tell us until its fixed not to use it.

other than that its just dirty tricks and cheap shots imho....

Really not trying to be a **** here I just see it so often I cannot continue without saying something....

It's spelled invisible...

Oh and interesting use of the word "Infamous" there...

its no secret

and i dont speel gud :P i have better things to pay attention to then red squaggly lines on my computer moniter.


red squiggly lines cant tell me what to do, they arnt the boss of me :P

I can see your point I guess but why not just use an auto correct program?

You have good idea's from time to time and people will tend to take you a bit more seriously the better you can articulate your point..

so the infamous invisable shotgunners wont cheating because nobody told them they wernt aloud to?

I have seen people get this glitch by pure accident... perhaps im just uninformed but im not aware of a way to accurately reproduce it... if its accidental then no it isn't cheating if its intentional then its certainly very cheap to use this, but as I said it doesn't do the exploiter any good, because once fixed they once again have to rely on skill, which they have not been practicing by using such an egregious glitch and therefore suffer from its use. its cheap and its dirty and it does nobody any good, but rising to the level of cheating, imho id say no.

you can say no all you want, that doesnt change the fact that its cheating

what exactly WOULD be cheating to you if not being invisable

im only giving my opinion, as are you, lets not forget that

cheating would be... imo... somehow altering the code of the game, bots for instance, or stealing someones account info and transferring all their isk to your account. game glitches/bugs/exploits are not fun and can be game breaking, but it is technically within the confines of the games mechanics, intentional or not... really CCP makes that call and changes it/ fixes it when needed.

glitches ARNT within the confines of game mechanics

they are using errors in code

aka altering the code of the game

recreating a glitch is literally a process of creating errors

well I can see your very passionate about this...

as I stated earlier im in a corp that frowns upon the use of exploits and reports them, I also don't use them.

I think they cheapen the game, I don't think it does anyone any good, including the exploiter...

I also don't think it qualifies as cheating, more akin to poor sportsmanship.

we agree on the fact that exploits are bad... we just don't agree on the terminology to classify them... and that's ok

see the problem is we have to look at everything equally

so the mele glitch is on par with the invisability glitch.

and the novaknife charge sprint, invisable swarms (rendering glitch), nanite injector invulnerability, stacking afterburners on a dropship. and everything else thats a "glitch"

would all have to be concidered exploits and cheating

with identical consequences


currently the consequences are non exsistant.

In fighting games, the use of all glitches is considered fair play, even if the glitch gives an overwhelming advantage. This is because fighting games move so fast that the use of glitches can't really be actively policed. Also because it's bred into the community mentality.

...

All-in-all, this creates a community perception that glitches are fine, and anyone who cries "exploit" is just acting like a little girl who doesn't have what it takes to win.

On the developer end, very few developers regularly update their fighting game. This has changed recently, but there is usually a cutoff point where people just have to deal with the game as it is. And they are not going to police a game, ever. So this reinforces the community perception that its OK.

...


It is most definitely a glitch, and it can most definitely be "exploited" to get the win. And it is used constantly in that fashion. Nobody really wants to lose their character because they violated the EULA, so there are rules outside of the games code that must be followed to an extent. Assuming, of course, CCP is actually willing to step in and do the job they are supposed to be doing.

If not, then it is entirely acceptable for us to exploit it back.

The ball is in your court on that one, CCP.

issues of semantics

you cant really redefine what a word means... thats what dictionaries are for

to you it seems its impossable to cheat in an online game outside of breaking the law.....

yes, at least half the things you mentioned as cheating are in fact felonies



so do you have a middle ground where theres a level of cheating that isnt crime?

issues of semantics

it seems unless I agree with you completely im wrong....I didn't try to redefine the word cheating... im adding my opinion to what I think constitutes cheating in dust... ive already given you my parameters on this, if I gave you 10 more examples you would give me 10 more reasons why im wrong... like I said you are entitled to your opinion, I respect it, I just disagree.

Let's see where semantics might come in:

cheating: act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination

exploit: use (a situation or person) in an unfair or selfish way

glitch: a sudden, usually temporary malfunction or irregularity of equipment

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Well im pretty sure using a LAV to run people over is glitch as well. mainly because even ccp has posted patch notes to the effect that they are changing it. so to continue to use it would fall under your definition of cheating?

Probably the dumbest thing you've ever posted Taste. I'm ashamed to know you're defending melee glitching in PC matches. Thought you better then that.

your actually correct


you will always be wrong because you cant actually have an opinion about the definition of a word...

thats why there are definitions in the first place... so they have a consistant meaning in order to convey complex ideas

hence why making up your own definitions tends to cause people to looka t you funny and tell you your wrong

lol disagreeing with me by agreeing with me... your troll parents raised a fine troll

I realize now you don't actually have an opinion, youre just trying to sustain yourself with troll tear jelly.

I now find you amusing... bravo!

i was saying yes, unless you compeltly agree with me then your wrong...

because thats how definitions work

i can say its my opinion that an orange is large, green and has a red center then walk around in topics about oranges with my new "opinions" on "oranges" everyone would look at me like im a complete idiot and try to tell me what an orange really is


thats whats happening here... it doesnt matter what your opinion on what an orange is because its a ******* orange not a watermelon so stop walking aroudn calling watermelons oranges and expecting people to respect your new definition

lol you are adorable... I like oranges

Can you stop your BS? You gave your 'opinion' and someone disagrees with it using a definition - so you call them a troll because of how he asserts it. Just move a long - you don't consider using not intended game mechanics cheating in PC. We got it.

didn't realize he needed a knight in shining armor... I was being civil, I stated my opinion and he turned into a troll... obviously because you agree with him you attack me... that's ok, ive seen how much trolling you do on these forums so youre just gonna have to deal with me. HTFU

That's cute - he may of been a troll but at least he kept logical. The BS I'm asking you to stop are one lined insults that are out of subject just to defend your opinion. Keep on subject or stfu. If you feel you're right then you don't need to respond to every little thing - regardless if he's using definitions and you just opinions.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

the beutiful thing about facts is, it doesnt matter if you dont agree with them... they are still true

Do you two wear each others underwear as well?

a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it.

e. A player renders himself invulnerable through the use of a bug.

c. Is aware of an exploitable bug and fails to report it to Game Masters and/or distributes the information to other players.

Are you still trying? I wasn't even trolling you - just telling you to get logical or stfu. Poor kids these days get offended so easily. I blame bad parenting - they're not willing to beat there kids.

I think it's not cheating. Most other PVP games - if someone gets a jump on you in CQC you are dead: melee, shotgun - does not matter. Seems fair that a guy should get his kills if he can close in onto players reliably for CQC.

No question, the mechanics are broken. However, if turbo controllers for TacAR were not a cheat, neither is this.

lol.. I don't have to try. the fact you feel the need to continue to respond to me tells me I have done, not tried.

Anywho - I got what I was looking for. Over 15 people agree this is indeed cheating - the minority say it's not but still a frown-able act.

It's clear AE is abusing mechanics and defend it without any logic whatsoever other then, "But intended game mechanics are cheap enough - so what's the problem with glitching?"

So there you go Kujo - you're cheating to win PC matches. Pure and simple.

Exactly.

Like the glitch on Line harvest where you can go inside the box at C. I see people (myself included) try to hide in that box to get some easy sneaky kills. That is cheating.

Fair point - but melee is a known 'glitch' the turbo controller was not considered a glitch. It was something that that special controller enabled.

Same logic works on you...

I would have to disagree

Double standard on yourself, eh? Because I see you continue to respond also...

TL;DR the thread

Is Alldin using his LLAV to rep himself all over the map a glitch? An exploit? Cheating?

Was the backpack reload in HALO: Combat Evolved a glitch? An exploit? Cheating? Some considered this a necessary skill to be used regularly by the 'pros'.

Probably the dumbest thing you've ever posted Taste. I'm ashamed to know you're defending melee glitching in PC matches. Thought you better then that.

Well forum troll I'm not sure you actually read my post cause I said nothing about defending anyone I was offering information
based on your logic if ccp considers something is bad for the game and decide to change it for example flaylocks, contact nades etc that these were not things ccp wants in the game. Using this logic we know there will be a change incoming to the lav so would that mean to continue to use it would be cheating?

I have never cared what others do I have been here since the very beginning and I understand that there is always something crazy going on and I choose the HTFU path. I don't come to the forums and cry my little heart out and accuse people of cheating- not my style Pop. However I also know you just want to stir the pot and this is your way of pulling people into your troll threads.

I'm glad you think this one post is dumb becasue you have thousands of posts I think are dumb- however I understand its your way of enjoying dust so I don't need to publicly judge you like you do others.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

How considerate - you just forgot one thing. The point of the thread was to ask people if they consider this cheating or not. your 'information' suggests using LAV's is cheating if melee glitching is - is that not an obvious defense of abusing mechanics in PC?

Frankly - every single AE has side stepped the question completely and brought up something else instead to move away from the fact your corp is cheating to win PC.

Do you - or do you not condone the use of melee glitching in PC?

Your making a supposition that is incorrect the real question is is melee glitching "cheating" and who makes that determination? You? if CCP determines its cheating then it most certainly should not be allowed. Have they made this statement anywhere?

Can everyone repeat this melee action? Except you the most unlikely moral police have deemed to call it cheating what happened to HTFU? if it bothers you so much skill into yourself.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

Now you're defending cheating in PC because CCP was dumb enough to allow in-seat repping? It's not like Aladin won matches for his side doing it - AE is with melee glitching.

Wait - you are Titus right? Lol I think I may have you confused with someone.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

There is no such thing as cheating in war, adapt or die.

As fun as it might be to absorb ourselves with the drama of the meta game, this isn't war, it's a game.

worst part is that it isnt a glitch... it was programmed that way on purpose

Right, and using that logic why are you so quick to get all morality about it? CHEATING is the huge buzzword in video games that people jump to when they want to convince others that something is 'bad' in the evil or wrong moral sense of the word.

It's a game. It has no analogues to real life morality and comparisons to such are stupid. Find a bug or an exploit, report it and move the **** on. Or make multiple threads about it on the forums I guess.

The intention of this thread is to discuss the nature of a particular glitch/exploit/cheat. How can it be reported if there shouldn't be a discussion on whether or not there is something to be reported?

Reread the title of the thread. If that isn't a statement about the morality of this glitch, then what is it? A question about whether or not to report it...? Really?

Are saying that you believe CCP still needs a report about the fact that this melee thing happens? Five threads in GD, 10 pages in this thread plus an unknown amount of emails sent to CCP isn't enough?

Far as I know invisible glitch isn't possible in PC - or no one has abused it.

Fair point - but melee is a known 'glitch' the turbo controller was not considered a glitch. It was something that that special controller enabled.

Come on if the guy gets that close to you he deserves the kill

Sure it's a glitch and TAR turbo was not a glitch but both were an exploit. But it's not even the core of my point. Getting up close into someone's face to do melee still brings a lot of risk. A good melee optimized player should be able to kill with melee. If someone uses precious high slots for stims, they deserve the ability to kill in CQC. It's actually sad that melee specialists are an oximoron unless they are glitching because of high things were designed by CCP.

All these thougths are completely apart from whether or not this is a violation of CCP policy and deserves a penalty. It seems to me that this glitch still requires a lot of skill if it's successfully used against strong oponents. And there are a lot of 'legitimate' crotches in the game that, on the other hand, require no skill to be good.