uh, sure. But this isn't much on my topic. Is glitching/exploiting in PC cheating?

In dust? it ain't cheating. its exploiting. which is a **** thing to do, but not cheating.

Takes skill to melee someone dood. If it was cheating every tom di ck and harry would be doing it. Honestly if your getting sucker punched you need to get good and stop crying because they would shotty you to death any way.

Explain how it's not cheating?

Because if exploiting is cheating.. then everyone would be cheating. CCP still can't code this game worth it's damn. from closed beta to now. can you count all the exploits? I can't. too many. and still new ones that are gonna pop up.

cheating makes it so there is no counter. exploits can still be evaded or countered. One gives you an edge. the other is close to game breaking in how you almost can go with out dying.

LAG SWITCH? cheating.

GET GOOD *RIPS OFF SHIRT*

Im sorry my amarrian brother. Lets pray this cheater gets the whipping he deserves.

glitches are glitches. exploiting is where there is a know way to do glitch and it not normal part of game play. say you get infinte ammo by cycling guns while jumping, that would be exploitative to use and therefor cheating till said glitch is fixed. the rendering glitch is not something that is based off of the user but on background processes in game and therefor not exploited if used as there is no way to force this glitch to happen.
LAG switches.. totally exploiting, melee glitch is exploiting.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

You tube was always the source for exploiting and glitching and flat out cheating. kids couldn't help but post their **** there. lol


anyway, last time I checked PC was objective battles. Is it really the exploit thats giving them an edge to win, or them winning cause of exploit? The army with the higher ground holds an edge in the battle field. also the army with the most archers. or the one guy in the army carrying a gun to sword battle.

They all give an edge, but don't guarantee a win.

It comes down to two things. Community perception, and developer perception.

In fighting games, the use of all glitches is considered fair play, even if the glitch gives an overwhelming advantage. This is because fighting games move so fast that the use of glitches can't really be actively policed. Also because it's bred into the community mentality. When you go into an arcade and put your quarter in and someone uses a bunch of glitches to beat you, what are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing, that's what. the game doesn't care, your quarter is gone. The guy running the arcade likely doesn't give a **** either, to him the game is the game.

The only exceptions to this are absolutely game-breaking glitches that stall the match out, and even then, it's up for debate depending on the tournament organizer.

All-in-all, this creates a community perception that glitches are fine, and anyone who cries "exploit" is just acting like a little girl who doesn't have what it takes to win.

On the developer end, very few developers regularly update their fighting game. This has changed recently, but there is usually a cutoff point where people just have to deal with the game as it is. And they are not going to police a game, ever. So this reinforces the community perception that its OK.



In FPS games, we do not come from an arcade background. This gives us license to ***** and complain like 12 year old girls a lot more. We also have had the liberty of player-run servers for a long time and the ability to kick individuals who **** us off by doing **** we feel degrades the competitive experience. This has created a community perception that glitches are exploits, and should be dealt with because it is in our power to do so.

On the developer end of the spectrum, the game is classified as an MMO so it is going to get constant attention from the developers. They make it a point to police the game to an extent, and it is expected that they do so in exchange for the business many of us bring them. There are constantly new bugs and glitches cropping up in every update, so its unavoidable that some are used even if its accidental. The severity of the use is what is open to interpretation.

It is most definitely a glitch, and it can most definitely be "exploited" to get the win. And it is used constantly in that fashion. Nobody really wants to lose their character because they violated the EULA, so there are rules outside of the games code that must be followed to an extent. Assuming, of course, CCP is actually willing to step in and do the job they are supposed to be doing.

If not, then it is entirely acceptable for us to exploit it back.

The ball is in your court on that one, CCP.

Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.

So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.

A baseball player takes roids and gets homerun record its only cheating if he gets caught..perfomance enhancing drugs are banned yet people still take them and don't get caught..would I do it? Hell yeah the best athletes do it so you have to aswell to compete

Would MD's not be an effective counter?

So do you believe the use of exploits/glitches is considered cheating or not? Do you condone like AE the use of such exploitations in PC?

Since AE got caught and there's even a video of it on the war room - does that mean you agree AE is cheating?

Are you saying objectives are on the high ground? Because melee glitch pretty much can insta stop all hacks - even more so if you make a suit centered around the glitch itself with increased speed.

Since AE got caught and there's even a video of it on the war room - does that mean you agree AE is cheating?

Takes skill to melee someone dood. If it was cheating every tom di ck and harry would be doing it. Honestly if your getting sucker punched you need to get good and stop crying because they would shotty you to death any way.

Are you saying everyone should use an MD? lol

I believe I asked if the MD was an effective counter. As I believe it would be. hint hint.

Wait - it's CCP's fault YOU guys exploit? It's a choice - you chose to cheat. How is it any simpler then that? I understand peoples want to troll pubs - but it's PC. It's suppose to be competitive matches between two teams skill. AE has been degrading to whoever exploits best.