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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 05:27:00 -
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see the problem is we have to look at everything equally
so the mele glitch is on par with the invisability glitch.
and the novaknife charge sprint, invisable swarms (rendering glitch), nanite injector invulnerability, stacking afterburners on a dropship. and everything else thats a "glitch"
would all have to be concidered exploits and cheating
with identical consequences
currently the consequences are non exsistant. |
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Posted - 2013.08.25 05:37:00 -
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a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended
an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage
learn the definitions in this context people
and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage... |
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Posted - 2013.08.25 05:40:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended
an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage
learn the definitions in this context people
and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage... Thanks for the clarification. 
and so a glitch isnt cheating, it wasnt done on purpose and it wasnt done for an advantage
an exploit however was done expressly to cheat |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 05:56:00 -
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the melee animation clipping is a glitch
its caused by clipping the animation of the melee attack
so it is unintended gameplay
when re-created and used agressivly its an exploit of a glitch
useing a glitch to gain an unfair advantage.
its simple, it cant even be dabated.
its an exploit plain and simple, if it wasnt then this is how melee would have been coded in the first place, wich it isnt.
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 06:24:00 -
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ladwar wrote:glitches are glitches. exploiting is where there is a know way to do glitch and it not normal part of game play. say you get infinte ammo by cycling guns while jumping, that would be exploitative to use and therefor cheating till said glitch is fixed. the rendering glitch is not something that is based off of the user but on background processes in game and therefor not exploited if used as there is no way to force this glitch to happen.
LAG switches.. totally exploiting, melee glitch is exploiting.
there IS a way to force the rendering glitch
;)
a few very very effective ways to do it
you just have to understand x/y/z fighting and do some testing with friends to get to know the ranges and positions
aka if you put in an hour of work you can render yourself nearly permanantly invisable at range. |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:47:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Well im pretty sure using a LAV to run people over is glitch as well. mainly because even ccp has posted patch notes to the effect that they are changing it. so to continue to use it would fall under your definition of cheating?
explaoiting a game mechanic isnt quite the same as exploiting a glitch
it isnt a glitch that LAVs can run people over, it was purposly coded that way
its a glitch that you can melee 10x int he span of a regular melee by clipping the animation because it was codded specifically NOT to alow you to melee 10x a second
exploiting mechanics would be LAV murder taxi, MCC AFK farming,
exploiting glitches would be invisablke shotgunner, melee
ones cheating, the other just isnt fair play
war isnt fair so you cant blame people for exploiting mechanics
but we CAN blame people for exploiting glitches in the code
as everyone did when the infamous invisable shotgunners were running around |
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:49:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Anything that give you an "Unfair" advantage, that is outside the parameters that the Developers intended, is CHEATING. ; - Exploits - Glitches - Hacks - Hardware / Software Modifications They all are considered Cheats, and are a Bannable offence... well... in "most" games. 
glitches are things that happen unintentionally, and therefore arnt cheating
exploits are when somone uses a glitch or mechanic to gain an unfair advantage and ARE cheating.
its all about intent
if you intended to cause the glitch then your cheating, if it happens accidently and you cant replicate it, then how the hell are you using it to your advantage? |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 11:51:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.
So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right. in and of itself exploits are not cheating, but they are cheap moves to use. they don't do the exploiter any justice either, considering if and when an exploit is fixed, they lose that crutch, possibly effecting they're overall performance in a match. my corp frowns upon its members using exploits, we are out right told not to use them and if we discover one to immediately report it to CCP. I think the only times an exploit would be cheating is, if both teams before a match agree not to use it, and if CCP were to tell us until its fixed not to use it. other than that its just dirty tricks and cheap shots imho....
so the infamous invisable shotgunners wont cheating because nobody told them they wernt aloud to? |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 12:07:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Really not trying to be a **** here I just see it so often I cannot continue without saying something.... It's spelled invisible... Oh and interesting use of the word "Infamous" there... 
its no secret
and i dont speel gud :P i have better things to pay attention to then red squaggly lines on my computer moniter.
red squiggly lines cant tell me what to do, they arnt the boss of me :P |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 12:40:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:Really not trying to be a **** here I just see it so often I cannot continue without saying something.... It's spelled invisible... Oh and interesting use of the word "Infamous" there... its no secret and i dont speel gud :P i have better things to pay attention to then red squaggly lines on my computer moniter. red squiggly lines cant tell me what to do, they arnt the boss of me :P I can see your point I guess but why not just use an auto correct program? You have good idea's from time to time and people will tend to take you a bit more seriously the better you can articulate your point..
articulating my point is quite possably the one thing in this world i cant do.
the people who want to talk and listen, and debate, question things, and have good conversations always do.
everyone else wasnt going to no matter how things are written |
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 12:57:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.
So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right. in and of itself exploits are not cheating, but they are cheap moves to use. they don't do the exploiter any justice either, considering if and when an exploit is fixed, they lose that crutch, possibly effecting they're overall performance in a match. my corp frowns upon its members using exploits, we are out right told not to use them and if we discover one to immediately report it to CCP. I think the only times an exploit would be cheating is, if both teams before a match agree not to use it, and if CCP were to tell us until its fixed not to use it. other than that its just dirty tricks and cheap shots imho.... so the infamous invisable shotgunners wont cheating because nobody told them they wernt aloud to? I have seen people get this glitch by pure accident... perhaps im just uninformed but im not aware of a way to accurately reproduce it... if its accidental then no it isn't cheating if its intentional then its certainly very cheap to use this, but as I said it doesn't do the exploiter any good, because once fixed they once again have to rely on skill, which they have not been practicing by using such an egregious glitch and therefore suffer from its use. its cheap and its dirty and it does nobody any good, but rising to the level of cheating, imho id say no.
you can say no all you want, that doesnt change the fact that its cheating
what exactly WOULD be cheating to you if not being invisable |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:15:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:im only giving my opinion, as are you, lets not forget that cheating would be... imo... somehow altering the code of the game, bots for instance, or stealing someones account info and transferring all their isk to your account. game glitches/bugs/exploits are not fun and can be game breaking, but it is technically within the confines of the games mechanics, intentional or not... really CCP makes that call and changes it/ fixes it when needed.
glitches ARNT within the confines of game mechanics
they are using errors in code
aka altering the code of the game
recreating a glitch is literally a process of creating errors |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:31:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:im only giving my opinion, as are you, lets not forget that cheating would be... imo... somehow altering the code of the game, bots for instance, or stealing someones account info and transferring all their isk to your account. game glitches/bugs/exploits are not fun and can be game breaking, but it is technically within the confines of the games mechanics, intentional or not... really CCP makes that call and changes it/ fixes it when needed. glitches ARNT within the confines of game mechanics they are using errors in code aka altering the code of the game recreating a glitch is literally a process of creating errors well I can see your very passionate about this... as I stated earlier im in a corp that frowns upon the use of exploits and reports them, I also don't use them. I think they cheapen the game, I don't think it does anyone any good, including the exploiter... I also don't think it qualifies as cheating, more akin to poor sportsmanship. we agree on the fact that exploits are bad... we just don't agree on the terminology to classify them... and that's ok
you cant really redefine what a word means... thats what dictionaries are for
to you it seems its impossable to cheat in an online game outside of breaking the law.....
yes, at least half the things you mentioned as cheating are in fact felonies
so do you have a middle ground where theres a level of cheating that isnt crime? |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:04:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:issues of semantics
no its not
its an issue of people not having the common sence to look words up in a dictionary to define their meaning and instead they keep making their own up
then they argue about their own imaginary definitions as if theirs is the correct one when really they are arguing different topics entirely because nobodys using the actual meanings of the words
i blame poor education |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:10:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:im only giving my opinion, as are you, lets not forget that cheating would be... imo... somehow altering the code of the game, bots for instance, or stealing someones account info and transferring all their isk to your account. game glitches/bugs/exploits are not fun and can be game breaking, but it is technically within the confines of the games mechanics, intentional or not... really CCP makes that call and changes it/ fixes it when needed. glitches ARNT within the confines of game mechanics they are using errors in code aka altering the code of the game recreating a glitch is literally a process of creating errors well I can see your very passionate about this... as I stated earlier im in a corp that frowns upon the use of exploits and reports them, I also don't use them. I think they cheapen the game, I don't think it does anyone any good, including the exploiter... I also don't think it qualifies as cheating, more akin to poor sportsmanship. we agree on the fact that exploits are bad... we just don't agree on the terminology to classify them... and that's ok you cant really redefine what a word means... thats what dictionaries are for to you it seems its impossable to cheat in an online game outside of breaking the law..... yes, at least half the things you mentioned as cheating are in fact felonies so do you have a middle ground where theres a level of cheating that isnt crime? it seems unless I agree with you completely im wrong....I didn't try to redefine the word cheating... im adding my opinion to what I think constitutes cheating in dust... ive already given you my parameters on this, if I gave you 10 more examples you would give me 10 more reasons why im wrong... like I said you are entitled to your opinion, I respect it, I just disagree.
your actually correct
you will always be wrong because you cant actually have an opinion about the definition of a word...
thats why there are definitions in the first place... so they have a consistant meaning in order to convey complex ideas
hence why making up your own definitions tends to cause people to looka t you funny and tell you your wrong |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:14:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:shaman oga wrote:issues of semantics
Let's see where semantics might come in: cheating: act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination exploit: use (a situation or person) in an unfair or selfish way glitch: a sudden, usually temporary malfunction or irregularity of equipment Seems pretty straight forward to me.
thank god your here
so lets put this to rest
an exploit in this circumstance is the use of a a sudden, usually temporary malfunction or irregularity of equipment used in an unfair or selfish way to unfairly in order to gain an advantage
thats cheating in this context...
so the question isnt weather melee glitch is cheating but weather that ******* sentance describes the mele glitch
wich it does
and so BY DEFINITION its cheating |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:28:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Well im pretty sure using a LAV to run people over is glitch as well. mainly because even ccp has posted patch notes to the effect that they are changing it. so to continue to use it would fall under your definition of cheating? Probably the dumbest thing you've ever posted Taste. I'm ashamed to know you're defending melee glitching in PC matches. Thought you better then that. 
worst part is that it isnt a glitch... it was programmed that way on purpose |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:37:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:lol disagreeing with me by agreeing with me... your troll parents raised a fine troll  I realize now you don't actually have an opinion, youre just trying to sustain yourself with troll tear jelly. I now find you amusing... bravo!
i was saying yes, unless you compeltly agree with me then your wrong...
because thats how definitions work
i can say its my opinion that an orange is large, green and has a red center then walk around in topics about oranges with my new "opinions" on "oranges" everyone would look at me like im a complete idiot and try to tell me what an orange really is
thats whats happening here... it doesnt matter what your opinion on what an orange is because its a ******* orange not a watermelon so stop walking aroudn calling watermelons oranges and expecting people to respect your new definition |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:09:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:
That's cute - he may of been a troll but at least he kept logical. The BS I'm asking you to stop are one lined insults that are out of subject just to defend your opinion. Keep on subject or stfu. If you feel you're right then you don't need to respond to every little thing - regardless if he's using definitions and you just opinions.
the beutiful thing about facts is, it doesnt matter if you dont agree with them... they are still true |
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