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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
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Posted - 2013.08.25 08:03:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.
So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.
in and of itself exploits are not cheating, but they are cheap moves to use.
they don't do the exploiter any justice either, considering if and when an exploit is fixed, they lose that crutch, possibly effecting they're overall performance in a match. my corp frowns upon its members using exploits, we are out right told not to use them and if we discover one to immediately report it to CCP.
I think the only times an exploit would be cheating is, if both teams before a match agree not to use it, and if CCP were to tell us until its fixed not to use it.
other than that its just dirty tricks and cheap shots imho....
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.25 12:55:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.
So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right. in and of itself exploits are not cheating, but they are cheap moves to use. they don't do the exploiter any justice either, considering if and when an exploit is fixed, they lose that crutch, possibly effecting they're overall performance in a match. my corp frowns upon its members using exploits, we are out right told not to use them and if we discover one to immediately report it to CCP. I think the only times an exploit would be cheating is, if both teams before a match agree not to use it, and if CCP were to tell us until its fixed not to use it. other than that its just dirty tricks and cheap shots imho.... so the infamous invisable shotgunners wont cheating because nobody told them they wernt aloud to?
I have seen people get this glitch by pure accident... perhaps im just uninformed but im not aware of a way to accurately reproduce it... if its accidental then no it isn't cheating if its intentional then its certainly very cheap to use this, but as I said it doesn't do the exploiter any good, because once fixed they once again have to rely on skill, which they have not been practicing by using such an egregious glitch and therefore suffer from its use. its cheap and its dirty and it does nobody any good, but rising to the level of cheating, imho id say no. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
614
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:10:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable.
So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right. in and of itself exploits are not cheating, but they are cheap moves to use. they don't do the exploiter any justice either, considering if and when an exploit is fixed, they lose that crutch, possibly effecting they're overall performance in a match. my corp frowns upon its members using exploits, we are out right told not to use them and if we discover one to immediately report it to CCP. I think the only times an exploit would be cheating is, if both teams before a match agree not to use it, and if CCP were to tell us until its fixed not to use it. other than that its just dirty tricks and cheap shots imho.... so the infamous invisable shotgunners wont cheating because nobody told them they wernt aloud to? I have seen people get this glitch by pure accident... perhaps im just uninformed but im not aware of a way to accurately reproduce it... if its accidental then no it isn't cheating if its intentional then its certainly very cheap to use this, but as I said it doesn't do the exploiter any good, because once fixed they once again have to rely on skill, which they have not been practicing by using such an egregious glitch and therefore suffer from its use. its cheap and its dirty and it does nobody any good, but rising to the level of cheating, imho id say no. you can say no all you want, that doesnt change the fact that its cheating what exactly WOULD be cheating to you if not being invisable
im only giving my opinion, as are you, lets not forget that
cheating would be... imo... somehow altering the code of the game, bots for instance, or stealing someones account info and transferring all their isk to your account. game glitches/bugs/exploits are not fun and can be game breaking, but it is technically within the confines of the games mechanics, intentional or not... really CCP makes that call and changes it/ fixes it when needed. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:22:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:im only giving my opinion, as are you, lets not forget that cheating would be... imo... somehow altering the code of the game, bots for instance, or stealing someones account info and transferring all their isk to your account. game glitches/bugs/exploits are not fun and can be game breaking, but it is technically within the confines of the games mechanics, intentional or not... really CCP makes that call and changes it/ fixes it when needed. glitches ARNT within the confines of game mechanics they are using errors in code aka altering the code of the game recreating a glitch is literally a process of creating errors
well I can see your very passionate about this...
as I stated earlier im in a corp that frowns upon the use of exploits and reports them, I also don't use them.
I think they cheapen the game, I don't think it does anyone any good, including the exploiter...
I also don't think it qualifies as cheating, more akin to poor sportsmanship.
we agree on the fact that exploits are bad... we just don't agree on the terminology to classify them... and that's ok |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:07:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:im only giving my opinion, as are you, lets not forget that cheating would be... imo... somehow altering the code of the game, bots for instance, or stealing someones account info and transferring all their isk to your account. game glitches/bugs/exploits are not fun and can be game breaking, but it is technically within the confines of the games mechanics, intentional or not... really CCP makes that call and changes it/ fixes it when needed. glitches ARNT within the confines of game mechanics they are using errors in code aka altering the code of the game recreating a glitch is literally a process of creating errors well I can see your very passionate about this... as I stated earlier im in a corp that frowns upon the use of exploits and reports them, I also don't use them. I think they cheapen the game, I don't think it does anyone any good, including the exploiter... I also don't think it qualifies as cheating, more akin to poor sportsmanship. we agree on the fact that exploits are bad... we just don't agree on the terminology to classify them... and that's ok you cant really redefine what a word means... thats what dictionaries are for to you it seems its impossable to cheat in an online game outside of breaking the law..... yes, at least half the things you mentioned as cheating are in fact felonies so do you have a middle ground where theres a level of cheating that isnt crime?
it seems unless I agree with you completely im wrong....I didn't try to redefine the word cheating... im adding my opinion to what I think constitutes cheating in dust... ive already given you my parameters on this, if I gave you 10 more examples you would give me 10 more reasons why im wrong... like I said you are entitled to your opinion, I respect it, I just disagree.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:32:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:[quote=Seymor Krelborn] well I can see your very passionate about this... as I stated earlier im in a corp that frowns upon the use of exploits and reports them, I also don't use them. I think they cheapen the game, I don't think it does anyone any good, including the exploiter... I also don't think it qualifies as cheating, more akin to poor sportsmanship. we agree on the fact that exploits are bad... we just don't agree on the terminology to classify them... and that's ok you cant really redefine what a word means... thats what dictionaries are for to you it seems its impossable to cheat in an online game outside of breaking the law..... yes, at least half the things you mentioned as cheating are in fact felonies so do you have a middle ground where theres a level of cheating that isnt crime? it seems unless I agree with you completely im wrong....I didn't try to redefine the word cheating... im adding my opinion to what I think constitutes cheating in dust... ive already given you my parameters on this, if I gave you 10 more examples you would give me 10 more reasons why im wrong... like I said you are entitled to your opinion, I respect it, I just disagree. your actually correct you will always be wrong because you cant actually have an opinion about the definition of a word... thats why there are definitions in the first place... so they have a consistant meaning in order to convey complex ideas hence why making up your own definitions tends to cause people to looka t you funny and tell you your wrong
lol disagreeing with me by agreeing with me... your troll parents raised a fine troll
I realize now you don't actually have an opinion, youre just trying to sustain yourself with troll tear jelly.
I now find you amusing... bravo! |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:41:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:lol disagreeing with me by agreeing with me... your troll parents raised a fine troll I realize now you don't actually have an opinion, youre just trying to sustain yourself with troll tear jelly. I now find you amusing... bravo! i was saying yes, unless you compeltly agree with me then your wrong... because thats how definitions work i can say its my opinion that an orange is large, green and has a red center then walk around in topics about oranges with my new "opinions" on "oranges" everyone would look at me like im a complete idiot and try to tell me what an orange really is thats whats happening here... it doesnt matter what your opinion on what an orange is because its a ******* orange not a watermelon so stop walking aroudn calling watermelons oranges and expecting people to respect your new definition
lol you are adorable... I like oranges |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:49:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:lol disagreeing with me by agreeing with me... your troll parents raised a fine troll I realize now you don't actually have an opinion, youre just trying to sustain yourself with troll tear jelly. I now find you amusing... bravo! i was saying yes, unless you compeltly agree with me then your wrong... because thats how definitions work i can say its my opinion that an orange is large, green and has a red center then walk around in topics about oranges with my new "opinions" on "oranges" everyone would look at me like im a complete idiot and try to tell me what an orange really is thats whats happening here... it doesnt matter what your opinion on what an orange is because its a ******* orange not a watermelon so stop walking aroudn calling watermelons oranges and expecting people to respect your new definition lol you are adorable... I like oranges Can you stop your BS? You gave your 'opinion' and someone disagrees with it using a definition - so you call them a troll because of how he asserts it. Just move a long - you don't consider using not intended game mechanics cheating in PC. We got it.
didn't realize he needed a knight in shining armor... I was being civil, I stated my opinion and he turned into a troll... obviously because you agree with him you attack me... that's ok, ive seen how much trolling you do on these forums so youre just gonna have to deal with me. HTFU |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:33:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:
That's cute - he may of been a troll but at least he kept logical. The BS I'm asking you to stop are one lined insults that are out of subject just to defend your opinion. Keep on subject or stfu. If you feel you're right then you don't need to respond to every little thing - regardless if he's using definitions and you just opinions.
the beutiful thing about facts is, it doesnt matter if you dont agree with them... they are still true
Do you two wear each others underwear as well? |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
615
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:05:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:
That's cute - he may of been a troll but at least he kept logical. The BS I'm asking you to stop are one lined insults that are out of subject just to defend your opinion. Keep on subject or stfu. If you feel you're right then you don't need to respond to every little thing - regardless if he's using definitions and you just opinions.
the beutiful thing about facts is, it doesnt matter if you dont agree with them... they are still true Do you two wear each others underwear as well? Are you still trying? I wasn't even trolling you - just telling you to get logical or stfu. Poor kids these days get offended so easily. I blame bad parenting - they're not willing to beat there kids.
lol.. I don't have to try. the fact you feel the need to continue to respond to me tells me I have done, not tried. |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
615
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:11:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:
the beutiful thing about facts is, it doesnt matter if you dont agree with them... they are still true
Do you two wear each others underwear as well? Are you still trying? I wasn't even trolling you - just telling you to get logical or stfu. Poor kids these days get offended so easily. I blame bad parenting - they're not willing to beat there kids. lol.. I don't have to try. the fact you feel the need to continue to respond to me tells me I have done, not tried. Same logic works on you...
I would have to disagree |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
616
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:23:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:I would have to disagree Double standard on yourself, eh? Because I see you continue to respond also...
its because im lonely and have no real personal connections with anyone, and this relationship you and I have begun is something I really need in my life. |
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