DUST Search - I'm curious about glitching/exploting being called 'cheating'

SoTah Pawp wrote:

hooc order wrote:

SoTah Pawp wrote:

Just to clarify on hooc's post:

DJINN Kujo wrote:

This is simply an 'exploit', it's an in game mechanic that you utilize a repetition of the same actions to get the exact response out of it. So in turn it's an exploit, not a glitch. Just being honest. :)

AE's CEO has already called this an exploit.

And it's true there's many exploits - but how many of them are used in PC?

It seems AE is clearly cheating and won't admit to it.

AE does not get to choose if it is an exploit or not. CCP does.

We know for a fact that CCP does now know what they are doing. A reasonable person might see it and think. "Oh yeah CCP screwed up or did not think about it." But how does anyone know they did not think about or that they did screw up. For all we know they thought. "yeah we want super fast melee attacks and we do it by using sprint to clear the attack"

For all we know it is working as CCP intended.

Then why are there shotguns? Ugh

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SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:14:00 - [1] - Quote Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable. So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right.
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 655	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:15:00 - [2] - Quote It's not a foul unless the referee calls it.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2940	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:17:00 - [3] - Quote I'd say yes, but the game encourages doing anything to win, so... ... Iunno.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 545	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:19:00 - [4] - Quote Yes, yes it is cheating lol, it's shouldn't happen or exist, besides, if people need to glitch and exploit then it shows how good they are really
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 539	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:26:00 - [5] - Quote Come on if the guy gets that close to you he deserves the kill
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 488	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:27:00 - [6] - Quote see the problem is we have to look at everything equally so the mele glitch is on par with the invisability glitch. and the novaknife charge sprint, invisable swarms (rendering glitch), nanite injector invulnerability, stacking afterburners on a dropship. and everything else thats a "glitch" would all have to be concidered exploits and cheating with identical consequences currently the consequences are non exsistant.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 892	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:28:00 - [7] - Quote Glitching and/or using an exploit is cheating. But i do not think the debate over sprint-melee-clearing being a glitch/exploit is resolved. My personal opinion is i am leaning toward it being an exploit...all be it a pretty small one. You have to do some fairly complicated stuff at the exact right time to get it to work and it is not as if a person speced out and geared out for melee is not going to do a crap load of damage anyway.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:28:00 - [8] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Come on if the guy gets that close to you he deserves the kill Explain? Far as I know it's called CQC for a reason - you get close. And with shield tanking + speed mods with hit detection it shouldn't be hard at all to get close.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:33:00 - [9] - Quote Just to clarify on hooc's post: DJINN Kujo wrote: This is simply an 'exploit', it's an in game mechanic that you utilize a repetition of the same actions to get the exact response out of it. So in turn it's an exploit, not a glitch. Just being honest. :) AE's CEO has already called this an exploit. And it's true there's many exploits - but how many of them are used in PC? It seems AE is clearly cheating and won't admit to it.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1119	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:33:00 - [10] - Quote I know it's like if your getting meleed to death its like what scrubbery is occurring if you let someone get that close to you? The best part the qq crowd has to say is "well when they sneak up on a heavy it is an insta gank!" The words are funny coming from an assault player crying about the glitch. GOTTA GET GOOD PEEPS!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 540	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:35:00 - [11] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Come on if the guy gets that close to you he deserves the kill Explain? Far as I know it's called CQC for a reason - you get close. And with shield tanking + speed mods with hit detection it shouldn't be hard at all to get close. The thing is its just not as game breaking as the invisible glitch you candidate survive if you spot him first.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:35:00 - [12] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: I know it's like if your getting meleed to death its like what scrubbery is occurring if you let someone get that close to you? The best part the qq crowd has to say is "well when they sneak up on a heavy it is an insta gank!" The words are funny coming from an assault player crying about the glitch. GOTTA GET GOOD PEEPS! I'm trying to understand this logic. So, Close Quarter Combat... isn't close? There's no corners in city? There's no way possible to get up on someone? Even if they shield tank with speed mods?
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 683	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:35:00 - [13] - Quote Cheating. I'm not saying she's a bad player, but really? You have to use glitches to be able to rack up kills. It doesn't really say anything good about you. If it can't be stopped then who cares?. IMO it's cheating. But is she gonna stop because I think it's wrong. No. CCP will just have to fix it. Until then, she will cheat her way to the top. It's funny to see people justify it though.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 488	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:37:00 - [14] - Quote a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage learn the definitions in this context people and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage...
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:37:00 - [15] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Come on if the guy gets that close to you he deserves the kill Explain? Far as I know it's called CQC for a reason - you get close. And with shield tanking + speed mods with hit detection it shouldn't be hard at all to get close. The thing is its just not as game breaking as the invisible glitch you candidate survive if you spot him first. Far as I know invisible glitch isn't possible in PC - or no one has abused it. AE is clearing abusing an exploit. Is that not cheating? That's all I'm asking.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:39:00 - [16] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage learn the definitions in this context people and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage... Thanks for the clarification.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1803	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:39:00 - [17] - Quote I personally think its cheating but it will be treated the same way they treat afk.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 491	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:40:00 - [18] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage learn the definitions in this context people and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage... Thanks for the clarification. and so a glitch isnt cheating, it wasnt done on purpose and it wasnt done for an advantage an exploit however was done expressly to cheat
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 892	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:41:00 - [19] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Just to clarify on hooc's post: DJINN Kujo wrote: This is simply an 'exploit', it's an in game mechanic that you utilize a repetition of the same actions to get the exact response out of it. So in turn it's an exploit, not a glitch. Just being honest. :) AE's CEO has already called this an exploit. And it's true there's many exploits - but how many of them are used in PC? It seems AE is clearly cheating and won't admit to it. AE does not get to choose if it is an exploit or not. CCP does. We know for a fact that CCP does now know what they are doing. A reasonable person might see it and think. "Oh yeah CCP screwed up or did not think about it." But how does anyone know they did not think about or that they did screw up. For all we know they thought. "yeah we want super fast melee attacks and we do it by using sprint to clear the attack" For all we know it is working as CCP intended.
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 683	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:41:00 - [20] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage learn the definitions in this context people and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage... Truth. Do you really think they intended for the melee to used and abused in that way? CCP-"Yeah guys let's make it so that you can continually melee people to death in a rapid succession. **** guns! Let's settle this with the butt of our guns and our elbows"
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:42:00 - [21] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage learn the definitions in this context people and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage... Thanks for the clarification. and so a glitch isnt cheating, it wasnt done on purpose and it wasnt done for an advantage an exploit however was done expressly to cheat Thanks again - Kujo has already admitted this is an exploit he's allowing to happen to help win PC matches and doesn't believe it to be cheating.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:43:00 - [22] - Quote hooc order wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Just to clarify on hooc's post: DJINN Kujo wrote: This is simply an 'exploit', it's an in game mechanic that you utilize a repetition of the same actions to get the exact response out of it. So in turn it's an exploit, not a glitch. Just being honest. :) AE's CEO has already called this an exploit. And it's true there's many exploits - but how many of them are used in PC? It seems AE is clearly cheating and won't admit to it. AE does not get to choose if it is an exploit or not. CCP does. We know for a fact that CCP does now know what they are doing. A reasonable person might see it and think. "Oh yeah CCP screwed up or did not think about it." But how does anyone know they did not think about or that they did screw up. For all we know they thought. "yeah we want super fast melee attacks and we do it by using sprint to clear the attack" For all we know it is working as CCP intended. Then why are there shotguns?
Skipper Jones Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 683	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:46:00 - [23] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: a glitch is something that happens in the code that produces a result that wazsnt intended an exploit is when someone takes a glitch and recreates it to gain an advantage learn the definitions in this context people and exploit IS a glitch, its just what you call a glitch thats being used to gain an advantage... Thanks for the clarification. and so a glitch isnt cheating, it wasnt done on purpose and it wasnt done for an advantage an exploit however was done expressly to cheat Exactly. Like the glitch on Line harvest where you can go inside the box at C. I see people (myself included) try to hide in that box to get some easy sneaky kills. That is cheating.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 860	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:51:00 - [24] - Quote FPS has it's shares of glitches and exploit abusers, always has. (and just flat out cheaters) But coming out to use any of these on some FPS games well.... Haha. you think hate mail in this game is the worse you will get? Some people take competitive FPS a little too serious Yeah. Tho they are the ones that smear the game more then the cheaters. Anyway, this has been going on since beta. nothing new. K/D doesn't matter here. So all the crazy stuff that leaks in RL in other FPS games doesn't happen here.
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:52:00 - [25] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: FPS has it's shares of glitches and exploit abusers, always has. (and just flat out cheaters) But coming out to use any of these on some FPS games well.... Haha. you think hate mail in this game is the worse you will get? Some people take competitive FPS a little too serious Yeah. Tho they are the ones that smear the game more then the cheaters. Anyway, this has been going on since beta. nothing new. K/D doesn't matter here. So all the crazy stuff that leaks in RL in other FPS games doesn't happen here. uh, sure. But this isn't much on my topic. Is glitching/exploiting in PC cheating?
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 546	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:53:00 - [26] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: FPS has it's shares of glitches and exploit abusers, always has. (and just flat out cheaters) But coming out to use any of these on some FPS games well.... Haha. you think hate mail in this game is the worse you will get? Some people take competitive FPS a little too serious Yeah. Tho they are the ones that smear the game more then the cheaters. Anyway, this has been going on since beta. nothing new. K/D doesn't matter here. So all the crazy stuff that leaks in RL in other FPS games doesn't happen here. Ya hear about the guy who killed a child over a game in CoD?
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 493	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:56:00 - [27] - Quote the melee animation clipping is a glitch its caused by clipping the animation of the melee attack so it is unintended gameplay when re-created and used agressivly its an exploit of a glitch useing a glitch to gain an unfair advantage. its simple, it cant even be dabated. its an exploit plain and simple, if it wasnt then this is how melee would have been coded in the first place, wich it isnt.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 892	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:56:00 - [28] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: hooc order wrote: SoTah Pawp wrote: Just to clarify on hooc's post: DJINN Kujo wrote: This is simply an 'exploit', it's an in game mechanic that you utilize a repetition of the same actions to get the exact response out of it. So in turn it's an exploit, not a glitch. Just being honest. :) AE's CEO has already called this an exploit. And it's true there's many exploits - but how many of them are used in PC? It seems AE is clearly cheating and won't admit to it. AE does not get to choose if it is an exploit or not. CCP does. We know for a fact that CCP does now know what they are doing. A reasonable person might see it and think. "Oh yeah CCP screwed up or did not think about it." But how does anyone know they did not think about or that they did screw up. For all we know they thought. "yeah we want super fast melee attacks and we do it by using sprint to clear the attack" For all we know it is working as CCP intended. Then why are there shotguns? I said it is possible that CCP is ****** on this one....that would make them ****** about shot guns as well. Anyway i do not want to get to far off the path. My personal opinion is that this is an unintended glitch and people who use it are exploiting a glitch and are therefor cheating. I am only saying above that i do not know for a fact that my opinion is correct.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 150	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:57:00 - [29] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Lately I've been getting into it with Kujo because one of his members goes 20+ using the melee exploit. I argue this is cheating as it's a not intended feature used to win PC matches. He claims Exploiting is not cheating therefor, acceptable. So I'm at a loss since we can't come to a conclusion. So I'm asking General Discussion. Is exploiting/glitching in PC considered cheating? I just want to finally lay this topic to rest and know more clearly which of us is right. Well we would have won in the tourny if it had not been that melee glitch.... So many hacks that could have gone off. but that exploit just stopped it all.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 860	Posted - 2013.08.25 05:59:00 - [30] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Surt gods end wrote: FPS has it's shares of glitches and exploit abusers, always has. (and just flat out cheaters) But coming out to use any of these on some FPS games well.... Haha. you think hate mail in this game is the worse you will get? Some people take competitive FPS a little too serious Yeah. Tho they are the ones that smear the game more then the cheaters. Anyway, this has been going on since beta. nothing new. K/D doesn't matter here. So all the crazy stuff that leaks in RL in other FPS games doesn't happen here. Ya hear about the guy who killed a child over a game in CoD? Dude.. I'm 31. I've been playing FPS since I was 15. It's 80% of my gaming diet. I've seen a lot of crazy ****.. and when resistance, and vegas 2 was in MLG. That's the craziest I've seen. 4chan was then hunting grounds for RL revenge. so was myspace. Man.. kids.

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