what about tank snipers hiding in their red zone up on the mountains?

cant go there , lucky if you get close , OS cant kill tanks , if they get hit even once they retread behind hill to repair and they rinse and repeat

more forge tears. Don't mind me while I collect.

Funny how sniping isn't an opt- oh right, you guys get to hide behind terrible draw distance...

let the snipers do their job, the forge gun is a bit of a grey area here.. i don't even know how to compare it to real life ****

Real life has better model rendering...

Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.

I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics.

Yep, i know right?

I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns.

-Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower.

-They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle.

-They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip.

-Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy.

-Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location.

-It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun.

-As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable.

I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP ....

(i paraphrased on point 5 of course)

Real life has better model rendering...

Unfortunately most gamers have eye sight that only registers objects in the 1-3 meter range.

it is counter tactics, and in case you didn't know, tanks cant see anyone on top of buildings, oh wait i didn't notice that you don't drive tanks, stop acting like you know them.

also stop trolling, im giving an actual way to avoid forge snipers, all your doing is trolling.

I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game

Use a Militia forge gun right back at them
It's as effective as forge sniping

Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.

I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics.

If a forge sniper can hit you, other players in your team can hit him too.

You can't snipe a heavy on a tower because as soon as they take one hit, they back up to where they can't be seen to rep. You can't get them with a forge because getting a direct hit is very very difficult - the reason forge snipers on towers are so deadly is because they can still kill people if they miss them by a meter or two. The only counter to forge snipers is to avoid them and that's not really a counter; a counter would be a reasonable way to kill them, which does not exist.

This is just naive. No one can take out a forge sniper. See my previous post for details of why.

You whining about tanks not being able to kill certain foot soldiers is like me whining about bot being able to kill tanks with a scrambler pistol scout

Forge guns are a COUNTER to tanks...just like tanks are a COUNTER to non-AV foot soldiers.

You expect to simply stomp EVERYONE in a tank unopposed...which is beyond clownish.

You aren't giving a way to avoid forge snipers, you're simply here to whine and demand an unjustified nerf. If a forge sniper can hit you, other players in your team can hit him too.

here are some steps to counter them.

for Vehicles:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper.
Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know)
Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area.
Step 4- recall your vehicle.
Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.


for Infantry:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper
Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad.
Step 3- get an orbital.
Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)

OR

Step 1- leave the game

that should help you guys.

OR

Accept that snipers are a valuable part of the game.

OR

Befriend the forge gunner. Get him to tell you his home address. Go find him in RL and kick his butt.

THEN

Leave the game... But satisfied.

Your previous post is utter nonsense.

here are some steps to counter them.

for Vehicles:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper.
Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know)
Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area.
Step 4- recall your vehicle.
Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.


for Infantry:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper
Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad.
Step 3- get an orbital.
Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)

OR

Step 1- leave the game

that should help you guys.

If they can see me, I can see them, and my Ishukone hits them from the ground floor up in the penthouse just fine.

I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game

^ This.

As an occasional forge gunner, snipers (and AR users within range) are the bane of my existence. We are big slow moving targets, and if a sniper decides to camp us, there isn't much that can be done except attempt to re-locate (fat chance of doing this on an open map without a vehicle or a lot of cover).


Add insult to injury that the snipers might as well be invisible shooting from an unknown location (HUD hit marker direction is garbage when it comes to getting shot by snipers).

i guess that since everything has gotten nerfed to hell, all that's left that's actually doing its job is the forge, yet i have to say that the proto assault version needs a fire rate nerf, it fires too fast for that much damage.

Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know)

on that, i can vouch for tank drivers.

that is the result of being nerfed every single build this game has ever had, we aren't going to charge directly into battle and let you kill us in seconds, we are going to stay where we can actually survive and do our job. that's you infantry's fault for nerfing tanks so much that our worth is nearly 0.


you told us to adapt or die when we were getting killed in the middle of the battle field, and when we adapted and went to the redline, you complain that we are cowards and need to go down to the battle field and let you kill us in 5 seconds, there is no pleasing you.

You just seem to be talking about ground forge users but the real problem is the ones perched up high on unreachable towers.

The forge gun hits you bad. If there was a clone heaven, you will be denied with that weapon. I use to get forged so bad, my screen will glitch. One time I was getting repped and thought I was safe, and then BLAM__FG. I'm scared of that weapon of mass destruction. Also it is scary when ppl get forged right before you!

Yep, i know right?

I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns.

-Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower.

-They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle.

-They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip.

-Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy.

-Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location.

-It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun.

-As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable.

I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP ....

(i paraphrased on point 5 of course)

The Forge Gun is fine just the way it is! Don't believe me just ask CCP.

Better yet go try it for yourself!

If you really think sniping with the FG is easy go do it! I'm gonna tell you right now you are in for a big surprise.

it was a surprise of easy it was... counter sniper snipers because of abusing rendering and all the infantry get mad at me w/ hate mail.

here are some steps to counter them.

for Vehicles:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper.
Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know)
Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area.
Step 4- recall your vehicle.
Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.


for Infantry:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper
Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad.
Step 3- get an orbital.
Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)

OR

Step 1- leave the game

that should help you guys.

Hey dipshit, you know that rendering issue works both way's for infantry ya know. If your sniper scope can't see me then I cant see you with my hip fire reticule.

You can't snipe a heavy on a tower because as soon as they take one hit, they back up to where they can't be seen to rep. You can't get them with a forge because getting a direct hit is very very difficult - the reason forge snipers on towers are so deadly is because they can still kill people if they miss them by a meter or two. The only counter to forge snipers is to avoid them and that's not really a counter; a counter would be a reasonable way to kill them, which does not exist.

it was a surprise of easy it was... counter sniper snipers because of abusing rendering and all the infantry get mad at me w/ hate mail.

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game

lol'd range is only 300, even less if you take into account they are 100 meters in the air, most times.

Just a bitter tank driver, I tell ya

Rail tankers never (hardly) ever did go into battle. A large majority of people who redline rail tanked a year ago are gone or nowhere near as active but the red line cowardice never did go away.

Although it was a little bit harder back then since the maps required you to move a little bit out of your safety area to get a view of the map.

I do agree that tanks have been nerfed too much but people are always going to hide in the redline and be pansys until there is a consequence for it.


Further more, A Railgun tanks shouldn't charge directly within battle, that's pretty stupid in my opinion. They should keep a distance (however redlining is over the top). The fighting style of the shield tank is more tactical than the armor tank and people fail to realise that.

You can't use a Caldari shield tank as a brawler all out combat tank because they weren't built for that.
The Caldari prefer to take a tactical approach and attack from range. (Take note of the Rail Turret and Missile turret)

Believe it or not, Caldari Missile launcher tanks can easily kill a Gallente armor tank as long as people actually think about engagements and not charge straight into a hornets nest.

LOL stop it or prove it!

You know, I hear about all of this "rendering sucks" and all this other crap everyone says on the forums. It doesn't stop snipers from tagging me in every single match I play from every possible location one could fathom and well out of FG range I might add.

I have had redline rail tanks snipe me as I was trying to take out a DS.

I have been hit by snipers from deep in enemy redline while I am on the other side of the map. **** I get on a tower and get sniped with damn Duvalle AR's from half the map away!

There is nothing "easy" about getting in the largest, slowest suit in the game, and using a gun that takes as long or longer to charge as it does for a standard AR to take me out!

There is nothing "easy" about hitting a target from 100m with a gun that can not even ADS!

There is nothing "easy" about scoring direct hits with with the Assault Forge Gun. Unless, of course, the enemy is a 'tard and just stands perfectly still for the 2.5 seconds it takes to charge. In which case thank you scrub.

EDIT: I have never not even once got a FG kill using splash damage! Every single infantry kill I have gotten was a direct hit! I use the Assault FG and I do not sit in a tower like a coward!

lol, snipers can't do **** to the fatty.
It's either another FG fatty or an orbital. A hidden redline rail tank could also work.

And 100% agreed with OP.

-XOXO

iv been hunted by forge snipers and i can tell you by personal experience that the only way they couldn't hit me was if i was behind cover, even across the map, i had to be behind cover to get away from their power.

true, there have always been redline tankers, but now more so than ever because of how ****** tanks are and people don't want to lose their investments, weve been nerfed to near uselessness and infantry wonder why we are redlining..

Then why do I get taken out by snipers all the time? Get a kaalakiota or some other tactical sniper rifle and see how fast you drop the biggest, slowest dropsuit in the game-especially if said fatty is on an open rooftop!

Step 1 go to adjacent rooftop!

Step 2 fire 2 - 3 consecutive rounds into fatty's head!

Step 3 resume normal gameplay!

You aren't avoiding me, because I don't get on rooftops. I will say though that if you are standing still you will die from a FG. If you keep moving you will not.

FG has 16 rounds total at advanced level. If I can't one shot you, I'm going to find another target. I'm not going to sit there and waste all my ammo trying-and failing to kill you with LOL FG splash damage.

You made it to that cover though didn't you! Would you have if you were being spammed with Mass Driver splash damage? NO!

It takes skill to get direct hits with a FG from that far away.



Wasn't really complaining about it, but now that you mention it, there is no counter for redline shield tanks is there?

Takes one sniper to ruin the Roof top Forge guns fun. Don't headshots have a 5x multiplier? How hard is it to hit a heavies head? Not hard cause I've been doing it all day.

oh contrare, i was moving and i was still killed by one of you..

i wasn't staying still, i was moving my ass to the nearest cover to avoid the fire power, yet i was still killed while i was moving...

by your logic that's impossible right?

Not impossible, but give that guy credit especially if he was using an assault FG! Those autofire when fully charged just like the turrets. You cannot ADS with a FG. Trust me it takes a hell of a lot of skill to hit a moving target with an assault FG at any range!

1. its a mix of results, i will die sometimes and i will survive other times...

2. yes there is a counter, actually there are multiple counters, the ones i commonly know about are as follows:

orbital strikes.
dropship gunners (they can go inside the redline as long as they are not near the ground)
suicide AVers.

Then why do I get taken out by snipers all the time? Get a kaalakiota or some other tactical sniper rifle and see how fast you drop the biggest, slowest dropsuit in the game-especially if said fatty is on an open rooftop!

Step 1 go to adjacent rooftop!

Step 2 fire 2 - 3 consecutive rounds into fatty's head!

Step 3 resume normal gameplay!

Fought back-to-back battles against two members of the Southern Legion that were camping on top of buildings (first time with ladders, second via a dropship) with their forge guns and surrounded by droplinks and armor repair links (and 1,000+ total HP suits.) Lacking a mic, I had no way of alerting my teammates in the first game of what they were doing (and from where.) My poor Kaalakiota SR just couldn't get the job done, so they ended up dominating the match with only 2 or 3 deaths each.

Second time around, I tried warning my team before going into battle of what they were going to do...but no luck. I was once again stuck with trying to harass them as best I could with my SR with no help from anyone else

You must be doing it wrong. I have rarely kill any halfway decent tank with an orbital strike. They always hit reppers and irk out. I stopped wasting orbitals on tanks months ago.

Some general sentiments on FGs:

I use the FG almost exclusively in areas accessible without usage of vehicles, and I have been able to easily take out any FG snipers on top of buildings w/ my DAU. (On an alt)

I've also been on top of some of the tallest buildings, just to see what all the fuss was about, and I immediately quit as I was being constantly harassed by snipers that I could not hit, nor even see. Yeah, those snipers may not have gotten a +50 from me, but they still "won."

For infantry, well, I've been in matches with good FG snipers as I was using my logi alt, and have been able to avoid being slaughtered by utilizing these amazing things called tactics. I can literally count the number of times I have been killed by Forge Guns on one hand, after over 3 months of playing, and having been in numerous matches with the likes of DS 10 and dozens of other good Forge Gun users. Tactics, the best defence against anything.

As for vehicles, well, it is not the fault of Forge Guns that Tanks have been nerfed repeatedly. It is not the fault of Forge Guns that Dropships are awful. Vehicles are definitely in need of some CCP love.

Not even all Dropships are awful. I was in a match yesterday where It took 3 FG shots to get through half i'ts armor. By that time the DS evaded around a tall building, then came around behind me and blasted me. It never once showed up on my tacnet.

^ anyone else?

Yep, i know right?

I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns.

-Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower.

-They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle.

-They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip.

-Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy.

-Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location.

-It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun.

-As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable.

I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP ....

(i paraphrased on point 5 of course)

You're so full of **** It's literally spewing from your ears.

Forge guns have a range of 299M, go check for yourself.

Breach forge guns take 6 seconds to charge. 4.5 seconds with full operation skill. I have had well fitted tanks survive 3 consecutive hits of my proto Breach. Again you're doing it wrong.

If you can't fit a decent dropship well enough to survive even one hit, you're doing it wrong.

editedit - seems the sarcasm went over many a person's head...

Real life has better model rendering...

Today I was forge gunning on a high point; the red team had called in multiple tanks that were tearing through our infantry and infrastructure. I began firing on a blaster tank that would pause every now and then to shoot at me? The tanker got lucky when a proto sniper killed me before I could fire the killing shot.

Sniping forge gunners on high points is a viable counter tactic.

PS: I spawned in on the ground and unloaded my entire clip on the tank mentioned above. I was a bit screwed at this point because I was in a fat suit with no cover and had to reload. But then it happened, in an act of pure greed the tanker decided to rush at me, who was obviously in a AV fit. I immediately canceled my reload and tossed 2 AV grenades when the tanker entered throwing distance range. Lowratehitman was right.

For all of you complaining about Forge Guns

- Snipe them, you can't really hide on top of a tower in the open.
- Avoid them, when they are on a tower, they are not capturing objectives.
- Heavily Shielded/Armored dropships, If it has enough HP, it can take a few forge gun shots to destroy.
- Don't let them get on the tower in the first place, if you see an enemy dropship, work with your squad to take it out, IT'S NOT THAT HARD!!!!!

It seems as though there are people complaining about every explosive weapon in the game, remember its not the guns that are OP, it's YOU who doesn't know how to deal with them.

so tell me again, how do you deal with an invisable forge gunner in a high place when your not quite sure where he is or how he got there?

Yep, i know right?

I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns.

-Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower.

-They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle.

-They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip.

-Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy.

-Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location.

-It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun.

-As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable.

I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP ....

(i paraphrased on point 5 of course)

Please go back and read post #90

Unless you're running solo. Then abandon all hope and wait for 2.0.

they dont render 9 times out of 10

out ranging a forge gun is useless when it sees you but you cant see it.

even with spotters to help find the guy in the first place its near impossable.

for that plan to work you have to already know exactly where he is, wich isnt the problem. the problem is he DOESNT RENDER so if he has half a brain YULL NEVER FIND HIM with infantry, with tanks, with dropships.

good friggen luck

When uprising came out you all pointed and laughed at the heavies and said: "Get Gud Scrubs!"

We got good. Hurts, doesn't it?

Now I return to you. "get good you whiny scrubs."

If you target directly under the spotted chevron your shots can hit the target. With the Large Rail structure turrets I've shot at red-dots fighting blue-dots before.

Rendering is frustrating and we shouldn't need this kind of complication. Hopefully they'll be able to fix this sooner rather than later.

Not impossible, but give that guy credit especially if he was using an assault FG! Those autofire when fully charged just like the turrets. You cannot ADS with a FG. Trust me it takes a hell of a lot of skill to hit a moving target with an assault FG at any range!

Takes one sniper to ruin the Roof top Forge guns fun. Don't headshots have a 5x multiplier? How hard is it to hit a heavies head? Not hard cause I've been doing it all day.

here are some steps to counter them.

for Vehicles:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper.
Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know)
Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area.
Step 4- recall your vehicle.
Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.


for Infantry:

Step 1- locate the forge sniper
Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad.
Step 3- get an orbital.
Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)

OR

Step 1- leave the game

that should help you guys.

For those bitching up a storm about rendering distance let's not forget it works both ways.

If you can't see me through your sniper scope I sure as **** can't see you either.

For those bitching up a storm about rendering distance let's not forget it works both ways.

If you can't see me through your sniper scope I sure as **** can't see you either.

Rail tankers never (hardly) ever did go into battle. A large majority of people who redline rail tanked a year ago are gone or nowhere near as active but the red line cowardice never did go away.

Although it was a little bit harder back then since the maps required you to move a little bit out of your safety area to get a view of the map.

I do agree that tanks have been nerfed too much but people are always going to hide in the redline and be pansys until there is a consequence for it.


Further more, A Railgun tanks shouldn't charge directly within battle, that's pretty stupid in my opinion. They should keep a distance (however redlining is over the top). The fighting style of the shield tank is more tactical than the armor tank and people fail to realise that.

You can't use a Caldari shield tank as a brawler all out combat tank because they weren't built for that.
The Caldari prefer to take a tactical approach and attack from range. (Take note of the Rail Turret and Missile turret)

Believe it or not, Caldari Missile launcher tanks can easily kill a Gallente armor tank as long as people actually think about engagements and not charge straight into a hornets nest.

cant sniper them, they dont render.
cant avoid them, they DONT RENDER

dropships get 3 seconds between getting smack by forge shot one, to GTFO and not get hit by forge shot 2

sure its possable, but since THEY DONT RENDER you have no idea where they are (outside experiance and just plain guessing) so avoiding them or doing evasive manuvers is near impossable when you cant see what your avoiding (the shots are invisable)

not letting them get on the tower isnt the easyest thing in the world since they usually get there ASAP and its not always possable to prevent it.


so tell me again, how do you deal with an invisable forge gunner in a high place when your not quite sure where he is or how he got there?