it was a surprise of easy it was... counter sniper snipers because of abusing rendering and all the infantry get mad at me w/ hate mail.

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Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game

lol'd range is only 300, even less if you take into account they are 100 meters in the air, most times.

Just a bitter tank driver, I tell ya

Rail tankers never (hardly) ever did go into battle. A large majority of people who redline rail tanked a year ago are gone or nowhere near as active but the red line cowardice never did go away.

Although it was a little bit harder back then since the maps required you to move a little bit out of your safety area to get a view of the map.

I do agree that tanks have been nerfed too much but people are always going to hide in the redline and be pansys until there is a consequence for it.


Further more, A Railgun tanks shouldn't charge directly within battle, that's pretty stupid in my opinion. They should keep a distance (however redlining is over the top). The fighting style of the shield tank is more tactical than the armor tank and people fail to realise that.

You can't use a Caldari shield tank as a brawler all out combat tank because they weren't built for that.
The Caldari prefer to take a tactical approach and attack from range. (Take note of the Rail Turret and Missile turret)

Believe it or not, Caldari Missile launcher tanks can easily kill a Gallente armor tank as long as people actually think about engagements and not charge straight into a hornets nest.

LOL stop it or prove it!

You know, I hear about all of this "rendering sucks" and all this other crap everyone says on the forums. It doesn't stop snipers from tagging me in every single match I play from every possible location one could fathom and well out of FG range I might add.

I have had redline rail tanks snipe me as I was trying to take out a DS.

I have been hit by snipers from deep in enemy redline while I am on the other side of the map. **** I get on a tower and get sniped with damn Duvalle AR's from half the map away!

There is nothing "easy" about getting in the largest, slowest suit in the game, and using a gun that takes as long or longer to charge as it does for a standard AR to take me out!

There is nothing "easy" about hitting a target from 100m with a gun that can not even ADS!

There is nothing "easy" about scoring direct hits with with the Assault Forge Gun. Unless, of course, the enemy is a 'tard and just stands perfectly still for the 2.5 seconds it takes to charge. In which case thank you scrub.

EDIT: I have never not even once got a FG kill using splash damage! Every single infantry kill I have gotten was a direct hit! I use the Assault FG and I do not sit in a tower like a coward!

lol, snipers can't do **** to the fatty.
It's either another FG fatty or an orbital. A hidden redline rail tank could also work.

And 100% agreed with OP.

-XOXO

iv been hunted by forge snipers and i can tell you by personal experience that the only way they couldn't hit me was if i was behind cover, even across the map, i had to be behind cover to get away from their power.

true, there have always been redline tankers, but now more so than ever because of how ****** tanks are and people don't want to lose their investments, weve been nerfed to near uselessness and infantry wonder why we are redlining..

Then why do I get taken out by snipers all the time? Get a kaalakiota or some other tactical sniper rifle and see how fast you drop the biggest, slowest dropsuit in the game-especially if said fatty is on an open rooftop!

Step 1 go to adjacent rooftop!

Step 2 fire 2 - 3 consecutive rounds into fatty's head!

Step 3 resume normal gameplay!

You aren't avoiding me, because I don't get on rooftops. I will say though that if you are standing still you will die from a FG. If you keep moving you will not.

FG has 16 rounds total at advanced level. If I can't one shot you, I'm going to find another target. I'm not going to sit there and waste all my ammo trying-and failing to kill you with LOL FG splash damage.

You made it to that cover though didn't you! Would you have if you were being spammed with Mass Driver splash damage? NO!

It takes skill to get direct hits with a FG from that far away.



Wasn't really complaining about it, but now that you mention it, there is no counter for redline shield tanks is there?

Takes one sniper to ruin the Roof top Forge guns fun. Don't headshots have a 5x multiplier? How hard is it to hit a heavies head? Not hard cause I've been doing it all day.

oh contrare, i was moving and i was still killed by one of you..

i wasn't staying still, i was moving my ass to the nearest cover to avoid the fire power, yet i was still killed while i was moving...

by your logic that's impossible right?

Not impossible, but give that guy credit especially if he was using an assault FG! Those autofire when fully charged just like the turrets. You cannot ADS with a FG. Trust me it takes a hell of a lot of skill to hit a moving target with an assault FG at any range!

1. its a mix of results, i will die sometimes and i will survive other times...

2. yes there is a counter, actually there are multiple counters, the ones i commonly know about are as follows:

orbital strikes.
dropship gunners (they can go inside the redline as long as they are not near the ground)
suicide AVers.

Then why do I get taken out by snipers all the time? Get a kaalakiota or some other tactical sniper rifle and see how fast you drop the biggest, slowest dropsuit in the game-especially if said fatty is on an open rooftop!

Step 1 go to adjacent rooftop!

Step 2 fire 2 - 3 consecutive rounds into fatty's head!

Step 3 resume normal gameplay!

Fought back-to-back battles against two members of the Southern Legion that were camping on top of buildings (first time with ladders, second via a dropship) with their forge guns and surrounded by droplinks and armor repair links (and 1,000+ total HP suits.) Lacking a mic, I had no way of alerting my teammates in the first game of what they were doing (and from where.) My poor Kaalakiota SR just couldn't get the job done, so they ended up dominating the match with only 2 or 3 deaths each.

Second time around, I tried warning my team before going into battle of what they were going to do...but no luck. I was once again stuck with trying to harass them as best I could with my SR with no help from anyone else

You must be doing it wrong. I have rarely kill any halfway decent tank with an orbital strike. They always hit reppers and irk out. I stopped wasting orbitals on tanks months ago.

Some general sentiments on FGs:

I use the FG almost exclusively in areas accessible without usage of vehicles, and I have been able to easily take out any FG snipers on top of buildings w/ my DAU. (On an alt)

I've also been on top of some of the tallest buildings, just to see what all the fuss was about, and I immediately quit as I was being constantly harassed by snipers that I could not hit, nor even see. Yeah, those snipers may not have gotten a +50 from me, but they still "won."

For infantry, well, I've been in matches with good FG snipers as I was using my logi alt, and have been able to avoid being slaughtered by utilizing these amazing things called tactics. I can literally count the number of times I have been killed by Forge Guns on one hand, after over 3 months of playing, and having been in numerous matches with the likes of DS 10 and dozens of other good Forge Gun users. Tactics, the best defence against anything.

As for vehicles, well, it is not the fault of Forge Guns that Tanks have been nerfed repeatedly. It is not the fault of Forge Guns that Dropships are awful. Vehicles are definitely in need of some CCP love.

Not even all Dropships are awful. I was in a match yesterday where It took 3 FG shots to get through half i'ts armor. By that time the DS evaded around a tall building, then came around behind me and blasted me. It never once showed up on my tacnet.

^ anyone else?

Yep, i know right?

I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns.

-Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower.

-They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle.

-They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip.

-Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy.

-Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location.

-It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun.

-As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable.

I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP ....

(i paraphrased on point 5 of course)

You're so full of **** It's literally spewing from your ears.

Forge guns have a range of 299M, go check for yourself.

Breach forge guns take 6 seconds to charge. 4.5 seconds with full operation skill. I have had well fitted tanks survive 3 consecutive hits of my proto Breach. Again you're doing it wrong.

If you can't fit a decent dropship well enough to survive even one hit, you're doing it wrong.

editedit - seems the sarcasm went over many a person's head...

Real life has better model rendering...