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Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:36:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Void Echo wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.
I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics. it is counter tactics, and in case you didn't know, tanks cant see anyone on top of buildings, oh wait i didn't notice that you don't drive tanks, stop acting like you know them. also stop trolling, im giving an actual way to avoid forge snipers, all your doing is trolling. You whining about tanks not being able to kill certain foot soldiers is like me whining about bot being able to kill tanks with a scrambler pistol scout Forge guns are a COUNTER to tanks...just like tanks are a COUNTER to non-AV foot soldiers. You expect to simply stomp EVERYONE in a tank unopposed...which is beyond clownish. You aren't giving a way to avoid forge snipers, you're simply here to whine and demand an unjustified nerf. If a forge sniper can hit you, other players in your team can hit him too.
please quote where have i ever complained about not being able to kill certain infantry players.
id also like to remind you that there is a difference between complaining and giving facts, it seems you dont |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
161
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:37:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:here are some steps to counter them.
for Vehicles:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper. Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know) Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area. Step 4- recall your vehicle. Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.
for Infantry:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad. Step 3- get an orbital. Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)
OR
Step 1- leave the game
that should help you guys.
OR
Accept that snipers are a valuable part of the game.
OR
Befriend the forge gunner. Get him to tell you his home address. Go find him in RL and kick his butt.
THEN
Leave the game... But satisfied.
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Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
940
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:38:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Void Echo wrote:here are some steps to counter them.
for Vehicles:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper. Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know) Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area. Step 4- recall your vehicle. Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.
for Infantry:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad. Step 3- get an orbital. Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)
OR
Step 1- leave the game
that should help you guys. OR Accept that snipers are a valuable part of the game. OR Befriend the forge gunner. Get him to tell you his home address. Go find him in RL and kick his butt. THEN Leave the game... But satisfied.
A for effort but post is a 1/10 |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
1305
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:40:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Django Quik wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:If a forge sniper can hit you, other players in your team can hit him too. This is just naive. No one can take out a forge sniper. See my previous post for details of why. Your previous post is utter nonsense. Hitting a forge gunner on top of a tower with a forge gun from the ground is nigh on impossible because you can only hit them with a direct hit. That is not easy at all. Please record yourself doing that and post it to prove you actually have any idea what you're talking about. |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
941
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:40:00 -
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to all the trolls here, i havent once complained about the forges in this thread besides the ONLY post about the prototype forge..
you guys that are trolling are pathetic, forge sniping is not a valuable tactic, and thus i gave you victims 2 way to deal with you, and now your going on a rant telling everyone that they are meant to let you kill them without any possible way of countering you. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1193
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:42:00 -
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I don't have this problem with forge snipers.
If they can see me, I can see them, and my Ishukone hits them from the ground floor up in the penthouse just fine.
I hope they cru that I'm OP and need nerfing. |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
941
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:46:00 -
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1. no im not, tanks can kill any infantry soldier, the only ones we cant kill are you who hide on top of buildings where NOBODY can get to you, including infantry.
2. forges are not soley anti vehicle weapons, in the description, they say "anti-material" basically explaining that they can destroy everything like the tanks.
3. in my history of being on the forums, i have NEVER said i want to be invincible to weaponry nor have i ever wanted to be OP, your definition of OP is the opposite class to your being balanced against you so they actually stand a chance against you.
4. yes i am giving a way to avoid you, there is only one post in this thread about wanting a change, the 1st post of this thread indicated nothing of wanting a nerf. |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
943
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:00:00 -
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to the trolls, GTFO my thread |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
62
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:11:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:here are some steps to counter them.
for Vehicles:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper. Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know) Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area. Step 4- recall your vehicle. Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.
for Infantry:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad. Step 3- get an orbital. Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)
OR
Step 1- leave the game
that should help you guys.
As infantry, this tactic is really starting to frustrate me. There is very little you can do once a FG is up on a high tower over looking pretty much EVERYTHING and killing infantry left right and center.
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Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
946
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:33:00 -
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^ anyone else? |
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J0hlss0n
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
26
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:03:00 -
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So, where can I buy this forge that has unlimited range and one shots all and everything? Come on, I want to try it, I thought Id tried every forge gun in the game, but I must've missed this one.... ;)
Breakin Stuff wrote:If they can see me, I can see them, and my Ishukone hits them from the ground floor up in the penthouse just fine.
I actually dont remember the forge changing from the last couple of build, so what is the real problem? I remember back in the days when tanks ruled close to everything, and with the tanks today not being close to advanced and proto, of course they will take a beating from proto av... I think the real solution is not to nerf the AV (ok, to stop the crying of the forum we might have to agree to some slight nerf, thats all thats going around these days so its best to give up right away, right?), but to lower the cost of the tanks and fittings, and bring out advanced and proto, they will surly counter todays proto AV much better... oh, and give the dropships some love also... |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
947
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:06:00 -
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this isn't a nerf av thread. |
Julius Vindice
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
266
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:08:00 -
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Forge guns are not OP except mine since it runs on tank tears. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1050
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:25:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game
^ This.
As an occasional forge gunner, snipers (and AR users within range) are the bane of my existence. We are big slow moving targets, and if a sniper decides to camp us, there isn't much that can be done except attempt to re-locate (fat chance of doing this on an open map without a vehicle or a lot of cover).
Add insult to injury that the snipers might as well be invisible shooting from an unknown location (HUD hit marker direction is garbage when it comes to getting shot by snipers). |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
1308
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:27:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game ^ This. As an occasional forge gunner, snipers (and AR users within range) are the bane of my existence. We are big slow moving targets, and if a sniper decides to camp us, there isn't much that can be done except attempt to re-locate (fat chance of doing this on an open map without a vehicle or a lot of cover). Add insult to injury that the snipers might as well be invisible shooting from an unknown location (HUD hit marker direction is garbage when it comes to getting shot by snipers). You just seem to be talking about ground forge users but the real problem is the ones perched up high on unreachable towers. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
380
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:35:00 -
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The forge gun hits you bad. If there was a clone heaven, you will be denied with that weapon. I use to get forged so bad, my screen will glitch. One time I was getting repped and thought I was safe, and then BLAM__FG. I'm scared of that weapon of mass destruction. Also it is scary when ppl get forged right before you! |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
430
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:37:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:i guess that since everything has gotten nerfed to hell, all that's left that's actually doing its job is the forge, yet i have to say that the proto assault version needs a fire rate nerf, it fires too fast for that much damage. The damage should be switched between the standard variant and the assault. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
426
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Posted - 2013.08.21 21:52:00 -
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Add to the list:
Stop whining and fight like a Man.
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
149
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:00:00 -
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Void Echo wrote: Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know)
lol'd range is only 300, even less if you take into account they are 100 meters in the air, most times.
Just a bitter tank driver, I tell ya
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1230
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:00:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:what about tank snipers hiding in their red zone up on the mountains?
cant go there , lucky if you get close , OS cant kill tanks , if they get hit even once they retread behind hill to repair and they rinse and repeat on that, i can vouch for tank drivers. that is the result of being nerfed every single build this game has ever had, we aren't going to charge directly into battle and let you kill us in seconds, we are going to stay where we can actually survive and do our job. that's you infantry's fault for nerfing tanks so much that our worth is nearly 0. you told us to adapt or die when we were getting killed in the middle of the battle field, and when we adapted and went to the redline, you complain that we are cowards and need to go down to the battle field and let you kill us in 5 seconds, there is no pleasing you. Rail tankers never (hardly) ever did go into battle. A large majority of people who redline rail tanked a year ago are gone or nowhere near as active but the red line cowardice never did go away.
Although it was a little bit harder back then since the maps required you to move a little bit out of your safety area to get a view of the map.
I do agree that tanks have been nerfed too much but people are always going to hide in the redline and be pansys until there is a consequence for it.
Further more, A Railgun tanks shouldn't charge directly within battle, that's pretty stupid in my opinion. They should keep a distance (however redlining is over the top). The fighting style of the shield tank is more tactical than the armor tank and people fail to realise that.
You can't use a Caldari shield tank as a brawler all out combat tank because they weren't built for that. The Caldari prefer to take a tactical approach and attack from range. (Take note of the Rail Turret and Missile turret)
Believe it or not, Caldari Missile launcher tanks can easily kill a Gallente armor tank as long as people actually think about engagements and not charge straight into a hornets nest. |
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
780
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:10:00 -
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Constantly complains, constantly seen in game. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1051
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:11:00 -
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Django Quik wrote: You just seem to be talking about ground forge users but the real problem is the ones perched up high on unreachable towers.
Well ground and on rooftops. I've only once been able to get a ride to a tower with my forge, and it didn't last long cause I ended up falling off cause I got too close to the edge.
But from my experience on rooftops, as long as the sniper can hit me at all when I poke out, I am not going to be very effective at forge sniping.
Snipers may not be able to OHK me or even 2-3 hit kill most of the time, but it sure is one hell of a deterrent. I can't forge snipe if I am constancy being hit by a sniper when I poke out to take some shots. And this is what I meant by having to re-locate.
It's just like really strong tanks, even if I can't kill them with my forge/swarms, they really can't do much if they get shot each time they come out to kill infantry. Same goes for forges users vs snipers. With no sniper holding us back, the sky is the limit, but as soon as they start shooting at me I won't be very effective and will be held back for however long the sniper camps me. |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:08:00 -
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Niuvo wrote:The forge gun hits you bad. If there was a clone heaven, you will be denied with that weapon. I use to get forged so bad, my screen will glitch. One time I was getting repped and thought I was safe, and then BLAM__FG. I'm scared of that weapon of mass destruction. Also it is scary when ppl get forged right before you!
Better them getting forged than me >_>;
I hate getting OHK by forges but who doesn't. They're annoying but I'm not sure they're at the game breaking level.
I'll edit this post after my next forge gun death and rage accordingly. |
Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
540
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:14:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Yep, i know right? I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns. -Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower. -They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle. -They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip. -Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy. -Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location. -It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun. -As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable. I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP .... (i paraphrased on point 5 of course)
You're so full of **** It's literally spewing from your ears.
Forge guns have a range of 299M, go check for yourself.
Breach forge guns take 6 seconds to charge. 4.5 seconds with full operation skill. I have had well fitted tanks survive 3 consecutive hits of my proto Breach. Again you're doing it wrong.
If you can't fit a decent dropship well enough to survive even one hit, you're doing it wrong.
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
532
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:34:00 -
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The Forge Gun is fine just the way it is! Don't believe me just ask CCP.
Better yet go try it for yourself!
If you really think using the FG in any way, shape, or form is easy go do it! I'm gonna tell you right now you are in for a big surprise! |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1210
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:37:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:The Forge Gun is fine just the way it is! Don't believe me just ask CCP. Better yet go try it for yourself! If you really think sniping with the FG is easy go do it! I'm gonna tell you right now you are in for a big surprise. it was a surprise of easy it was... counter sniper snipers because of abusing rendering and all the infantry get mad at me w/ hate mail. |
Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
541
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:43:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:The Forge Gun is fine just the way it is! Don't believe me just ask CCP. Better yet go try it for yourself! If you really think sniping with the FG is easy go do it! I'm gonna tell you right now you are in for a big surprise. it was a surprise of easy it was... counter sniper snipers because of abusing rendering and all the infantry get mad at me w/ hate mail.
Hey dipshit, you know that rendering issue works both way's for infantry ya know. If your sniper scope can't see me then I cant see you with my hip fire reticule. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3209
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:45:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:here are some steps to counter them.
for Vehicles:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper. Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know) Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area. Step 4- recall your vehicle. Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.
for Infantry:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad. Step 3- get an orbital. Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)
OR
Step 1- leave the game
that should help you guys. I brought up the idea of reducing splash damage on the Forge Gun in IRC last night.
Got shouted down. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1212
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:50:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:ladwar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:The Forge Gun is fine just the way it is! Don't believe me just ask CCP. Better yet go try it for yourself! If you really think sniping with the FG is easy go do it! I'm gonna tell you right now you are in for a big surprise. it was a surprise of easy it was... counter sniper snipers because of abusing rendering and all the infantry get mad at me w/ hate mail. Hey dipshit, you know that rendering issue works both way's for infantry ya know. If your sniper scope can't see me then I cant see you with my hip fire reticule. then he rans into the forges ranges and bam! OHK bye bye sniper. |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens League of Infamy
670
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Posted - 2013.08.21 23:54:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game Bojo The Mighty wrote:Use a Militia forge gun right back at them It's as effective as forge sniping R'adeh Hunt wrote:Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.
I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics. You can't snipe a heavy on a tower because as soon as they take one hit, they back up to where they can't be seen to rep. You can't get them with a forge because getting a direct hit is very very difficult - the reason forge snipers on towers are so deadly is because they can still kill people if they miss them by a meter or two. The only counter to forge snipers is to avoid them and that's not really a counter; a counter would be a reasonable way to kill them, which does not exist.
You can't snipe a tank in the redline because as soon as they take one hit, they back up to where they can't be seen to rep. You can't get them with a forge because getting three direct hits is very very difficult - the reason tanks in the redline are so deadly is because they can still kill people if they miss them by a meter or two. The only counter to redline tanks is to avoid them and that's not really a counter; a counter would be a reasonable way to kill them, which does not exist. |
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