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Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:49:00 -
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here are some steps to counter them.
for Vehicles:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper.
Step 2- get to some point of the map where he cant get you. (impossible i know)
Step 3- make sure your the only one in that area.
Step 4- recall your vehicle.
Step 5- leave the game and go to a game that's actually playable.
for Infantry:
Step 1- locate the forge sniper
Step 2- have the squad leader place a defend order on one of the people in your squad.
Step 3- get an orbital.
Step 4- use the orbital on the cowards at the top of the buildings. (this will also destroy all equipment on the buildings.)
that should help you guys. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1069
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Posted - 2013.08.21 17:54:00 -
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I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
932
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:00:00 -
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i guess that since everything has gotten nerfed to hell, all that's left that's actually doing its job is the forge, yet i have to say that the proto assault version needs a fire rate nerf, it fires too fast for that much damage. |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:01:00 -
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Sounds reasonable.
Though they can spawn more forge gunners faster than we can call down orbitals. Still, running away seems to be the best option for me in a lot of cases. |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
932
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:09:00 -
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noted, added it to the list |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades
C0VEN
182
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:17:00 -
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what about tank snipers hiding in their red zone?
cant go there , lucky if you get close , OS cant kill tanks , if they get hit even once they retread behind hill to repair and they rinse and repeat
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Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:19:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:what about tank snipers hiding in their red zone up on the mountains?
cant go there , lucky if you get close , OS cant kill tanks , if they get hit even once they retread behind hill to repair and they rinse and repeat
on that, i can vouch for tank drivers.
that is the result of being nerfed every single build this game has ever had, we aren't going to charge directly into battle and let you kill us in seconds, we are going to stay where we can actually survive and do our job. that's you infantry's fault for nerfing tanks so much that our worth is nearly 0.
you told us to adapt or die when we were getting killed in the middle of the battle field, and when we adapted and went to the redline, you complain that we are cowards and need to go down to the battle field and let you kill us in 5 seconds, there is no pleasing you. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Top Men.
1190
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:22:00 -
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more forge tears. Don't mind me while I collect. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:24:00 -
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Yep, i know right?
I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns.
-Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower.
-They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle.
-They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip.
-Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy.
-Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location.
-It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun.
-As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable.
I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP .... 
(i paraphrased on point 5 of course)
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Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
934
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:24:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:more forge tears. Don't mind me while I collect.
tears?
this is just me giving simple steps to avoid you and actually make the game a little fun again. |
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Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
934
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:25:00 -
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the proto assault forge is the only forge that needs redone stats, it does too much damage for such a fast rate of fire |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4479
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:25:00 -
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Funny how sniping isn't an opt- oh right, you guys get to hide behind terrible draw distance... |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:40:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Funny how sniping isn't an opt- oh right, you guys get to hide behind terrible draw distance...
let the snipers do their job, the forge gun is a bit of a grey area here.. i don't even know how to compare it to real life **** |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1532
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:41:00 -
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Use a Militia forge gun right back at them
It's as effective as forge sniping |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4480
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:42:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Cosgar wrote:Funny how sniping isn't an opt- oh right, you guys get to hide behind terrible draw distance... let the snipers do their job, the forge gun is a bit of a grey area here.. i don't even know how to compare it to real life ****
Real life has better model rendering... |
Zero Harpuia
WarRavens
League of Infamy
670
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:44:00 -
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This isn't a problem with Forge Guns, it's a problem with map design. Go ahead and nerf the Forge, satisfy your twisted HAVer desires, and watch them all turn into snipers again. Or Dropship cannons, since the Forge will be nerfed in this scenario so they won't have to worry about AV with any range. |
MarasdF Loron
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
56
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:46:00 -
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I would also add one more tip for this situation:
You are driving a tank.
You are facing 2 forge gunners up high somewhere (possibly towers).
Together they can see you from almost anywhere on the map.
1. Don't bother locating the forge gunners, they are invisible.
2. Get behind something that you think will give you enough cover to recall.
3. Get frustrated and yell and rage at the blueberries not getting out of your tank.
4. Try to get out of the cover and run for the redline.
5. Notice that you cannot do this and get back behind the cover where you just were.
6. Get blown up because someone else got to you now.
7. Rage quit because of the stupid blueberries. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
345
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:47:00 -
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Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.
I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics. |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
936
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Void Echo wrote:Cosgar wrote:Funny how sniping isn't an opt- oh right, you guys get to hide behind terrible draw distance... let the snipers do their job, the forge gun is a bit of a grey area here.. i don't even know how to compare it to real life **** Real life has better model rendering...
real life:
better graphics
complete core mechanics
complete environment
0 lag
takes 18 years for you get through the tutorial
the only difficulty is impossibly hard. |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
937
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:49:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.
I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics.
it is counter tactics, and in case you didn't know, tanks cant see anyone on top of buildings, oh wait i didn't notice that you don't drive tanks, stop acting like you know them.
also stop trolling, im giving an actual way to avoid forge snipers, all your doing is trolling. |
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echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:54:00 -
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Is there a trail from the forge guns direction? When snipers miss there is a trail of smoke so you can tell their position. all weapons in game minus the nova knife has some kind of tracer element. I have yet to see one on a forge gun, am just not paying close enough attention?
serious question |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
937
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:55:00 -
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the only way to find a forge is by paying attention to the direction in which the shot is going, if you can do that, youl find the forge |
TheWee BabySeamus
Dem Durrty Boyz
38
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:05:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Yep, i know right? I'll compile some of the data I've read about Forge Guns. -Their payload travel an unlimited range. They can hit anyone, from anywhere on the map so long as they are on a tower. -They don't even render in the distance at all, even for someone using a sniper rifle. -They OHK all dropships regardless of fitting, and can kill a 7k ehp tank with 50% resistances in a single Forge Gun clip. -Sniper Rifles aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because they can't 1 shot the Heavy. -Dropships aren't a counter to tower Forge Sniping, because the Forge gunner has 360 degree vision, as well as foresight into future to determine the DS's location. -It takes less then 6 seconds to pop a tank with the Breach Forge Gun. -As long as there's a nanohive present, the gun is unstoppable. I can totally see why people think the Forge Gun is OP .... (i paraphrased on point 5 of course)
As an very, very, veeery seasoned forge user for almost a year allow me to clear up some of your points.
Point 1) They do not have an unlimited range, believe me I have tried this. snipers can still vastly outrange you.
Point 2)they don't OHK ALL dropships, just MLT and some STD. I have seen many dropships that can take a beating from forge guns, but those are real dropship pilots not scrubs trying to own the skies.
Point 3) you aren't supposed to be able to one-shot a heavy...........we're heavies dude. you want to counter snipe a FG user, then skill into FGs and do it................not that hard.
Point 4) Foresight into the future.....................................ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not sure about this one.
Point 5) no it doesn't, the charge time on it alone is close to 6 seconds. plus you can only jump around like a mo-mo and can't move so a fair trade off for the DMG output.
Point 6) have you seen someone with a MD sit on top of a hive.................far more devastating I can assure you.
And finally...................The FG is not OP at all. people are just finally realizing that it is just a super dope weapon that causes mass panic from infantry and vehicles alike. No one ever complained about the FG for the past year and they haven't touched it.
P.S. MLT FG NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE GAME.
-Wee Baby |
Bettie Boop 2100190003
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
106
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:16:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Void Echo wrote:Cosgar wrote:Funny how sniping isn't an opt- oh right, you guys get to hide behind terrible draw distance... let the snipers do their job, the forge gun is a bit of a grey area here.. i don't even know how to compare it to real life **** Real life has better model rendering...
Unfortunately most gamers have eye sight that only registers objects in the 1-3 meter range. |
Void Echo
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:17:00 -
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Bettie Boop 2100190003 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Void Echo wrote:Cosgar wrote:Funny how sniping isn't an opt- oh right, you guys get to hide behind terrible draw distance... let the snipers do their job, the forge gun is a bit of a grey area here.. i don't even know how to compare it to real life **** Real life has better model rendering... Unfortunately most gamers have eye sight that only registers objects in the 1-3 meter range.
gamers on here that is. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
346
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:27:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.
I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics. it is counter tactics, and in case you didn't know, tanks cant see anyone on top of buildings, oh wait i didn't notice that you don't drive tanks, stop acting like you know them. also stop trolling, im giving an actual way to avoid forge snipers, all your doing is trolling.
You whining about tanks not being able to kill certain foot soldiers is like me whining about bot being able to kill tanks with a scrambler pistol scout 
Forge guns are a COUNTER to tanks...just like tanks are a COUNTER to non-AV foot soldiers.
You expect to simply stomp EVERYONE in a tank unopposed...which is beyond clownish.
You aren't giving a way to avoid forge snipers, you're simply here to whine and demand an unjustified nerf. If a forge sniper can hit you, other players in your team can hit him too. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1305
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:30:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game
Bojo The Mighty wrote:Use a Militia forge gun right back at them
It's as effective as forge sniping
R'adeh Hunt wrote:Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.
I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics.
You can't snipe a heavy on a tower because as soon as they take one hit, they back up to where they can't be seen to rep. You can't get them with a forge because getting a direct hit is very very difficult - the reason forge snipers on towers are so deadly is because they can still kill people if they miss them by a meter or two. The only counter to forge snipers is to avoid them and that's not really a counter; a counter would be a reasonable way to kill them, which does not exist. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1305
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:31:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:If a forge sniper can hit you, other players in your team can hit him too.
This is just naive. No one can take out a forge sniper. See my previous post for details of why. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
346
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:33:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:I forgot they removed sniper rifles from the game Bojo The Mighty wrote:Use a Militia forge gun right back at them
It's as effective as forge sniping R'adeh Hunt wrote:Oh, so the OP pretends vehicle users can't benefit from orbitals....and obviously never thought about counter sniping.
I suggest he takes his own advice and leaves the game...this game doesn't need more people who aren't clever enough to come up with counter tactics. You can't snipe a heavy on a tower because as soon as they take one hit, they back up to where they can't be seen to rep. You can't get them with a forge because getting a direct hit is very very difficult - the reason forge snipers on towers are so deadly is because they can still kill people if they miss them by a meter or two. The only counter to forge snipers is to avoid them and that's not really a counter; a counter would be a reasonable way to kill them, which does not exist.
That's nonsense! You can still take down heavies...they're not supposed to die to a single shot though because guess what, they're HEAVIES. How about you kill them with a militia FG? Takes no skill whatsoever and takes them out in a single shot. Or you become a good sniper with damage mods and still takes him out before he can take cover.
Again, if a FG can hit you, you can hit him using the same exact tactic. To whine about not being able to hit him with a tank for example is silly, just as silly as me whining about not being able to hit snipers with my scrambler pistol. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
346
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Posted - 2013.08.21 19:33:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:If a forge sniper can hit you, other players in your team can hit him too. This is just naive. No one can take out a forge sniper. See my previous post for details of why.
Your previous post is utter nonsense. |
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