Nope

Vehicles would be ****** yet again

We dont even have adv let alone proto mods or hulls yet your all screaming for tiercide because once again infantry have basically everything so your proto suits would be fine but we as vehicle would prob end up with madrugars and gunlogis as our proto vehicles which already get ****** by proto AV

Let alone the removal of basic/adv stuff so less to use

The only way i would ever support tiercide is when everything is out and released and has been balanced and if that takes 2yrs then so be it but doing it right now would screw over vehicle users and that is a fact

Dude havent you heard of matchmaking. It will come out soon.
It will put mercs within a range of sp together. Kind of like academy but for people of all sp amounts. That way people that have proto get put with other proto and not mlt

This thread from a few months ago contains links to two other threads agreeing with you. Tiericide is starting to look like a popular idea, I hope it shows up in weekly feedback report soon.

I can see why CCP would take issue with it. WIthout tiering their options for lower tier aurum gear are limited. As much better as it may be for balance, if CCP isn't making money we don't have a game at all. o_O

KageHoshi Horned Wolf, I like your idea for tiercide. But the proposal would require a skill bonus for basic suit skills because the only incentive to level basic suit skills is to get access to higher tiered suits and variants; there is no incentive to max out basic suit skills with the introduction of tiercide. I feel that the CPU and PG on suits should be reduced and the basic suit skills should give a CPU/PG bonus to the basic and all its variant suits that brings the CPU and PG back to pre-reduced levels. This will give incentive to max out the basic suit skills.

I also feel that an additional equipment slot should be added to basic light and medium frame suits because they are too similar to their assault or scout variant.

Tiericide is a truly fantastic thing, and I can only hope it happens sooner rather than later. EVE didn't start the process until rather recently, and its taking them in the order of years to finish the process. The sooner we start this, the less work it will be for the devs.

One of the concerns I have seen people have with this idea is the aurum sales. Keep in mind this is only to dropsuits. The only aurum items that would be removed are the dropsuits. Modules, weapons, equipment, etc, all still here. CCP can switch the aurum dropsuits over to the specializations, and that works out perfectly.

My only suggestion to this idea is a minor rename to match what EVE has. Call your proposed STD dropsuits, Tech 1 dropsuits, and the specializations Tech 2. We gain nothing, and loose consistency, by naming things differently in DUST.

Nope

Vehicles would be ****** yet again

We dont even have adv let alone proto mods or hulls yet your all screaming for tiercide because once again infantry have basically everything so your proto suits would be fine but we as vehicle would prob end up with madrugars and gunlogis as our proto vehicles which already get ****** by proto AV

Let alone the removal of basic/adv stuff so less to use

The only way i would ever support tiercide is when everything is out and released and has been balanced and if that takes 2yrs then so be it but doing it right now would screw over vehicle users and that is a fact

Tiercide: the removal of tiers. There should only be 2 dropsuit tiers, MLT for testing things out without needing skills, and STD for when you have the skills to use the dropsuit.

There are many threads on the subject, this and this, but I thought I should make one specifically about how it should be handled. gbghg's thread covered why it needs to happen, and this thread is mostly about how to implement it, but basically here is why it needs to happen in case you don't want to read a bunch of paragraphs:

Tiers create imbalance in PVP, and there are no options besides PVP for new players to engage in until they can compete. This means players with less SP have an unreasonably massive disadvantage, and no other option besides getting stomped by vets for months to catch up. Some people might say something stupid like "New Eden isn't fair, HTFU", but this hurts player retention, and ultimately hurts the game's longevity; even EVE got rid of the tiers on the ships, and chose to go with just specializations.

Tiers also lead to many items becoming obsolete once a higher tier version is unlocked.

Removing tiers would make the game much more fun since there will no longer be such a massive difference in HP between players, so basically everyone will have a chance to be effective, and do well without having to worry about massive advantages and disadvantages ruining their fun.

@Cross

Overall the idea is old and quite dated now and in retrospect some aspects of the idea where bad such as the specifics in weapons and slot layouts.

As for the things following the link if i could update it if it weren't locked that what it would boil down too.

I may make a version 2.0 to include vehicles.

-Post snipped because it was too long. Click here to access.-

Tiercide as a general concept is cool to me, unfortunately most iterations of it are far less desirable than the general concept. I have not checked out the two linked threads yet, that's my next stop, but at this point I am not persuaded that this change is required or beneficial. For example some of the listed motives are, simply put, directly in conflict with my own testing. I have a zero SP character who runs starter fits, I test on this character regularly (usually at least one day a week) and have not encountered "an unreasonably massive disadvantage". Lets be clear here, I am a support logi, in part because my gun game is not the strongest out there, so I'm playing on a character with zero sp, in starter fits, in a role I'm mediocre at and tending to earn 500-1500 WP per game even in matches with organized corp squads running full proto.

Now I am not saying that gear and SP have no impact, but it is certainly not an impact that I feel can accurately be described as "massive". Furthermore the most painful burden placed on my zero SP character when contrasted with several of my other characters? It's not HP, or even eHP, it is mobility. That's right the speed with which I can sprint, run, drive, etc. has a drastically larger and more meaningful impact on game play than relative HP does. I understand why the free starter LAV was removed but it was also one of the harshest and most cutting nerfs to new players ability to compete that has happened since live launch. Stripping new players of that mobility creates a slower and more frustrating form of game play and even if they are buying basic LAVs to compensate those death buggies still explode if you sneeze on them wrong thus costing the new player time and ISK neither of which they can as readily afford.
Advanced players who have more SP can sprint longer, recover faster, and sprint faster than the standard players, they can also field better vehicles, possess better uplinks, and have enhanced hacking rates. There superior speed gives them superior adaptability and that has a much more significant effect on new players than does the relative HP of dropsuits.

Re: Your #2, I've had proto since the start of the live game due to open beta play and I do not run it most of the time, more than 80% of my pub matches (which are the majority of my game play) use fits that are a mix of Militia and Standard suits and mods. Even if money were no object and I could run proto all match every match I still wouldn't because using lower meta gear is better training to make my player skills more effective for those important moments where I do run proto. Simply put I'm an object lesson in how this point doesn't hold true, just because some players might "go proto or go home" doesn't mean everyone does it, I certainly don't.

Re: #3, see the first part of my post, the problem isn't HP, or eHP it is speed. Flattening TTK (time to kill) game wide would reduce diversity and would not address the core shortfall confronting low SP characters/new players.

Now I'm going to go give those links a look.

Cheers,
Cross