Please elaborate/explain, otherwise this is just another null and rather uninformed statement of opinion.....

A respec will happen one day, I just don't think the circumstances will ever truly be in the hands of players. CCP will inevitably refresh the skill tree when new stuff comes in, perhaps lowering multipliers etc for certain skills, for which we will receive some kind of rebate.

DCUO has paid Respecs so it is not unfathomable.....but I prefer not to advocate this route. Everyone claiming "This is EVE/New Eden HTFU!!!!!" are ignorant to the fact that this is soooooooooo far removed from that..... 1st & foremost it is an FPS, partially developed with MAG associates, & that had "Earned Respecs" over time/gameplay. DUST also lacks the substance to grant it MMO status. There is no meaningful interaction between DUST & EVE. The vast majority of the skill tree is ever-changing & vastly unfinished (SP Sinks where final 2 Levels offer no unlock/bonus). Promised launch content is missing. Core functions/mechanics are either not present or buggy. Player market is unavailable to even determine value of loot. There is almost no balance or player retension incentive. Marketplace items/statistics are still disgustingly flawed. And I won't even bother mentioning how vehicle functions are punished & unrewarding b/c I could write a dissertation on this subject alone.....

Technically.....until the core mechanics, balancing foundation, PvE & other launch promised content, DUST-to-EVE & vice versa interactions, player market, vehicular function/protection, skill tree foundation to eliminate SP "Sand Traps", and even racial variants of current suits/vehicles (Including Pilot Dropsuit) are in place......we are still in BETA testing mode and it should be treated as such (Minus RESET as this would utterly kill player retension at this point.....) This all points to 1 fact.....this is not yet an MMOFPS, it is a BETA for a Lobby Shooter.

Considering the above facts/factors I would like to propose this:


Proposal Revision 1.0:

1. Upon the 1.5 Update release (Or ASAP after 1.5), 1 Mass Respec (Be it Optional or Serverwide) should be provided. Only Lifetime SP and Skill Book ISK would be refunded. Patch Notes & ingame News Ticker/Info Tab upon login should note to players that specialization in each Type (IE: Light/Medium/Heavy Dropsuit & LAV/HAV/Dropship) are finalized, and those who did not yet receive a Racial Variant will receive a Partial SP Refund when the content becomes available.

Considering this is to be a major Vehicle & other content Update (Hopefully Vehicle Racial Variants & Pilot Dropsuit included), it would clear the slate for the following functions.

Side Note: SP Sinkholes should be locked. If Level 4 & 5 still have no Unlock/Bonus associated with them by now.....then you should not be able to allocate SP past the Level where Unlocks are attained. If not possible in 1.5 then hopefully by 1.6.

2. Hopefully by this point we may have revised Battle Academy. Upon exiting Battle Academy a player should be allotted 1 SP Respec within 30 Days. An onscreen notification/reminder would pop-up, informing the player of time remaining before the Respec expiration date, making sure to note it as a 1 time only availability. This should give the player ample time to research forums, form bonds, ask questions of Adepts & Vets, gather data, and maybe even join a Corporation.

This would disable the "Punishment Factor" for the new player without diminishing the value of the traditional MMO experience.

3. Partial SP Refund as each Racial Variant is released. At this point it would only apply to those who specialized in the specific Type being provided Racial Variants at the time. This would obviously have no effect on the Medium Frame Dropsuits as they already have their Racial Variants available. Should the Pilot Suit receive no Racial Variants as of 1.5 they would receive their Partial SP Refund along with the Light Dropsuit releases. The same applies to Heavy & Commando Dropsuits respectively.

4. Upon the alteration of the Skill Tree (IE: SP Sinkholes remedied, SP Value changes, Unlock alterations & Bonus applications) there should be a Partial SP Refund to the affected Skills.

I believe this set of proposals to be the most median/acceptable compromize between the feedbacks that were provided. This is a combined effort and I thank those of you who provided valuable feedback for your time & consideration. Your feedback was well received

Knocking on 20 mill SP here and so I think I could be classified as a vet. Here's a pearl of wisdom that has been finely refined over the course of my merc career: spec into what you want to play, not FotM.

Seriously...if people did this you wouldn't need respecs. I'm full on proto gallente logibro with every single skill under DS core upgrades maxed, now I'm moving on to vehicle core upgrades and will be a gallente LLAV and LDS pilot (the power of OCD compells me to train whatever has 'logistics'on it). I have ALL of my SP 100% exactly where I want it, and I know exactly where the next 6 months of SP is going (literally, I have the list of skills ordered by priority :P). I love my merc and have no insecurity over my SP allocation.

You guys aren't getting respecs...you need to let go of this dead horse and just smarten up.

i think people have been saying that in eve for a decade...

if a respec happens today, then ccp will have to spend the next 6 weeks balancing whatever fotm gun everyone specs into, thus a waste of time.

Just because fewer people are using something seen as "OP" doesn't make it any less of a problem.

A re specialization system would go a LONG way towards identifying these items / combos, and nerfs could come quickly since people could just change it up if they weren't happy with the rebalance.

This is still a Beta build, so it should be treated as such. Our player base is far too small to stick to dreams and ignore reality.

I don't think NinjamonkeyX should be balancing vehicles either. :P Just sayin, because we already tried the method outlined by the like for a while and its gotten nowhere closer to a balanced feel of the game.

Time to gut the whole machine and start over.

As for my entire theory on how to fix vehicles would be to define the following: Role of said vehicle to match the endurance window long enough to successfully complete at the cost of a reasonable down time for doing so. That mission and based on pilot and av decisions whoever can slam the window shut (pilot escapes), or force it open (AV screws up the pilot) wins the outcome.

If you look at this extremely subjectively you'll notice this has a similarity to something already existing in Dust..

But that's just my theory, feel free to disagree with the theory with your own, because I highly doubt this whole, "tweak numbers slightly" is going to work even without a purpose. If we tweak them up too high we'll get zitro to come back, tweak them too low and you get plenty of upset pilots, there doesn't seem to be a sweet spot with skill into account. Where Meta-Skill in = power out and most of the current number tweakings I have seen suggested by pilots is to ensure that AV Meta-Skill in = power out is extremely low versus that of the the vehicles. Which is how we got to the whole zitro tank in the first place.

As for identifying things that are overpowered, CCP typically finds out real quick, after all they do track who buys what and what is killing who.

LOL.....I have a lot more experience with Vehicles & AV than most. You have no idea wtf you are doing with a lot of things.....and I have no clue whatsoever what you tried posting in your above "Theory".....Something about a Minigame I presume..... BTW "Zitro's Tank" happened b/c the Playerbase looked @ AV & said "WTF is this Non-AR piece of Sorcery???) The minute Proto AV Naders & Wyki Swarmers started popping up you could practically smell his "Rage-Face" coming from miles away. And as more Tankers went Shield-Rail the "Rage-Face" got stronger.

You are oblivious to everything around you like a Lemming on a cliffside..... Just jump already, the "Big Boys" are trying to have Grown-up Discussions here

Operators of vehicles are not engineers for vehicles.

Proof point you failed to present a counter theory let alone shoot mine my theory down.

Operators of vehicles are not engineers for vehicles.

Proof point you failed to present a counter theory let alone shoot mine my theory down.

BTW "Zitro's Tank" happened b/c the Playerbase looked @ AV & said "WTF is this Non-AR piece of Sorcery???) The minute Proto AV Naders & Wyki Swarmers started popping up you could practically smell his "Rage-Face" coming from miles away. And as more Tankers went Shield-Rail the "Rage-Face" got stronger.

Actually.....it is quite valid if you know your game genres & pricing models as DCUO is a prime example of both sides of the fence. It started out as a disc-only purchase with a subscription model with no Character/Power-Type Respecs (It had a Respec Chamber for Power Points & Skill Points only, not a Class/Type, and it cost ingame currency). Then it went Free-to-Play with Sub Option with Respec Tokens for many things.....then it just went Pure Pay-to-Win. It has seen all sides of the fence, so it is the most optimal example for this discussion since we are in fact discussing both a Subscription & Free-to-Play Model MMO.

Now you fail even more @ Reading & Comprehension.....GG Clearly I state how incomprehensible your "Theory" is. Try Re-Wording it, or flesh it out.....just do something b/c that mess of "Words" just read like a "Derp Train"..... You literally just said a bunch of random phrases, threw in some ill-placed "Tech Terms", then called it a "Mission" that has an "Outcome"??? I'm sorry.....but as this was typed, if this was presented to a Gamer Focus Group you would feel like you're in Metal Gear as "?" & "!" appears above the heads of the confused (Everyone.....)

How about this??? Don't respond to this just yet.....I'd like to run an experiment here. If ANYONE (Minus the Author IWS & Alts) understood wtf he just proposed.....please post here with your "Translations" so I may see if I'm going Senile, or if IWS is just full blown Derpy..... I'll check the replies when I wake up tomorrow. Let the games......BEGIN!!!!!!!!!

Ninja you should run for CPM, you could be the Simon of the group: smart well informed with good intensions but come of as jerk to most people and in some cases you are.

Anyway good post I read all the reply :)
+1 agreed and all that jazz (but seriously try to be nicer to the blues, they only say HTFU because they feel it makes them pro)

If a respec system was implemented, but you had to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to respec, would you do it?

/agreed

BUT I need to troll you.. It was NOT pay to win. I think it was a perfect example of free to play...then again I played on PC. Plus I may have had skills you just lacked with a mouse and keyboard :P

ok lets be honest here, if you allocated your SP correctly to begin with, meaning ALL core skills to 5, such as armor/shield upgrades, electronics/engineering, dropsuit upgrades, etc etc then you spent most of your sp on skills that give all suits a passive buff, and most people do have either a suit or weapon they skilled in with no regrets, for some , both a suit and weapon... after that it leaves what? a few mil sp that you may have flubbed?


if from the start of all these respec QQ threads began and 1.5 drops those people just saved their sp, they would have enough to skill into what they want now, pure and simple.

this negates the need for a respect period.

I know a lot of the community agrees that once this game is no longer a beta a respec may be prudent... but again by this time most of you sad pandas would have earned the sp to reskill into something you like better without needing a respec.

as far as new players are concerned, I agree 100% they should get one respec once out of the academy and maybe after earning a few mil sp. this would improve NPE 10 fold.

vehicle users are the most abused/ neglected players in the game.... but once this is fixed they wont need a respec either... until then I would say stop putting sp in vehicles... problem solved w/out a respec here too.

I thought you somewhat reasonable and comprehensible from the op but I'm genuinely not sure what you are trying to say here other than "I don't get it" regarding IWS's idea. IWS on the other hand I think I understood. Give a vehicle a dedicated task, base survivability of completing that task. Since the survivability is based on what it is supposed to do it will have to do that and get out to recover before doing it again. Vehicle vs AV game play revolves around allowing or denying the vehicle to complete it's task before going pop or being forced to retreat prematurely.

The goal seems to be to get vehicles to be purposeful while not overpowering through excessive survivability.

I think...

Also you said almost 2 days had passed but you replies seem to only be 20 hours apart. What's up with that?