DCUO is completely different from both EVE and Dust so the whole DCUO did it so dust could too, is a bad argument to start with. I'd really like to see that be removed.

Otherwise I get what you're trying to say.

So you are saying that you have trouble figuring out how the skillpoint system works.

You do know you can train multiple races of suits and you can even train both Assault AND logistics of suits, you don't need a respec to try something different, you can just train it.

also; Vets aren't the ones who benefit most from respecs, since they have enough skills to train multiple races and weapons anyway. Respecs are only nice for those who can't train a single suit up to lvl 3 with the appropriate gear and weapons.

The question is, is the skill system ineffective because we have a lack of content, or is there a lack of content because the skill system is horrible?

Or is it both? Are we stuck in a cycle of no escape?

I'd say yes. Implementing a respec system implies that the current system only needs a few changes to be worthy of the title of "the thinking man's FPS". Not so. I'd say the whole SP system needs a revamp. Something like tiercide.

A big issue I see with releasing new content is balancing it across standard/advanced/prototype tiers. This is probably why we haven't seen prototype vehicles yet, and is probably why the Sagaris/Surya were removed. They needed to be revisited to fit into their role as HAVs of the highest tier.

If tiers were flattened there would be none of his hassle and the game would expand with variation. Where now you put SP into prototype gear, with tiercide you put the same amount of SP into multiple variants of a single item, but can specialise into one variant.

Furthermore, there would be no need for respecs. This is a good thing, because we lose the feeling we're in a persistent universe if we can rectify mistakes so easily. With tiercide, since we unlock things very easily, it's possible for someone like the OP to have all items unlocked. Thing is, if you unlock everything you're still not as powerful as a newbie who has spent all of their SP specialising into one weapon. But that gap is not has big as the difference between militia to prototype that we see today.

well reasoned, an utter lack of self interest as the basis for your arguments.

bravo,

mostly i'd just like there to be no respecs promised to punish any notion of FoTM, I can see that now.

danke.

Iv allready manufacturerd the no respec t-shirts so huh no. Good post. But need to understand they can cross train. HOWVER I am for unlimited respecs until u pass 5mill mark so u can learn what everything does and change ur mind if u Made a mistake

Knocking on 20 mill SP here and so I think I could be classified as a vet. Here's a pearl of wisdom that has been finely refined over the course of my merc career: spec into what you want to play, not FotM.

Seriously...if people did this you wouldn't need respecs. I'm full on proto gallente logibro with every single skill under DS core upgrades maxed, now I'm moving on to vehicle core upgrades and will be a gallente LLAV and LDS pilot (the power of OCD compells me to train whatever has 'logistics'on it). I have ALL of my SP 100% exactly where I want it, and I know exactly where the next 6 months of SP is going (literally, I have the list of skills ordered by priority :P). I love my merc and have no insecurity over my SP allocation.

You guys aren't getting respecs...you need to let go of this dead horse and just smarten up.

"I don't think this game is good enough yet" is a false dilemma. CCP doesn't have to be apologetic, not even to you.

I'm OK with a respec a year, but it absolutely must cost Aurum. It would be like an optional subscription fee and everyone who doesn't have the patience to save up SP could at least put some money into this project. Plus, like you pointed out it would punish everyone who went FoTM in a month's time. Also it would be similar enough to Eve's attribute system.

I don't understand how you have 22 mil SP and haven't figured out what you like. It sounds to me like you just want to train something to 5 RIGHT NOW, just like all the scrubs do. That is perfectly understandable, even I'll admit that grinding is a pain in the ass. However, it isn't exactly fair or noble. To someone like me with half your skill points that has invested them patiently, put in a lot of time in playing games, and spent a good amount of money in boosters, it really does take a huge amount of meaning out of this game. At your level you should know what kind of advantage you would gain. In fact I'm sure you do.

Just play a few matches. Damn. Protostomp if you must.

Because of your corp obligatory 10/10 if troll.

I say partial respecs at least for those people who miss out of upcoming options. Like Heavies getting respecs due to only having the option of Amarr when the other suits come. Its only fair when us meduim suit users got plenty of options when the respec came as opposed to heavies and scouts.

@OP:

Although I agree with your several points, most importantly concerning DUST being an unfinished product which will probably see some major changes/balances in the future, the general idea of giving regular respecs to players is bad. While it would certainly help new players to learn the ropes and give them a chance to try out different roles / playstyles, it would completely kill the "character development" concept of the game, including the "decisions matter" part.

So, with respect to that, here's my suggestion:
Every new created character gets, say, 3 respecs from day one. He can use them any time they choose, but they have to be spent until a certain SP cap is reached (10M SP?). If you still have respecs left when you hit the cap, you are allowed one last respec, and that's it.

Here's my reasoning:
Since making wrong decisions regarding SP investment can definitely be painful to new players, it shouldn't be as painful to those with significant SP pools. I'm speaking from my EVE experience here. At the current stage of my EVE character development (>120M SP), it doesn't really bother me whether CCP buffs or nerfs any ship (or entire class of ships). As far as subcapital ships are concerned, I can fly them all, with almost perfect skills.

So, respecs give new players the option to try out different playstyles before committing to any one specific. But once you reach a certain point, you have enough experience (both as a player and SP-wise) to know what you want, and how to get to it. At that point, you should have adequate skills to be reasonably competitive with at least one loadout (meaning, proto suit, weapons and gear), and have decently trained core skills so that if you change your mind for any reason, you can crosstrain in a reasonably short time.

Specialisation will mainly occur through passive skill bonuses and picking a variant of a weapon. So instead of picking an assault rifle because you like mid-range combat, there will be a variant with a red dot sight in exchange for less hipfire accuracy so you are truly specialised into mid-range combat, but have a weakness at CQC. At the moment, there is NO weakness going up in tiers for dropsuit items. A GEK is overall better than the standard AR. Tiercide implements strengths, but also weaknesses.

Also, I forgot to mention that modules will retain maybe 2 tiers, or stay how they are. So yes, it's not true tiercide. (note: this model for tiercide is simply what is the most supported by the community at the moment.)

This essentially means some people will still have an advantage over others, but yes, it'll be a little less pronounced than the advantage currently. This is to satisfy those who want to have a clear advantage over newbies because they've played for longer (which I feel is a little selfish, but that's pure opinion) but also so that newbies can get into the game without being separated in an Academy which totally defeats the meaning of persistent universe as well.

DUST will never be a finished product like EVE will never be a finished product so having an "unfinished" game isn't a good argument.

Refunding SP will not help with enjoyment, player retention, or entice new players to start and stay. Refunding will only make the game seem different for a short while and the same cycle of boredom will continue. Our problem is lack of content. All racial suits, weapons and vehicles would solve many problems. PvE is another major step to keeping players around.

Flavor of the month builds will always be here and our job as players is to provide feedback that can be used to help ensure that the fotm is not op. Flavors are good and show that the community is able to adapt and learn what is good.

Tiericide was used in EVE to bring ships of the same size more in line with each other and allow lower SP pilots to fly a different ship in the same tech level. Instead of having to wait to level 5 skills to fly a frigate one can now fly any t1 frigate with lvl 1 skill and then the pilot can put more SP into that ship type to make it better.

This game isn't that difficult to learn and almost all information is available in the description of the item or skill. EVE's skill sets make this game look like pacman and if someone was to ask for a respec they would be laughed out of the game. This is CCP's game and their vision, we we invited to play and provide feedback to help progress and better the game not fundamentally change it by brow beating developers into changes that we want. This game will never be as popular as many other fps because it is different. They didn't add zombies and calm it new or and better sounds and make you pay $60 again.

The only things that will draw players in and keep us here is good content. No other gimmick is going to work because the people who want this game don't want another bland, pointless and repetitive shooter. We have that now and it sucks. We want something different.

Want to make this game better? Then provide positive feedback that actually addresses a problem instated of a one sentence post calling CCP stupid. Play the stupid game and have fun. Skill into what you like not what is the best at the moment. Expect nerfs and buffs. Realize the game will never be finished and that there is no "end game" so complaining about how the game is unfinished is like complaining about water being wet.

Content, content, and more content is what is needed. Everything else will work out later if we have something to do. Stagnation and boredom is killing us and nothing else. Buffs and nerfs do not change the player count and the reallocation of SP will only help for a few days and long winded diatribes like this one do very little.

Play for fun and play other games, this isn't a second job. The game has seen marked improvement in every area and we are just now getting to the good stuff, let's not screw it up by changing our focus onto a gimmick that will not help us in the long run.

If I research until I understand a product that I'm putting money into, and then spend an exorbitant amount of time learning that product in and out so that I can execute it to mastery I am a terrible consumer

Oh huh the reviews for this baby carriage are awful and the company that makes it is not very reputable for putting out quality products and because buying a baby carriage is of the equivalent level of importance to what I do in a free-to-play game I asked around and everyone tells me not to buy it I will go with another product instead. My child isn't dead and and as an ironically morbid metaphor my online video game character is happy and well off.

It is a matter of responsibility, but I suppose people who play video games aren't expected to have a lot of it.

I am STILL laughing at "intellectually lacking". It's like I'm in middle school again.

Edit: I responded to 1 and 2 in my first sentence.

"The benefit of a respec is that everyone can spec into/out of FoTM immediately, and I (the average merc) don't have to worry that I didn't think ahead and conserve SP before I do it myself."

This man is your god.

DCUO maxes out at 16 hours game time, argument example entirely invalid.

Respecs are offered as they're more convenient to not hassel a player to not start a new character to experience the game in another fashion.

If CCP deem a respec necessary due to skill tree revamp etc, that's fine. What isn't is short sighted noobs speccing into short sighted areas that they don't really care for (FotM). The lack of dropsuit variants is part and parcel of being into a game that is a work in progress. If you wanta completed product, go buy a retail FPS game, CCP doesn't owe you anything.

Well, I'm a happy merc, you're not...so I win. With each game I move further along with my training goals while you sit here hoping for that which will probably not happen (though you may catch a lucky break via CCP warranting respec).

Also, I have been here since E3 build.

Don't u realize this will kill the game ?

I use boosters i like to train stuff to level 3 then use the aurum mods for proto until i decide if i really like it .

If i get a respec i can guarantee that i will never spend another penny on aurum why would i ???

I have now twenty million skill points enough to max out any role and i know exactly which guns i prefer to use .

So why would i use aurum ?

Also what u are suggesting takes away from any sense of accomplishment for getting new gear for me .

DCUO maxes out at 16 hours game time, argument example entirely invalid.

Respecs are offered as they're more convenient to not hassel a player to not start a new character to experience the game in another fashion.

The thing is i am still very much against a respec its just not how i want the game to be and i imagine i am not the only one .

This is one of the most sensible and constructive arguments for respec that i have seen but i still don't want it !

So how will we ever reach a collective agreement ?


I appreciate your appreciation

there should be a respec once all the racial tanks/vehicles/suits are in. you were force to skill up into a very limited amount of content which does not promote variety at all and makes balance a serious problem.

how are you going to balance stuff out quickly when everyone has skilled in almost the same stuff?

I'm going to put what you said in the way that I understood it.

"I refuse to take responsibility for my actions if another party is involved. I fall for the hype and marketing and therefore everyone else must have as well; therefore those who had the foresight to not be as gullible as I should feel just as entitled when my actions prove to be wrong. If they don't then clearly they are clearly the ones who were shortsighted, nay, blind because my perspective in perfectly justifiable. Allow me to use an example involving horse blinders, because narrowing a horse's field of view is the equivalent to being a responsible consumer. Don't those responsible consumers realize that the entitled ones are willing to break the system to my...er their advantage? If only the horse knew just how far you could stretch the world he's been given."

I don't really understand this part. Something about Eve and then **** sucking? How did you get here from horse analogies? Besides I haven't played Eve in 2 months. I've been playing Dust. And apparently sucking CCP's **** by doing so. Sorry that I've invested serious time and effort into this game and I don't want to see it devalued.

I stated that you created the false dilemma of CCP owing you a respec in points 1 and 2 of your OP. You did. CCP never said anything about players getting respecs when new content comes out. And respecs aren't required to make this game "complete". But apparently "I'm just going to say that your point isn't valid, so therefore it isn't." SMILEY FACE

This is so fcking dumb. Respecs will give you (the vet) an unfair advantage and devalue SP. This game was not specifically made for NInjanomix, and it doesn't have to cater to you. It doesn't matter if respecs would make it "easier" or in your opinion "more correct". How do you not understand this? Do you buy "as seen on TV" products? No, they have a reputation for being cheap and short-lived. Do you buy new clothing and wear it for a week before you realize you don't have money for gas, so you return the clothes? No you plan a budget and priortize. Do you go to restaurant and eat your entire meal and then ask for your money back because you didn't like it? No, you order carefully then inspect your food upon arrival to see if it was properly prepared. Do you honestly believe that not owning up and paying like everyone else makes you more intelligent or open-minded?


Fixed this for you. Fckin inspirational man. Make this your signature.

Dust does offer alts though because in all theory, that new alt isn't your main character as a person. He did not graduate from the Caldari Army Academy, he did not take up the caldari logistics he certainly didn't make the mistake of training on how to use flaylocks. Your main character however regrets his life decisions but has to live with them. Maybe one day a new hardware update goes out and improves the Logistics performance, maybe the arms race will lead to the flay lock getting useful again. Maybe you will be inspired to stay by the caldari side despite the betrayal when the gallente go apeshit on the caldari again.

While the OP has written a fine post, one that I could almost get behind, ^^ this man has returned me to my senses. Great reply Cardinal.

Wow...some big words there for a 13 year old.

How dare I not agree with you. If I offer a dissenting opinion then my feedback is not welcome. Everyone who agrees with you however gets a gold star. I can see why you're so convincing. You should get into politics. I did

Talking down to people is a good tactic, especially on the internet where nobody can smack you for it. However, it loses its power when used over and over, especially when out of place. You asked for these people's feedback on your proposal, and they gave it. SURPRISE! Not everyone wants to lose their hard work so you can spec FoTM.

If you don't want to get negative feedback, you probably shoudn't post about something controversial like this. Make a daily shtpost how stupid people sound when they want nerfs or buffs to weapons. That's what I do

I invite you to come to this thread I made in response to yours, which I will be aptly bumping.

Cheers. I was hoping it wouldn't come to this.

respecs can only exacerbate the problems, and waste more time in development. no respecs. ever.

Well OP, you started out with one of the stronger arguments for respecs, though that's a low bar to clear considering most of them are of the "WTF?! WIN BUTON NO WORK!1!! MOAR RESPECTS!!!!1!!!11!!" variety.

However, as more and more people disagree with you, admittedly many with pretty poor counter-arguments, you have degenerated into more standard you disagree with me, your argument is invalid/petty insult territory. *sigh*
Despite this I'll take a stab at a coherent counter-argument anyway. Not sure why I need to do this for the 4th or 5th time, this topic is well past being tired, but whatever.
Some background: I'm at about 10 mil SP. I did not go into any FOTM's but would totally benefit from a respec because I spent some of my early SP unwisely. For that reason I totally support a respec at some low SP number, I guess 5 million as someone else proposed is fine, I guess you could really pick any number in that range and it would be OK. I also think at least a partial respec is due when the pilot or other racial variants of suits come out or other similar major changes to the skill tree are made. If someone proposes an aurum respec every year, I'm not all for it but I guess I could be talked into it. I can't remember who it was, but I completely agree with the person who said they just felt like Dust shouldn't be that way. It's not so much a HTFU kind of thing, it just feels incongruous with the whole vibe of the game. So, on to your original 3 steps:


#1: You don't give much argument in favor of this in the initial post, which is good because it's ludicrous. You do mention that it "may" be true that you will get more FOTM, but those people are hurting only themselves. First off, it's "will", not "may". I take serious issue with the suggestion that those people are only hurting themselves. How is that, exactly? They get an OP weapon to wipe everyone out and rack up kills and WP. Oh, right, they hurt themselves because when the weapon gets nerfed they have wasted all that time and SP and will have to go into another..... Oh wait, no they don't because all they have to do is wait a month and they get to respec and put all those SP into the new FOTM and do it all over again! How is this hurting the FOTM chaser, exactly?

#2: Your example makes sense but honestly would not be the majority of battles by a longshot. There just aren't that many people running in cohesive squads while also using a wide variety of equipment. Also, the whole reason things are considered OP FOTM is because there is no obvious counter to them in the majority of situations. That said, I already support a respec when major changes are made so no big deal here.

#3 seems a little redundant, if you offer respecs at a certain (i.e., 5 mil SP) level it obviates your proposal. Still on the fence about annual respecs but definitely don't think they should be free and bankable.

In all seriousness, call it a cliche if you want, but I just think that choices should matter. In instances like heavy suits, where we are being forced to make a false choice, sure, that deserves a respec to compensate. But otherwise, I don't think they are a good idea.

Then why are so many respeccers so opposed to an untrainer boosters? That is something we can almost give away every month easily verses a full respec?

Meh I really wasn't trolling. I was completely serious...and my arguement was essentially the same as the last post, albeit John Demonsbane was able to sum his up quite a bit better. And you weren't being "negative". You were showing everyone that you truly could not be rational. As I pointed out, everyone who agreed with you in the slightest you gave a pat on the ass, and everyone who disagreed you insulted and rejected their feedback. Still after your post has been buried, you refuse to acknowledge that your ideas were possibly rejectable and the best you can do is insult again.

In fact you do this in every single post you reply to. If you disagree you just insult them and call them trolls.

And if anything this thread gave me a chuckle or two and something to these last couple days. I did that all 100% straight faced. I only respond because this does kind of push my buttons. I don't like being called a troll for being lighthearted.

I'm glad that this last response helped you calm down and try your best to save yourself.

There are more than one proposals out for that booster though.

Should take a third slot instead and be effective for one whole skill level unlike traditional boosters, each booster has a 'sp limit' instead so they would be tiered off into various multipliers and skill levels. Selecting the skill for un-training in the skill window only brings up the purchase of the one to do the job completely.

overall IMO all booster prices need to be cut down by anywhere from 1/2 of current to 1/4th

Untrainer boosters being the absolute cheapest of them.

Third slot should also allow for 'spike' boosters that increase the SP spent into a category and also has an SP limit and should not be aurum purchasable but droppable from EOM instead. Or alternatively an active booster that's based on skill points alone.

Hell while we are at it lets throw in more weaker boosters that drop from battle as well like a 12hr passive booster or a salvaged active booster that only gives 1.25 instead of 1.5 bonus. .

Here you go. I don't really know why I still care...but I should explain myself.

First sentence: you've created a false dilemma as the basis for your argument. My "two cents" response. Not trolling.

Second sentence: Yeah, that's an ad hominem. My bad. Not a troll, though.

Third and fourth sentences: I'm trying to see things your way. Not a troll.

Fifth and sixth sentences: Why I don't see this your way/my argument. Not a troll.

Seventh sentence: Ad hominem. My bad. Couldn't resist. Remember how I said talking down is powerful?

Eighth sentence: My solution for you. Guess I should've been more specific (guess I should've coddled you).

Last sentence: Yep. This ad hominem is intentional. You want to look like an ass hang out with some of them.

I guess you did troll me. Congrats. You got me to dissect my own argument a hundred times and bump your post in the process. I didn't mind. I hope it brings attention to this so that CCP can tell us whether or not we're getting a respec. That way I can write stuff down so I put all my points back where they were and head out to fight some FoTMers.

Sigh...moral high ground? For being straightforward? Remember when I accused you of "I'm just gonna say your argument is invalid and therefore it is"? You are very guilty of this. In fact, its kinda all you do. Doesn't work here, man. Or at least it shouldn't...

Disagreeing with you doesn't qualify me for the title of "fanboy". Also "Claims" and "Logic" were amusing to me. 10/10. Maybe I should have included something along the lines of "whenever CCP decides to get around to it" to get a pat on the ass from you. Being edgy over a video game is just as bad as being a fanboy.

Now that this petty insult fight is over with, what do you have against Ironwolf (or CPM 0 for that matter), anyway?

Edit: Racism? You can't be serious.

I love you and miss you ninja. Hmu on Skype or something. This post was great. I'd you don't have a Skype then get at me another way.<33 talk to you later honey boo boo chil'.

having spent the day playing EvE, and away from the forums, I would like to think that i am ready to add more. I am however a little tired, so I am going to attempt to hold back from any emotional precipices.

Firstly, Ninja, you tend to be heavily critical of anyone that disagrees with you, if you want something discussed, that is not the way to go about it. As the OP you are the host.

Your original post was a fresh coat of paint on what has become a never ending rehash of the same demand. As others have said of the original post, it is well written and reasoned, I felt that there was an optimism presented.

This of course must be offset by your at times harsh critique of other members of the community.


Back OT though:
IMHO, DUST is not best served by frequent respecs. I feel that you almost agree on this point. The skill system in DUST is one of growth, a journey from a fresh merc, through the forge of countless battles, towards an indistinct future as a warrior of many talents and strengths, although it is not an MMO, the DUST system, is entirely reminiscent of the Elder Scrolls. Allowing players to break this pattern of battle and growth, and instead Matrix style download entire skill sets creates an entirely different game.
Adaptability is earnt in New Eden.
Having said that, CCP may decide that a respec is needed to allow for changes to the Skill Tree. The biggest danger when looking at balance is always at the point where a respec is given. New suit options, new weapon options will be big draws, skewing incidental data. Over the longer haul it doesn't matter though, except that for slow SP gainers the original choices will last all the longer, and longer again the deeper they went into those skills. As is mentioned in this thread iirc(yes I am that tired), and elsewhere on these forums, lv5 (proto) is simply not needed in most circumstances, Advanced level (lvl3) gear appears to be the metric.

Alleviating buyers remorse by instituting regular respecs creates a culture where choices no longer matter. You address this concern by advising that respecs should be parceled out on an annual basis. I must have it noted here though that just under a million SP is gained thru passive SP every month, so that around 9.6 million SP a year is about the minimum for a character on Passive gains. Played almost entirely not at all, at 5 games a week, a character would net about another million every year, if i am not mistaken.

I bring these numbers up simply to say that an annual respec shouldn't be needed, if you look at a minimally played character as gaining a new role for every anum that they fairly much Didn't play.



When i first read your OP, I felt very swayed towards the idea of a respec system, but I must say that having read the entire thread, there have been some good arguments against the idea of continuing respecs, enough that for myself, I feel that my original stance holds credence.

At the end of the day, having played EvE for as little as i have, I have decided to trust CCP as a game developer. Whatever they decide to do with DUST, I am sure that it will have an internal logic and structure that fits with their vision of how New Eden works. Whether or not I continue to play either game depends on many factors, not the least of which is whether these games continue to entertain or captivate me. Should I find that I no longer wish to play either game, then I would most likely find that I have either already stopped playing it, or going by previous games, that I shall continue till i find another game to replace it, such is the games industry and developers know it. There are not many developers lucky enough to have hard core fans, and those that do could do worse than to encourage such behavior.
Criticizing a portion of DUST's community because they also play EvE might get a few short sighted cheers, but of all the community, those most likely to stick around thru all the hard times earning more then passive SP, till the game is finally of such note as its elder sibling, will be those that share the belief that CCP has somewhat of a clue of what they are doing, and what they wish to achieve with this game.

Not everything needs to be cookie cutter.

I should probably get some sleep now, i think i am getting grumpy over nothing

I don't think NinjamonkeyX should be balancing vehicles either. :P Just sayin, because we already tried the method outlined by the like for a while and its gotten nowhere closer to a balanced feel of the game.

Time to gut the whole machine and start over.

As for my entire theory on how to fix vehicles would be to define the following: Role of said vehicle to match the endurance window long enough to successfully complete at the cost of a reasonable down time for doing so. That mission and based on pilot and av decisions whoever can slam the window shut (pilot escapes), or force it open (AV screws up the pilot) wins the outcome.

If you look at this extremely subjectively you'll notice this has a similarity to something already existing in Dust..

But that's just my theory, feel free to disagree with the theory with your own, because I highly doubt this whole, "tweak numbers slightly" is going to work even without a purpose. If we tweak them up too high we'll get zitro to come back, tweak them too low and you get plenty of upset pilots, there doesn't seem to be a sweet spot with skill into account. Where Meta-Skill in = power out and most of the current number tweakings I have seen suggested by pilots is to ensure that AV Meta-Skill in = power out is extremely low versus that of the the vehicles. Which is how we got to the whole zitro tank in the first place.

As for identifying things that are overpowered, CCP typically finds out real quick, after all they do track who buys what and what is killing who.

Operators of vehicles are not engineers for vehicles.

Proof point you failed to present a counter theory let alone shoot mine my theory down.

Operators of vehicles are not engineers for vehicles.

Proof point you failed to present a counter theory let alone shoot mine my theory down.

Ninja you should run for CPM, you could be the Simon of the group: smart well informed with good intensions but come of as jerk to most people and in some cases you are.

Anyway good post I read all the reply :)
+1 agreed and all that jazz (but seriously try to be nicer to the blues, they only say HTFU because they feel it makes them pro)

If a respec system was implemented, but you had to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP to respec, would you do it?

/agreed

BUT I need to troll you.. It was NOT pay to win. I think it was a perfect example of free to play...then again I played on PC. Plus I may have had skills you just lacked with a mouse and keyboard :P

ok lets be honest here, if you allocated your SP correctly to begin with, meaning ALL core skills to 5, such as armor/shield upgrades, electronics/engineering, dropsuit upgrades, etc etc then you spent most of your sp on skills that give all suits a passive buff, and most people do have either a suit or weapon they skilled in with no regrets, for some , both a suit and weapon... after that it leaves what? a few mil sp that you may have flubbed?


if from the start of all these respec QQ threads began and 1.5 drops those people just saved their sp, they would have enough to skill into what they want now, pure and simple.

this negates the need for a respect period.

I know a lot of the community agrees that once this game is no longer a beta a respec may be prudent... but again by this time most of you sad pandas would have earned the sp to reskill into something you like better without needing a respec.

as far as new players are concerned, I agree 100% they should get one respec once out of the academy and maybe after earning a few mil sp. this would improve NPE 10 fold.

vehicle users are the most abused/ neglected players in the game.... but once this is fixed they wont need a respec either... until then I would say stop putting sp in vehicles... problem solved w/out a respec here too.

I thought you somewhat reasonable and comprehensible from the op but I'm genuinely not sure what you are trying to say here other than "I don't get it" regarding IWS's idea. IWS on the other hand I think I understood. Give a vehicle a dedicated task, base survivability of completing that task. Since the survivability is based on what it is supposed to do it will have to do that and get out to recover before doing it again. Vehicle vs AV game play revolves around allowing or denying the vehicle to complete it's task before going pop or being forced to retreat prematurely.

The goal seems to be to get vehicles to be purposeful while not overpowering through excessive survivability.

I think...

Also you said almost 2 days had passed but you replies seem to only be 20 hours apart. What's up with that?