If you have an issue...grab a tissue...

This is just a reflection on what I came to DUST looking for and how it has so far failed to accomplish. It had the potential of AAA in concept, but the execution was D-listers running the show and the proof is the state of the game now. I can think of three features that were uniquely DUST 514 that made it worthy of attention and honestly, connection to eve wasn't one of them. That was always a gimmick.

1) Multiple genres of game modes, all with a persistent character

You had promises of the same "merc" hoping between npc missions, horde defense, arena battles, territory management, and promises for more over time, all with a character that persisted. A simple parallel is if CoD single player, multiplayer, spec ops, and zombies all shared the same character with rewards from winning granting progression in all, not just one


2) Infinite map variation

The promise of never having the same fight twice. We were told to expect PGE maps, player selected facilities tied to the importance of the map, player designed defenses, even radically different environments. None of that happened, laughably DUST has less unique map area, let alone detail, than a typical CoD fare - don't even bother comparing to BF3 or PS2 (area being literal by the way).

3) Deep, tactical FPS mechanics


Capacitor, overheating, ammo types, 5 types of ewar, remote repairing, resists vs health vs regen ... all were pitched as uniquely DUST takes on the FPS genre. And best of all, we were expecting to be able to mix them up, classless customization. In the end, CoD: BO2 has more meaningful customization, and usable equipment before you even touch on the kill-streaks. After all, the OBs were always about appeasement to EVE, to mollify all the money funneled from the sub fees.


As it stands now, DUST is just DPS and HP, weapons are silly easy to control (but too much RBS), and none of the deeper combat, tactical, nor stategic options are there. PS2 has cloaks, jetpacks, turrets, overshields, hots, explosives, sensors ... the tactical choices in DUST 514 are spartan compared to CoD, let alone the real genre competition for MMOFPS. And what we have to look forward to is ... fixed aiming and balanced weapons, assuming everything goes perfectly for once.

So without even the failure of EVE interaction, DUST doesn't even ASPIRE to live up to what made it "the game to watch" since 2009 and that makes me sad. A BF2142 third-rate knock-off with less depth and polish and a wholly unsustainable monetization scheme.

Can DUST aspire to greatness again? All I see is plans to continue down the "me-too" path. I challenge you to all to show evidence (not speculation or wishful thinking) that it may yet become a unique game worth playing.

TL;DR

Welcome to CCP


You think DUST is bad. You should have seen the massive five or so year FAIL of Walking In Stations that became Incarna. Slick advertising and promises that did not produce results.

EVE players saw this FAIL coming from a mile away. I consider EVE development to be largely FAIL. Shiny graphics but little in the way of the immersive gameplay they like to market.

CCP is good at making animated ad movies. That is all.

1. At this point telling anybody to leave the game is foolish... oh you're trying to be cool

2. CCP says a lot of things

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Winner of Closed Beta Tester Tournament
Winner of Eve/Dust 514 PvP Fanfest Tournament

KDR > EVERYTHING

Meh. I don't care. I still like this game.

It's gonna get better over time. Slowly, but surely.

Besides I knew they weren't going to hold fast to all the promises they made. Nobody ever does. Believing they would was your first mistake and that is why you feel the way you do. Now I know you're gonna be lke "so now I just have to expect things to be less than they are?" but yeah It's just the unfortunate reality of the world.

Have fun.

Meh. I don't care. I still like this game.

It's gonna get better over time. Slowly, but surely.

Besides I knew they weren't going to hold fast to all the promises they made. Nobody ever does. Believing they would was your first mistake and that is why you feel the way you do. Now I know you're gonna be lke "so now I just have to expect things to be less than they are?" but yeah It's just the unfortunate reality of the world.

Have fun.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT, WRONG!!!!! Hideo Kojima promises & delivers. Hope to not see you on MGS5.......HEATHEN!!!!!!!!!

The point of this thread is that CCP failed to deliver ANY of its promises...

It's nice that you "like" the game though.

Hope to not see you on MGS5

The point in my response is that I don't know what you expected.

I do "like" the game. Quote end quote

Besides this topic comes up every other day.

Actually read the OP and you'll know exactly what many many people expected.

So far your drive by comment that doesn't respond to the OP isn't worth much.

I read the entire OP. Sorry that I didn't fervently coddle him and praise his unique and original point.

I also apologize for not making my '2 cents' input a long-winded, carefully crafted rebuttal.

Here's another bump, OP. For the record I agree with you, but love of the Eve universe keeps me interested regardless. I don't particularly care where CCP decides to take this game in the future. I just hope I'm not the only one still playing.

Actually it was an open ended question. I'm far more interested in what you think DUST is supposed to be than anyone's analysis of what it is today, because that is a beaten to death topic. Is a game with guns that says CCP somewhere in the credits the sum total of what it means to be DUST 514 to you? Or is there more to it than that, even if the original promises are gone?

I don't want a "unique first-person shooter experience", mostly because in 2013 there's no such thing. Dust is at best a 7/10 shooter, and at worst a buggy piece of free-to-play shovelware. It's gonna be like this 2, 5, 10 years from now.

CCP should refocus from this "unique FPS game" concept and focus on what the real purpose of this game is, which is to be a fully integrated part of EVE ONLINE. I want more and more and more Eve-to-Dust interactivity and functionality. The idea was supposed to be to make Dust and Eve 100% synonymous, and that is what I want the short/mid to long term goal to be.

I don't care what they decide to do with the overall meta of Dust 514, and putting in all this gimmicky crap you listed like infinite maps and ewar/capacitor mechanics would be nice and pretty and marketable but should really be on the backburner. All of that should be written down somewhere and put in a folder called "possible expansions in 5 years".

Their short term goal should be to completely fill the game with content within everyone's attention spans so that everyone can be at least mildly entertained, obviously making sure it all works in the process. All racial varieties of all weapons/vehicles/dropsuits of all variations etc. so they can at least keep the Eve-like customization gimmick that they can't really market because everyone is expecting/accustomed to customization systems like the one in COD:BO2. That way it can at the very least be a challenging play-for-fun-with-internet-friends shooter until they put in the whole "you're a merc fighting alongside capsuleers" concept me and other Eve players are waiting for.

In the meantime you and I should kick back and enjoy this relatively shallow shooter by meeting corps and creating alliances and ignoring everyone who thinks that CCPs prorities should revolve around changing DPS and HP statistics. If it's really bothering you (not directly you, OP, mostly all of the gripers) that this game is paper-thin, then COD:BO2 just released a new map pack my little brother tells me is pretty good. Also Planetside 2 (another paper-thin game) is going to be free-to-play on PS4, and that's right around the corner. That should entertain you long enough for this game to be seriously significant.

There is my 2 cents. I hope that is a worthy answer to your question.

Um, where to begin. This is an honestly frightening answer. You leave me flabbergasted with tons of questions.

If you want EVE and DUST to be synonomous, and the gunplay means absolutely nothing to you, why should DUST exist at all? All the territory conquest could be done with new spaceships and EVE mechanics. Please tell me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be saying you want integration for integration's sake, without any definition of what gameplay that actually produces.

Get in skype you scrub

This is just a reflection on what I came to DUST looking for and how it has so far failed to accomplish. It had the potential of AAA in concept, but the execution was D-listers running the show and the proof is the state of the game now. I can think of three features that were uniquely DUST 514 that made it worthy of attention and honestly, connection to eve wasn't one of them. That was always a gimmick.

1) Multiple genres of game modes, all with a persistent character

You had promises of the same "merc" hoping between npc missions, horde defense, arena battles, territory management, and promises for more over time, all with a character that persisted. A simple parallel is if CoD single player, multiplayer, spec ops, and zombies all shared the same character with rewards from winning granting progression in all, not just one


2) Infinite map variation

The promise of never having the same fight twice. We were told to expect PGE maps, player selected facilities tied to the importance of the map, player designed defenses, even radically different environments. None of that happened, laughably DUST has less unique map area, let alone detail, than a typical CoD fare - don't even bother comparing to BF3 or PS2 (area being literal by the way).

3) Deep, tactical FPS mechanics


Capacitor, overheating, ammo types, 5 types of ewar, remote repairing, resists vs health vs regen ... all were pitched as uniquely DUST takes on the FPS genre. And best of all, we were expecting to be able to mix them up, classless customization. In the end, CoD: BO2 has more meaningful customization, and usable equipment before you even touch on the kill-streaks. After all, the OBs were always about appeasement to EVE, to mollify all the money funneled from the sub fees.


As it stands now, DUST is just DPS and HP, weapons are silly easy to control (but too much RBS), and none of the deeper combat, tactical, nor stategic options are there. PS2 has cloaks, jetpacks, turrets, overshields, hots, explosives, sensors ... the tactical choices in DUST 514 are spartan compared to CoD, let alone the real genre competition for MMOFPS. And what we have to look forward to is ... fixed aiming and balanced weapons, assuming everything goes perfectly for once.

So without even the failure of EVE interaction, DUST doesn't even ASPIRE to live up to what made it "the game to watch" since 2009 and that makes me sad. A BF2142 third-rate knock-off with less depth and polish and a wholly unsustainable monetization scheme.

Can DUST aspire to greatness again? All I see is plans to continue down the "me-too" path. I challenge you to all to show evidence (not speculation or wishful thinking) that it may yet become a unique game worth playing.

I did. I play PS2 on TR Connery for the time being; unsure if I will hop onto PS4 in the end but looks likely. The dev-player relationship is night and day, at least right now. Thing was a year ago it was opposite. PS2 was bland and spartan, DUST was fresh and unique and good dev communication. Things have changed once, mayhaps they change again.

Ultimately CCP as a studio has recieved more money than ANY other company in history from me, and I don't want to be accessory to waste. So I still chime in with insights and analysis hoping it helps. So I'm hopelessly naive I suppose

That is your reply? Blind faith or GTFO? It is deliberately a trap statement; there is no rational dialogue that can follow by accepting your premise as reasonable.

I don't think he's saying you should have blind faith, I think he's pointing out the fact that you seem to have none at all.

You have, however, addressed an even more important point that there seem to be only two acceptable viewpoints on this game:

Blind Faith.

No Faith.

Life is full of shades of gray, people. Is it really that hard to keep it to the middle?

I don't think he's saying you should have blind faith, I think he's pointing out the fact that you seem to have none at all.

You have, however, addressed an even more important point that there seem to be only two acceptable viewpoints on this game:

Blind Faith.

No Faith.

Life is full of shades of gray, people. Is it really that hard to keep it to the middle?

... Actually it was an open ended question. I'm far more interested in what you think DUST is supposed to be than anyone's analysis of what it is today, because that is a beaten to death topic. Is a game with guns that says CCP somewhere in the credits the sum total of what it means to be DUST 514 to you? Or is there more to it than that, even if the original promises are gone?

This is just a reflection on what I came to DUST looking for and how it has so far failed to accomplish. It had the potential of AAA in concept, but the execution was D-listers running the show and the proof is the state of the game now. I can think of three features that were uniquely DUST 514 that made it worthy of attention and honestly, connection to eve wasn't one of them. That was always a gimmick.

1) Multiple genres of game modes, all with a persistent character

You had promises of the same "merc" hoping between npc missions, horde defense, arena battles, territory management, and promises for more over time, all with a character that persisted. A simple parallel is if CoD single player, multiplayer, spec ops, and zombies all shared the same character with rewards from winning granting progression in all, not just one


2) Infinite map variation

The promise of never having the same fight twice. We were told to expect PGE maps, player selected facilities tied to the importance of the map, player designed defenses, even radically different environments. None of that happened, laughably DUST has less unique map area, let alone detail, than a typical CoD fare - don't even bother comparing to BF3 or PS2 (area being literal by the way).

3) Deep, tactical FPS mechanics


Capacitor, overheating, ammo types, 5 types of ewar, remote repairing, resists vs health vs regen ... all were pitched as uniquely DUST takes on the FPS genre. And best of all, we were expecting to be able to mix them up, classless customization. In the end, CoD: BO2 has more meaningful customization, and usable equipment before you even touch on the kill-streaks. After all, the OBs were always about appeasement to EVE, to mollify all the money funneled from the sub fees.


As it stands now, DUST is just DPS and HP, weapons are silly easy to control (but too much RBS), and none of the deeper combat, tactical, nor stategic options are there. PS2 has cloaks, jetpacks, turrets, overshields, hots, explosives, sensors ... the tactical choices in DUST 514 are spartan compared to CoD, let alone the real genre competition for MMOFPS. And what we have to look forward to is ... fixed aiming and balanced weapons, assuming everything goes perfectly for once.

So without even the failure of EVE interaction, DUST doesn't even ASPIRE to live up to what made it "the game to watch" since 2009 and that makes me sad. A BF2142 third-rate knock-off with less depth and polish and a wholly unsustainable monetization scheme.

Can DUST aspire to greatness again? All I see is plans to continue down the "me-too" path. I challenge you to all to show evidence (not speculation or wishful thinking) that it may yet become a unique game worth playing.