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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Ascifi Ogrop wrote:

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Okay my turn now.

I'm so amazed by the self righteous reaction i see both here and on twitter... Oh the rules, THE RULES. Incredible how we hear about them only when some loses.

To clarify one thing. Some called us cheaters. Like we intentionally decided to wrong the game. Thing is we played with..... Drums Rolling.... WTFR players. Yes some werent registeredon Urgent ****IN Fury, me included. But to me that's not the point.

The point is. Do you, the players we fought and won against, actually think we wronged you in the players we used ? Were you surprised to see some people in our roster when the game started ? At any point did you get the feeling you were not playing against WTFR ? I think i can safely say : No.

So dont pretend to be the righteous one and glorify the rules when you know you wouldnt give a **** in different circumstances. Just admit you just cant stand the loss and wanna use anything possible to get your precious win back. But dont act like victims of an outrageous abuse..

Conclusion, i wont deny the technical fault. CCP can cope with your whining and disqualify us directly cause in case of rematch, we wont change anything if we dont have all the registered players available. We'll use other members of the corp. That's it.

You can hide all you want behind rules, all i see are sad losers.

And to answer specifically to someone who said "lol sad day when one of the corps i held in high regard tries to legitimize cheatin in a tournament. Just another loldust moment ". Dude, get down your high horse cause first we dont give a crap bout what you may think of us, and second you're very quick on judging people when you could take a good look at yourself at some point.

I'm out of this ****.

Nice your a CPM and this is your attitude? No doubt if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be singing a different tune, the site was easy to register on, it's a poor excuse and my final point will be on lag, I heard on more then one occasion that you had lag on losses, be it in pc matches or this tourney, but hey ho, you only have yourselves to blame.

I dont see at all why being CPM should change anything at my opinion. This has nothing to do with what i do as CPM and wont change anything at the way i do it. Second, i dont deny the technicality. I'm just criticizing the attitude around it trying to pass us for what we arent when you have no idea neither why nor in which state of mind we used those players. At no point we ever thought we were doing anything wrong here. And at no point was it an attempt to cheat our way to a win as our top players were the ones registered.

So yeah. Whatever dude. In the end, i actually dont give a damn about this tourney nor its prizes. There are just things i just cant stand.

WTFR whipped asses and that's it.

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olssam 62 What The French CRONOS. 64	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:00:00 - [241] - Quote Delta Iddon wrote: olssam 62 wrote: And if NFP and RUST have won? Would they use a ticket? I do not think If NFP had won, RUST would have not reported that you cheated you still cheated, regardless if you lost or if you weren't even caught, you cheated blablabla blablabla seriously
Delta Iddon No Free Pass 112	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:06:00 - [242] - Quote olssam 62 wrote: Delta Iddon wrote: olssam 62 wrote: And if NFP and RUST have won? Would they use a ticket? I do not think If NFP had won, RUST would have not reported that you cheated you still cheated, regardless if you lost or if you weren't even caught, you cheated blablabla blablabla seriously Humour me, why do you think your team should be allowed to continue after breaking the rules?
Packy CS1 Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:12:00 - [243] - Quote smartlayer wrote: If the other EU team have only used registered members for all matches then only WTF will be removed from the tournament from the EU league GAC has only used registered players that were on the team during the tournament. When our best player, pazificador IRON, left our corp to join Serpahim Initiative during the league phase, we kicked him from the tournament team and didn't use him anymore, just to be on the safe side. That can be checked easily by CCP in the Urgent Fury site and looking at his employment history. We fought with less than 16 people against 501 and Techguard during the league phase. Also against Rust415, but that was because the starting time for the match was messed up. We had quite a few good players sitting on the corp chat that we didn't use because they are not registered. They would have given us and edge or helped us balance the team. If the tournament had ended at the round robin phase, everyone would have been satisfied. Now we have this mess. When CCP decides what they want to do, then we will do the same. No hard feelings to anyone, just disappointed with the whole tournament thing. I will not be participating again in one, that's for sure. EDIT: And the fact that we followed the rules, does not mean that we don't think some of them are stupid. Making people registering on UF to participate was a bad move. A lot of the no shows and low player participation owe to that. Having the corps registered and making sure that only players with at least 15 days or a month in the corp could participate would have made things easier, and more fun, for everyone.
KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 304	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:18:00 - [244] - Quote Packy CS1 wrote: smartlayer wrote: If the other EU team have only used registered members for all matches then only WTF will be removed from the tournament from the EU league GAC has only used registered players that were on the team during the tournament. When our best player, pazificador IRON, left our corp to join Serpahim Initiative during the league phase, we kicked him from the tournament team and didn't use him anymore, just to be on the safe side. That can be checked easily by CCP in the Urgent Fury site and looking at his employment history. We fought with less than 16 people against 501 and Techguard during the league phase. Also against Rust415, but that was because the starting time for the match was messed up. We had quite a few good players sitting on the corp chat that we didn't use because they are not registered. They would have given us and edge or helped us balance the team. If the tournament had ended at the round robin phase, everyone would have been satisfied. Now we have this mess. When CCP decides what they want to do, then we will do the same. No hard feelings to anyone, just disappointed with the whole tournament thing. I will not be participating again in one, that's for sure. EDIT: And the fact that we followed the rules, does not mean that we don't think some of them are stupid. Making people registering on UF to participate was a bad move. A lot of the no shows and low player participation owe to that. Having the corps registered and making sure that only players with at least a 15 days or a month in the corp could participate would have made things easier, and more fun, for everyone. Indeed, last match we had about 10 or 11 too, and i was wondering where the hell was Pazificador
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4245	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:24:00 - [245] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: To clarify one thing. Some called us cheaters. Like we intentionally decided to wrong the game. Thing is we played with..... Drums Rolling.... WTFR players. Yes some werent registeredon Urgent IN Fury, me included. But to me that's not the point. The point is. Do you, the players we fought and won against, actually think we wronged you in the players we used ? Were you surprised to see some people in our roster when the game started ? At any point did you get the feeling you were not playing against WTFR ? I think i can safely say : No. So dont pretend to be the righteous one and glorify the rules when you know you wouldnt give a ** in different circumstances. Just admit you just cant stand the loss and wanna use anything possible to get your precious win back. But dont act like victims of an outrageous abuse.. Conclusion, i wont deny the technical fault. CCP can cope with your whining and disqualify us directly cause in case of rematch, we wont change anything if we dont have all the registered players available. We'll use other members of the corp. That's it. You can hide all you want behind rules, all i see are sad losers. And to answer specifically to someone who said "lol sad day when one of the corps i held in high regard tries to legitimize cheatin in a tournament. Just another loldust moment ". Dude, get down your high horse cause first we dont give a crap bout what you may think of us, and second you're very quick on judging people when you could take a good look at yourself at some point. I'm out of this . for a smart guy that bolded part was **** u used WTFR players that were INELIGIBLE do u NOT get that? have u EVER played a tourney in any game where u had to sign up a roster? thats like France goin to the world cup with a roster and bringing ppl into the match that not even on the team but arguing its ok because they from France Better than that Caz come on. Dont pretend to be righteous and glorify the rules when we wouldnt give a in different circumstances? DUDE u know who u talking to? Go on my website there is a big ass gif on there saying we dont support cheating there were TWO occasions on this game during PC where our side had glitched teams and got 18 ppl on one side and u know what i did.....i DROPPED 2 ppl to make sure we had a FAIR 16v16 one was against SI as well DURING the CRONOS war and we LOST. I could of kept the 18 players and won but no i played Fair so dont assume ppl here would break the rules ive been playin this ** tourney with 12 sometimes 13 ppl showing up but 18-20 on corp chat but cant use the others I take pride in my corp and take pride in playing legit ppl can look at me anytime and cant ever say bad things against me in that regard. Yea im not perfect but i stay true to what i believe in PS: im glad u dont give a crap what i think i dont give a crap what other ppl think either but at least myself and my corp can look at ourselves and say we either won legit or lost with honour something ur guys lack.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1733	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:26:00 - [246] - Quote Please see this post here for the update: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1296051#post1296051 CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 12	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:31:00 - [247] - Quote I found the situation really funny. You're making us cheaters because we used WTFR members for an WTFR match ? Woaw that's the biggest cheat i ever saw You can't blame us to have ringers because they're NOT ringers. Shame on you guys because you make an Corp ONLY to make the tournament and takes people of a lot of corps to make you're 16. If you're NOT breaking the rules then it means we can bring all the best players of Cronos make them WTFR for 2 weeks destruct you with the best 16 European ever made. That's Non-sense simply. And if you want to talk about rules then i can blame you. Some NFP players ARE NOT European. In a European Tournament thats a huge fault. We could continue to complain about little rules each other OR you could sh*t the Hell up accept your defeat and try to get the rest of the Honor you have before losing it. We won against you with Loyauty and Honor. With a full WTFR player. REAL WTFR. Not some players that join the corp 2weeks ago like you NFP. When you beat us during the first match against you. (The really first of the tournament i mean). That wasn't Honor at all. You and you're Alliance attack us in PC DURING the match exactly at the same moment. First match we should finish the match in 10 minutes. Second we were not full. Third we we're attacked in 3 front in PC. So guys get your Honor and Lose with Dignity.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 518	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:36:00 - [248] - Quote Aren't you supposed to register "a team" for PLT? No a corporation? A team consist of selected members of WTFR corporation. Not all of them
olssam 62 What The French CRONOS. 65	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:36:00 - [249] - Quote ok good a gift for the end http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bak-Az_rFJc good luck guys
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 698	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:37:00 - [250] - Quote 1) Being in the EU team is about when you can play game, not about your physical location. 2) Play to the rules that exist, not the rules you wish existed 3) An an alliance 'super-team' we actually had the massive disadvantage of never having played with each other before. In fact, I'd only join SyN a day previously and the first tournament battles were actually the first ones I've ever played with EoN people.

Krasymptimo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 77	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:38:00 - [251] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: I found the situation really funny. You're making us cheaters because we used WTFR members for an WTFR match ? Woaw that's the biggest cheat i ever saw You can't blame us to have ringers because they're NOT ringers. Shame on you guys because you make an Corp ONLY to make the tournament and takes people of a lot of corps to make you're 16. If you're NOT breaking the rules then it means we can bring all the best players of Cronos make them WTFR for 2 weeks destruct you with the best 16 European ever made. That's Non-sense simply. And if you want to talk about rules then i can blame you. Some NFP players ARE NOT European. In a European Tournament thats a huge fault. We could continue to complain about little rules each other OR you could sh*t the Hell up accept your defeat and try to get the rest of the Honor you have before losing it. We won against you with Loyauty and Honor. With a full WTFR player. REAL WTFR. Not some players that join the corp 2weeks ago like you NFP. When you beat us during the first match against you. (The really first of the tournament i mean). That wasn't Honor at all. You and you're Alliance attack us in PC DURING the match exactly at the same moment. First match we should finish the match in 10 minutes. Second we were not full. Third we we're attacked in 3 front in PC. So guys get your Honor and Lose with Dignity. Did you register all the WTF players that played in the tourney with UF as stated in the rules that were set out well in advance? If not, they're ringers. You broke the rules and you got what was coming to you. No free pass for you.
KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 304	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:46:00 - [252] - Quote Have just found out we were disqualified for using non registered players (in a match where we used about 10 guys), altough i am fairly certain we always used registered players, could i have the name of the player or players we used who wasnt registered? Thank you
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4245	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:48:00 - [253] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: I found the situation really funny. You're making us cheaters because we used WTFR members for an WTFR match ? Woaw that's the biggest cheat i ever saw You can't blame us to have ringers because they're NOT ringers. Shame on you guys because you make an Corp ONLY to make the tournament and takes people of a lot of corps to make you're 16. If you're NOT breaking the rules then it means we can bring all the best players of Cronos make them WTFR for 2 weeks destruct you with the best 16 European ever made. That's Non-sense simply. And if you want to talk about rules then i can blame you. Some NFP players ARE NOT European. In a European Tournament thats a huge fault. We could continue to complain about little rules each other OR you could sht the Hell up accept your defeat and try to get the rest of the Honor you have before losing it. We won against you with Loyauty and Honor. With a full WTFR player. REAL WTFR. Not some players that join the corp 2weeks ago like you NFP. When you beat us during the first match against you. (The really first of the tournament i mean). That wasn't Honor at all. You and you're Alliance attack us in PC DURING the match exactly at the same moment. First match we should finish the match in 10 minutes. Second we were not full. Third we we're attacked in 3 front in PC. So guys get your Honor and Lose with Dignity. Teams are formed for tournies u clearly havent played in 1 if u think ppl cant form a team specifically for a tourney umm ppl attack us as well during tourney time u know what we do? change our timers so it doesnt overlap with tourney times. If u dont do that then face the risk of possibly having to face overlaps and who attacked u during that 1st match? cuz it wasnt us and unless u name names i doubt anyone did. Was being Euro listed as part of the rules? u guys clearly dont do tournies at all. NA an EU are simply meant for TZ convenience NOT nationality. Its divided like that so it favours ppl on specific TZs u wanna know why ppl dont make it based on nationality? thats because its fuckin ******* having to get pics of everyones ID to see if they are in an EU country Fact is "EU and NA" brackets arent nationality based because if u look at multiple esports tournies u would see EU and NA teams frequenting events held by each other. Try again.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1736	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:50:00 - [254] - Quote KatanaPT wrote: Have just found out we were disqualified for using non registered players (in a match where we used about 10 guys), altough i am fairly certain we always used registered players, could i have the name of the player or players we used who wasnt registered? Thank you If you submit a ticket we can give you this information. Please file it under DUST 514 Community & Forums. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:52:00 - [255] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: KatanaPT wrote: Have just found out we were disqualified for using non registered players (in a match where we used about 10 guys), altough i am fairly certain we always used registered players, could i have the name of the player or players we used who wasnt registered? Thank you If you submit a ticket we can give you this information. Please file it under DUST 514 Community & Forums. Thank you!

GM Grave Game Masters C C P Alliance 337	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:55:00 - [256] - Quote KatanaPT wrote: Have just found out we were disqualified for using non registered players (in a match where we used about 10 guys), altough i am fairly certain we always used registered players, could i have the name of the player or players we used who wasnt registered? Thank you Team leaders who wish to receive further information can file a support ticket titled for my attention where we can discuss this matter further. [ Lead GM Grave \| Project Lead \| CCP Customer Relations \| EVE Online \| DUST 514 ]

JW v Weingarten SyNergy Gaming EoN. 628	Posted - 2013.09.13 11:57:00 - [257] - Quote RUST 415, I am thinking to have our match at the regular time 20:30 eve time. Grupo, if we win from RUST 415. i am suggesting to have 4 matches on Wednesday and if necessary have the remaining 3 matches on Friday. Sorry for the inconvenience but now that things are set straight, Lets end this tournament!!!! Good luck to RUST 415 and Grupo!! p.s AU REVOIR What the French !!! http://i.imgur.com/i8wpTzt.gif
olssam 62 What The French CRONOS. 66	Posted - 2013.09.13 12:03:00 - [258] - Quote A ce soir NFP... euh ...RS euh.... syn euh ...eon JW you're income no free pass today ? that new
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1057	Posted - 2013.09.13 12:09:00 - [259] - Quote French tears best tears
Heavy Breaks Red Star. EoN. 256	Posted - 2013.09.13 12:48:00 - [260] - Quote voulez-vous une partie de brie pour aller avec tout ce vin? Sorry couldn't help myself.

Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 13	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:39:00 - [261] - Quote You want to speak on word then ok ill' speak words by words. Without us you don't even have the corps needed to make a tournament. Only 2 corps have 16 players registred AND with High level. Gac and NFP. So this tournament is not a tournament because there is only 2 team. The others didn't even played the quarters because the team was no show. (You don't have corps to play tournament so Ghost corps play.) So there's 2 Corps for a tournament huh ? The others are like us OR are stomped by the others. 2 Corps is not a tournament. No tournament.No rewards. CCP thats simple. Gave them what they want and you prove that your game is dead. Because next tournament you'll make it alone. Give NFP all the ISK 546514535143514Millions of free tanks or anything else we don't give a f*ck. They don't even know why they are complaining. Oh yes i know why. They Loss against us that's all. I already heard you saying something like : "You won because of your ringerzz lololol" Nope we won because we play. You you are tryng to win a tournament without even playing the game with support ticket and complain. Oh what's coming it is NFP ? No it's RS oh no it's SyN on no finally they are just some Faggots and angry kids who don't want to lose. You're like 5 years old kids who is complaining at soccer "Deaaaad time i was saying dead time this goal don't count :cry:"
Delta Iddon No Free Pass 112	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:46:00 - [262] - Quote You missed the part out where you broke the rules and admitted to it
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 700	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:46:00 - [263] - Quote ^^clearly u mad. Mate, you are letting WTFR down with your rage. We wanted to play you (and to win or lose to you) by bringing our best game. Both sides found the rules restrictive in this regard - but only one side kept to the rules. I'm sorry that's it's come to this but you knew id advance what you were doing. Deal with it.
RevoItZ No Free Pass 259	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:53:00 - [264] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: You want to speak on word then ok ill' speak words by words. Without us you don't even have the corps needed to make a tournament. Only 2 corps have 16 players registred AND with High level. Gac and NFP. So this tournament is not a tournament because there is only 2 team. The others didn't even played the quarters because the team was no show. (You don't have corps to play tournament so Ghost corps play.) So there's 2 Corps for a tournament huh ? The others are like us OR are stomped by the others. 2 Corps is not a tournament. No tournament.No rewards. CCP thats simple. Gave them what they want and you prove that your game is dead. Because next tournament you'll make it alone. Give NFP all the ISK 546514535143514Millions of free tanks or anything else we don't give a f*ck. They don't even know why they are complaining. Oh yes i know why. They Loss against us that's all. I already heard you saying something like : "You won because of your ringerzz lololol" Nope we won because we play. You you are tryng to win a tournament without even playing the game with support ticket and complain. Oh what's coming it is NFP ? No it's RS oh no it's SyN on no finally they are just some Faggots and angry kids who don't want to lose. You're like 5 years old kids who is complaining at soccer "Deaaaad time i was saying dead time this goal don't count :cry:" You obviously didn't have enough registered players on for Mondays match, so you used ringers, which is against the rules. Dunno if you noticed how close the games were, even with NFP being 1-2 people down. First game you won, you had 8 clones left and the 3rd game you won, you guys had 13 clones left,. If you didn't have those ringers I'm guessing you would have had 13-15 on and I'm pretty sure we would have won if that was the case. Please no more QQ about NFP being RS/SYN, at the end of the day us EUROS wanted to enter the tournament....... so we made our own corp and entered, it has nothing to do with us being apart of RS/SYN. You messed it up for yourselves, get over it.
Traky78 What The French CRONOS. 298	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:57:00 - [265] - Quote I ask all What The French to stop posting in this thread. We broke the rules, we are assuming the consequence.
JW v Weingarten No Free Pass 632	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:01:00 - [266] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: You want to speak on word then ok ill' speak words by words. Without us you don't even have the corps needed to make a tournament. Only 2 corps have 16 players registred AND with High level. Gac and NFP. So this tournament is not a tournament because there is only 2 team. The others didn't even played the quarters because the team was no show. (You don't have corps to play tournament so Ghost corps play.) So there's 2 Corps for a tournament huh ? The others are like us OR are stomped by the others. 2 Corps is not a tournament. No tournament.No rewards. CCP thats simple. Gave them what they want and you prove that your game is dead. Because next tournament you'll make it alone. Give NFP all the ISK 546514535143514Millions of free tanks or anything else we don't give a f*ck. They don't even know why they are complaining. Oh yes i know why. They Loss against us that's all. I already heard you saying something like : "You won because of your ringerzz lololol" Nope we won because we play. You you are tryng to win a tournament without even playing the game with support ticket and complain. Oh what's coming it is NFP ? No it's RS oh no it's SyN on no finally they are just some Faggots and angry kids who don't want to lose. You're like 5 years old kids who is complaining at soccer "Deaaaad time i was saying dead time this goal don't count :cry:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1632	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:23:00 - [267] - Quote This makes me hungry for some pastries.
Grezkev Red Star. EoN. 343	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:26:00 - [268] - Quote lmao. ::munches on a Baguette::
Zhar Ptitsaa Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 170	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:34:00 - [269] - Quote Traky78 wrote: I ask all What The French to stop posting in this thread. We broke the rules, we are assuming the consequence. I appreciate this, people imo are taking this too far on both sides. Anyway to me personally, we had a fun game. Both sides showed different strengths and weaknesses and both sides also played on them. This tournament has been bad from day one, although logibro has done some great work on trying to improve it, and i had some really fun battles (Gac, WTFR, if i remember correctly la 501 put up a good fight to) it was never going to get any better.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 78	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:49:00 - [270] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Ascifi Ogrop wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Okay my turn now. I'm so amazed by the self righteous reaction i see both here and on twitter... Oh the rules, THE RULES. Incredible how we hear about them only when some loses. To clarify one thing. Some called us cheaters. Like we intentionally decided to wrong the game. Thing is we played with..... Drums Rolling.... WTFR players. Yes some werent registeredon Urgent **IN Fury, me included. But to me that's not the point. The point is. Do you, the players we fought and won against, actually think we wronged you in the players we used ? Were you surprised to see some people in our roster when the game started ? At any point did you get the feeling you were not playing against WTFR ? I think i can safely say : No. So dont pretend to be the righteous one and glorify the rules when you know you wouldnt give a in different circumstances. Just admit you just cant stand the loss and wanna use anything possible to get your precious win back. But dont act like victims of an outrageous abuse.. Conclusion, i wont deny the technical fault. CCP can cope with your whining and disqualify us directly cause in case of rematch, we wont change anything if we dont have all the registered players available. We'll use other members of the corp. That's it. You can hide all you want behind rules, all i see are sad losers. And to answer specifically to someone who said "lol sad day when one of the corps i held in high regard tries to legitimize cheatin in a tournament. Just another loldust moment ". Dude, get down your high horse cause first we dont give a crap bout what you may think of us, and second you're very quick on judging people when you could take a good look at yourself at some point. I'm out of this **. Nice your a CPM and this is your attitude? No doubt if the shoe was on the other foot, you would be singing a different tune, the site was easy to register on, it's a poor excuse and my final point will be on lag, I heard on more then one occasion that you had lag on losses, be it in pc matches or this tourney, but hey ho, you only have yourselves to blame. I dont see at all why being CPM should change anything at my opinion. This has nothing to do with what i do as CPM and wont change anything at the way i do it. Second, i dont deny the technicality. I'm just criticizing the attitude around it trying to pass us for what we arent when you have no idea neither why nor in which state of mind we used those players. At no point we ever thought we were doing anything wrong here. And at no point was it an attempt to cheat our way to a win as our top players were the ones registered. So yeah. Whatever dude. In the end, i actually dont give a damn about this tourney nor its prizes. There are just things i just cant stand. WTFR whipped asses and that's it. I don't agree with the point but I would like to point out the 'rules' did change mid sign up process without good communication to participants. Although the rules should be followed the fact they changed messed over a number of us. Hopefully next time their are clear and simple rules at the outset with ALL corp members allowed to participate, if not we will not be involved.



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